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Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2012, 03:04:32 PM »

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This is fantastic news. I'm a big Wilcox fan, and I think he's a great big-man complement to Rondo.
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Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2012, 03:05:34 PM »

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Hopefully so -- if Wilcox is healthy and ready, he can take that starting spot off of Bass and put Bass back on the bench where he belongs.

Is this because you think Wilcox is the superior player or do you just think Wilcox fits better in the starting line up? Theres no way Wilcox is better than Bass.

I don't like Bass as a starter. Too weak a defender/rebounder. Non-passer.

Wilcox will give a lot more on the boards + about the same defensively + his offensive game is more reliant on Rondo and the the rest of the starters than Bass' is ... so he'll benefit more from that lineup than Bass will. 

Bass gets to go back to the role he is best suited for (backup PF) while Wilcox takes over as a part-time (16-20mpg) starter. More of a net-positive for the team.

If ... Wilcox is healthy and ready to play at a level comparable to what he was before.

While I agree that Bass is somewhat overrated (due to the fact that most of his offense is generated by other people getting him wide open shots), I don't think that Wilcox is better than him, particularly not last year.  

Even if we disagree on that, Wilcox is a better fit coming off the bench, as right now he's the only other guy who can play center on the team besides Fab Melo.  Thus, if we start him, we get stuck bringing in Sully/JJJ and Bass off the bench to give us a truly short front line with absolutely no shotblocking.  
Have to agree with Who on this.  Wilcox starting allows Bass to go back to where he functioned best -- off the bench. 

Wilcox doesn't have to play big minutes to be a help to this team.  Also, I'm anticipating that if (and it's a big IF), the C's pull off a deal for JET and have the MLE freed up, I think they may use it on a big man as opposed to another SG like Mayo or Lee.  (maybe Steimsma)  This would make sure Melo stays on the bench.

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2012, 03:07:31 PM »

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Wilcox was a warrior for us. Much more intense than I had expected, and great on the break with Rondo. I really like him coming back.

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2012, 03:09:56 PM »

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Good move. I honestly feel like this could be it for our bigs. I mean looking at it.

Bass/Sully/JJJ
KG/Wilcox/Steamer

Now of course barring a trade of JJJ or Steamer going to minny. But thats fine with me. Also Green can play some of the 4. I like our team. I hope we can sign and trade for terry then Sign Lee or Mayo outright and thats and call it an off-season, and have it look something like this.

Rondo/Terry/Bradley
Bradley/Lee or Mayo/Terry
Pierce/Green/Joseph
Bass/Sully
KG/Wilcox/Steamer

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2012, 03:11:51 PM »

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Hopefully so -- if Wilcox is healthy and ready, he can take that starting spot off of Bass and put Bass back on the bench where he belongs.

Is this because you think Wilcox is the superior player or do you just think Wilcox fits better in the starting line up? Theres no way Wilcox is better than Bass.

I don't like Bass as a starter. Too weak a defender/rebounder. Non-passer.

Wilcox will give a lot more on the boards + about the same defensively + his offensive game is more reliant on Rondo and the the rest of the starters than Bass' is ... so he'll benefit more from that lineup than Bass will. 

Bass gets to go back to the role he is best suited for (backup PF) while Wilcox takes over as a part-time (16-20mpg) starter. More of a net-positive for the team.

If ... Wilcox is healthy and ready to play at a level comparable to what he was before.

While I agree that Bass is somewhat overrated (due to the fact that most of his offense is generated by other people getting him wide open shots), I don't think that Wilcox is better than him, particularly not last year. 

Even if we disagree on that, Wilcox is a better fit coming off the bench, as right now he's the only other guy who can play center on the team besides Fab Melo.  Thus, if we start him, we get stuck bringing in Sully/JJJ and Bass off the bench to give us a truly short front line with absolutely no shotblocking. 



Wilcox cannot play the center position. He has been a train-wreck there his entire career.

Wilcox is, however, an effective option at power forward.

Regardless of whether you're right or wrong, it isn't happening.  

They didn't just sign Brandon Bass to a 6 million dollar per year deal to bring him off the bench.  Even if they did, there's really no room at the 4 spot for Wilcox.  Bass is going to get 25 mpg there.  Green (especially when Bradley comes back) is going to get minutes there (there's simply not enough minutes for him at the 3 to only play there).  Those two alone are going to eat up at least 35 mpg (and I think that's being conservative).  And that's not even counting giving Sullinger or JJJ minutes.  

They need to find ways to make sure that Sullinger and Bass aren't on the court together.  Sullinger can play the "5," but not next to another undersized 4 like Bass.  

And who exactly is going to play the 5 behind KG?

We have no other centers on the roster but Fab Melo and there aren't a lot of other options out there.  

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2012, 03:14:55 PM »

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Mark Murphy just tweeted that Wilcox was cleared for contact last week.
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Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2012, 03:17:23 PM »

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Doc and Danny probably think they saw enough of Sean Williams this week and that Melo isn't going to be ready for prime time.

I think Wilcox is a great vet minimum signing and they still need another legit center, whether it's Stiemer or someone else.

But if they can swing a S&T for Terry they've got both the MLE and the BAE to land an additional guard and an additional center.

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2012, 03:17:47 PM »

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Hopefully so -- if Wilcox is healthy and ready, he can take that starting spot off of Bass and put Bass back on the bench where he belongs.

Is this because you think Wilcox is the superior player or do you just think Wilcox fits better in the starting line up? Theres no way Wilcox is better than Bass.

I don't like Bass as a starter. Too weak a defender/rebounder. Non-passer.

Wilcox will give a lot more on the boards + about the same defensively + his offensive game is more reliant on Rondo and the the rest of the starters than Bass' is ... so he'll benefit more from that lineup than Bass will. 

