Jeff Green vs Rudy Gay

[mctyson]

Is anyone around here going to give Green the opportunity to perform before routinely chastising his contract?

These same people have yet to offer one alternative scenario that would have netted us a comparable SF.  So their chastising is falling on my deaf ears.

[KCattheStripe]

Right now Rudy Gay can score better. And that's all Gay can do.

Wrong. He's probably the third best defensive SF behind LeBron and Deng.

Not a chance he's better than Igoudala at D.  Igoudala is better then Deng too I'd wager.

Iguodala is better, though is often considered a 2.

Still, Rudy Gay over Jeff Green a hundred times out of a hundred.

My bad, I knew I was forgetting someone. Of course Iggy is better.

[Snakehead]

Right now Rudy Gay can score better. And that's all Gay can do.

Wrong. He's probably the third best defensive SF behind LeBron and Deng.

Not a chance he's better than Igoudala at D.  Igoudala is better then Deng too I'd wager.

Iguodala is better, though is often considered a 2.

Still, Rudy Gay over Jeff Green a hundred times out of a hundred.

Igoudala guards Pierce and shuts him down.  He's a 3 who can play 2 to me because he's that athletic.

Regardless, yes Gay over Green, but you don't just find a Rudy Gay type hanging around in free agency or trade Perk for him.  Not like they are making the same money.

[StartOrien]

Is anyone around here going to give Green the opportunity to perform before routinely chastising his contract?

These same people have yet to offer one alternative scenario that would have netted us a comparable SF.  So their chastising is falling on my deaf ears.

I think in a lot of cases - and I know this is true for me - its not that we could landed a better or comprable SF, but ti's concern how much this limits us down the road if this doesn't pan out.

[Fan from VT]

Is anyone around here going to give Green the opportunity to perform before routinely chastising his contract?

These same people have yet to offer one alternative scenario that would have netted us a comparable SF.  So their chastising is falling on my deaf ears.

Well Green's major skill is providing average production, but for a lot of minutes per game. So rather than green for 9 million per year, just take any 2 of Vlad Rad, TMac, Josh Howard, Anthony Randolph, CJ Miles, Gerald Green, Anthony Randolph for about 3-4 million per year and give them each 18 mpg.



Also, it's just about Green or No Green. Against whom were we bidding? Remember, this is a NEW CBA. So before, every team in the market for an SF could offer 5 yrs 35 million, so the C's would have to match that. Now, teams over the Tax can only offer, what, 3 yrs 9-10 million total. Easy to beat. Then, even teams under the tax but over the cap (i.e. most nba teams) can only offer 4 years 20-22 million total. So a 4 year 25 million dollar deal is already much better.

As far as I can tell, there were very very few teams that were under the cap enough to off green a better-than-new-MLE deal. Indiana already has West and Granger at Green's position, Phoenix and Sac are cheap, Charlotte is dysfunctional and has money in Ty Thomas and several other wing tweeners, and Portland already has Batum that they are trying to keep, a better player at the same position.

So why'd the price get so high? It was WAY overboard to outcompete opposing MLEs.

[Goldstar88]

Rudy Gay is a game changer, an all-star. Jeff Green is not.

When did he make the all-star team? I do not recall.

[KCattheStripe]

Is anyone around here going to give Green the opportunity to perform before routinely chastising his contract?

These same people have yet to offer one alternative scenario that would have netted us a comparable SF.  So their chastising is falling on my deaf ears.

I think in a lot of cases - and I know this is true for me - its not that we could landed a better or comprable SF, but ti's concern how much this limits us down the road if this doesn't pan out.

I don't think it limits us for the end of the Pierce/Garnett tenure, and  think it's a tradeable at worst/ bargain at best in the subsequent years.

[thenotoriousjts]

We're comparing an all-star to a bench player here. I think we all know who the all star is.

[the_Bird]

Is anyone around here going to give Green the opportunity to perform before routinely chastising his contract?

These same people have yet to offer one alternative scenario that would have netted us a comparable SF.  So their chastising is falling on my deaf ears.

Well Green's major skill is providing average production, but for a lot of minutes per game. So rather than green for 9 million per year, just take any 2 of Vlad Rad, TMac, Josh Howard, Anthony Randolph, CJ Miles, Gerald Green, Anthony Randolph for about 3-4 million per year and give them each 18 mpg.



Also, it's just about Green or No Green. Against whom were we bidding? Remember, this is a NEW CBA. So before, every team in the market for an SF could offer 5 yrs 35 million, so the C's would have to match that. Now, teams over the Tax can only offer, what, 3 yrs 9-10 million total. Easy to beat. Then, even teams under the tax but over the cap (i.e. most nba teams) can only offer 4 years 20-22 million total. So a 4 year 25 million dollar deal is already much better.

As far as I can tell, there were very very few teams that were under the cap enough to off green a better-than-new-MLE deal. Indiana already has West and Granger at Green's position, Phoenix and Sac are cheap, Charlotte is dysfunctional and has money in Ty Thomas and several other wing tweeners, and Portland already has Batum that they are trying to keep, a better player at the same position.

So why'd the price get so high? It was WAY overboard to outcompete opposing MLEs.

The problem is (as I see it), the C's didn't have any other real options, once they made the decision to spend the MLE on Jason Terry.  There weren't many other teams in a position to give Green the kind of money we did, but there also weren't a lot of other decent small forwards that we had the means to acquire (short of arranging a sign-and-trade, which is much more complicated and requires that we lose some other assets).

We *needed* a guy who could back up Pierce and give depth at the PF spot...  and Green was really the only option that was available to us.  If Danny told Green and his agent "Sorry, the price is too high," you're looking at guys like Rashard Lewis who are likely going to be available at the vet minimum.  Danny wasn't in a particularly strong bargaining position.

Which is why I wish, in the last CBA, they went to a simple system; hard cap, max salaries of 25% of the cap, but other than that no "Bird rights," no "early Bird right," no "MLE," no other junk; let all teams have equal access to all free agents, as long as their total spending doesn't exceed the cap.