Bass gets to go back to the role he is best suited for (backup PF) while Wilcox takes over as a part-time (16-20mpg) starter. More of a net-positive for the team.

If ... Wilcox is healthy and ready to play at a level comparable to what he was before.

While I agree that Bass is somewhat overrated (due to the fact that most of his offense is generated by other people getting him wide open shots), I don't think that Wilcox is better than him, particularly not last year.  

Even if we disagree on that, Wilcox is a better fit coming off the bench, as right now he's the only other guy who can play center on the team besides Fab Melo.  Thus, if we start him, we get stuck bringing in Sully/JJJ and Bass off the bench to give us a truly short front line with absolutely no shotblocking.  
Have to agree with Who on this.  Wilcox starting allows Bass to go back to where he functioned best -- off the bench. 

Wilcox doesn't have to play big minutes to be a help to this team.  Also, I'm anticipating that if (and it's a big IF), the C's pull off a deal for JET and have the MLE freed up, I think they may use it on a big man as opposed to another SG like Mayo or Lee.  (maybe Steimsma)  This would make sure Melo stays on the bench.

Bro, I like Stiemsma but he's not worth the MLE. Calm down with that.

If we can S+T for JET, we probably use that MLE on Mayo or Lee, as it should be. I dunno if we have the Birds Right on Stiemsma or what, but if he's looking for MLE money, as far as I'm concerned then maybe he and the Celtics have to go their separate ways. If it means we eventually give Melo minutes this season (even if it's mid-season), I'm cool with that. I'm not sure why you're already down on Melo before pre-season, but I'd rather risk having to give him minutes than waste the MLE on Stiems.

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2012, 03:18:31 PM »

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Hopefully so -- if Wilcox is healthy and ready, he can take that starting spot off of Bass and put Bass back on the bench where he belongs.

Is this because you think Wilcox is the superior player or do you just think Wilcox fits better in the starting line up? Theres no way Wilcox is better than Bass.

I don't like Bass as a starter. Too weak a defender/rebounder. Non-passer.

Wilcox will give a lot more on the boards + about the same defensively + his offensive game is more reliant on Rondo and the the rest of the starters than Bass' is ... so he'll benefit more from that lineup than Bass will. 

Bass gets to go back to the role he is best suited for (backup PF) while Wilcox takes over as a part-time (16-20mpg) starter. More of a net-positive for the team.

If ... Wilcox is healthy and ready to play at a level comparable to what he was before.

While I agree that Bass is somewhat overrated (due to the fact that most of his offense is generated by other people getting him wide open shots), I don't think that Wilcox is better than him, particularly not last year. 

Even if we disagree on that, Wilcox is a better fit coming off the bench, as right now he's the only other guy who can play center on the team besides Fab Melo.  Thus, if we start him, we get stuck bringing in Sully/JJJ and Bass off the bench to give us a truly short front line with absolutely no shotblocking. 



Wilcox cannot play the center position. He has been a train-wreck there his entire career.

Wilcox is, however, an effective option at power forward.

Regardless of whether you're right or wrong, it isn't happening. 

They didn't just sign Brandon Bass to a 6 million dollar per year deal to bring him off the bench.  Even if they did, there's really no room at the 4 spot for Wilcox.  Bass is going to get 25 mpg there.  Green (especially when Bradley comes back) is going to get minutes there (there's simply not enough minutes for him at the 3 to only play there).  Those two alone are going to eat up at least 35 mpg (and I think that's being conservative).  And that's not even counting giving Sullinger or JJJ minutes. 

They need to find ways to make sure that Sullinger and Bass aren't on the court together.  Sullinger can play the "5," but not next to another undersized 4 like Bass. 

And who exactly is going to play the 5 behind KG?

We have no other centers on the roster but Fab Melo and there aren't a lot of other options out there. 

There is nobody. Stiemsma staying is the best option.

After that, is undersized PFs masquerading as a center ... but Wilcox is no better at filling that role than Bass or Sullinger are. None of them are any more equipped to handle the role than the other.

Hence, I wouldn't keep Wilcox on the bench for that role if he can give greater balance to the team elsewhere (as a part time starter at PF).

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The backup center position is a real problem. I don't know why it hasn't been getting more attention.

I don't understand why everyone is so focused on adding a new backup SG (Courtney Lee) when the five spot is so weak behind Garnett.

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2012, 03:19:04 PM »

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You can split the MLE among several players, so when we say use it to resign Greg that doesn't mean he's getting 5 million dollars a year.

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2012, 03:19:59 PM »

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You don't have to use the whole MLE on one person.

You could, for instance, split it between Pietrus and Stiemsma.
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Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2012, 03:22:36 PM »

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As to Wilcox's best position, he's much better at the 4 than the 5, as Who maintains.

http://www.82games.com/1112/11BOS12.HTM

However, I would not be surprised if Ainge still intends to use Wilcox as a backup center.
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Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2012, 03:22:49 PM »

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Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2012, 03:26:00 PM »

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Cox played just fine as the C last season before he had the problem with his heart. People keep forgetting that today's NBA has like a handful of C as is and only 2 of those are even elite (DH and Bynum). If he plays like he did when he got comfortable and a rhythm, he will be the backup center. If we get the Mid back, no way on God's green Earth will it be used for Stiems... (to me) Stiems isn't worth more than the 1m we offered him and I really like him! That money will go to Lee (most likely b/c he wants to be here and 5m is probably closer to what he would want/get) or Mayo if he wants it... or someone like a Scola or Haywood. Can the MLE be used on multiple people?
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Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2012, 03:26:35 PM »

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Celtics source just confirmed that Chris Wilcox has agreed to new deal. He was cleared for contact last week.