Ray is gone (wanted 3 year 27 million)

[chenaren]

I don't understand the "no intention of coming back" angle.

Ray considered coming back for the $12 million Danny offered.

If he didn't, he would have just informed the C's he wasn't interested in re-signing and moved on from the beginning. He was both (1) clearly shopping around to see what else is out there (2) considering Boston's offer -- which was a competitive offer.  

There was a clear interest in coming back. There was some issues too (the trade stuff, a dwindling role in the team, whether he was valued enough by management).

In the end, Danny didn't make him feel valued enough so Ray looked elsewhere and found a better basketball situation (not a better financial situation) for himself.

If Danny had of done a better job of making Ray feel wanted and offered him a bigger deal, maybe Ray would still be here.

Who knows if Danny had done a good job? I don't want to blame Danny on this one. Maybe Ray just loves Miami.

[StartOrien]

Ray's decision to move got me to write a post on a blog I haven't updated in a year, and probably won't ever again. Let me know what you guys think -

http://planetfun.wordpress.com/2012/07/09/the-narrative-of-ray-allen-to-the-heat/

[BballTim]

I don't understand the "no intention of coming back" angle.

  If Bass had negotiated his 3/$20M deal with the Celts but also told the Cavs he's sign with them for 3/$40M would you say he had serious interest in playing in Cleveland?

[winsomme]

so Ray wanted 3yrs 27mil and took 3yrs 9mil...uh, okay.

He clearly was not happy here for all the mentioned reasons. I personally think it's lame and I am a huge Ray Allen fan.

I just hope we can pick up CLee because we are close to being able to knock off the Heat next year.

side note - very pleased with how Sullinger looks. Seems like he could step right in and play.

[kozlodoev]

so Ray wanted 3yrs 27mil and took 3yrs 9mil...uh, okay.

Well, the 9 million in FL are tax-free, for what it's worth.

[TripleOT]

so Ray wanted 3yrs 27mil and took 3yrs 9mil...uh, okay.

Well, the 9 million in FL are tax-free, for what it's worth.

The state income tax in MA is 5%, and NBA players are taxed for away games in the state in which they're played.  If Ray was getting $9m in MA instead of FL, he'd pay around $225k more in state income tax in MA. Not a huge factor in this contract.   

[Finkelskyhook]

I don't understand the "no intention of coming back" angle.

Ray considered coming back for the $12 million Danny offered.

If he didn't, he would have just informed the C's he wasn't interested in re-signing and moved on from the beginning. He was both (1) clearly shopping around to see what else is out there (2) considering Boston's offer -- which was a competitive offer.  

There was a clear interest in coming back. There was some issues too (the trade stuff, a dwindling role in the team, whether he was valued enough by management).

In the end, Danny didn't make him feel valued enough so Ray looked elsewhere and found a better basketball situation (not a better financial situation) for himself.

If Danny had of done a better job of making Ray feel wanted and offered him a bigger deal, maybe Ray would still be here.

Who knows if Danny had done a good job? I don't want to blame Danny on this one. Maybe Ray just loves Miami.

Or maybe Ray is just a jerk.  Either way....Let him try to fit in with the two biggest narcissists in basketball.

[alley oop]

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2012/07/doc_rivers_disa.html

Rivers hinted that perhaps the Celtics' courting of Kevin Garnett to return may have irritated Allen, who may not have felt like a priority.

"I thought we did that," Rivers said. "Danny (Ainge) in particular did exactly what he should have done. Kevin Garnett was our focal point and he should have been. If that got anyone ruffled then that's probably too bad. We did everything that we're supposed to do.

"He had his reasons. I think emotionally he probably got bent sideways a little bit by us courting Kevin for some reason...

This is amazing.

[Bombastic Jones]

so Ray wanted 3yrs 27mil and took 3yrs 9mil...uh, okay.

Well, the 9 million in FL are tax-free, for what it's worth.

If MA state income tax is 5.3% we are talking about $318,000 a year.  So, the Celtics offer is still $2,682,000 better in the first two years.

Ray must have really wanted out to leave that much money on the table.  Especially when a few months ago he was saying this might be his last contract and he owed it to his family to be selfish.

[TripleOT]

so Ray wanted 3yrs 27mil and took 3yrs 9mil...uh, okay.

Well, the 9 million in FL are tax-free, for what it's worth.

If MA state income tax is 5.3% we are talking about $318,000 a year.  So, the Celtics offer is still $2,682,000 better in the first two years.

Ray must have really wanted out to leave that much money on the table.  Especially when a few months ago he was saying this might be his last contract and he owed it to his family to be selfish.

The state income tax is for the home games.  Half of the $6m that the Cs were offering x.053+ $159,000 in MA state income tax.  The player would also file state income tax in whichever states he played in that has an income tax. 

The state income tax isn't a big factor in this deal.  if a max guy was debating signing a $100m deal, then the difference of $2.5m in state income tax over the life of the deal might be a factor. 

[OsirusCeltics]

For the way Ray has been playing this past year and his obvious decline, Celtics paying him 3 years 27 mill would have been way too much money to spend IMO

[cman88]

the 3years/27million$ was basically an "F u guys" from ray...he knew that was not a number that the Celtics would accept.

Wyc pretty much said on felger/mazz that they couldnt afford that and bring in Bass/Green/Terry

he also alluded that Ray Allen wasnt returning his calls which lead the C's to pursue terry

[The Walker Wiggle]

Or maybe Ray is just a jerk.  Either way....Let him try to fit in with the two biggest narcissists in basketball.

I've honestly been surprised by the level of outrage. I suppose how easily everyone is offended is just a sign of the times. Had Ray forced his way out of town while cashing Boston's pay checks, a la Melo or Howard, that wold be one thing. Instead he gutted it out in the playoffs and produced, and over his five year tenure conceded more shots, minutes, and money than either Garnett or Pierce for less recognition. Oh and helped us win a championship.

For the way Ray has been playing this past year and his obvious decline, Celtics paying him 3 years 27 mill would have been way too much money to spend IMO

Definitely do not compare Allen's scoring and efficiency to Jeff Green's then. It will keep you up at night.

[OsirusCeltics]

TP, exactly. Really makes no sense
But at the same time Danny is smart to not overpay a player on the decline

[OsirusCeltics]

Or maybe Ray is just a jerk.  Either way....Let him try to fit in with the two biggest narcissists in basketball.

I've honestly been surprised by the level of outrage. I suppose how easily everyone is offended is just a sign of the times. Had Ray forced his way out of town while cashing Boston's pay checks, a la Melo or Howard, that wold be one thing. Instead he gutted it out in the playoffs and produced, and over his five year tenure conceded more shots, minutes, and money than either Garnett or Pierce for less recognition. Oh and helped us win a championship.

For the way Ray has been playing this past year and his obvious decline, Celtics paying him 3 years 27 mill would have been way too much money to spend IMO

Definitely do not compare Allen's scoring and efficiency to Jeff Green's then. It will keep you up at night.

My point is that he's on the decline. Ray has the skills on a role player now. And to overpay for a person who can't create a shot on his own at this stage of his career with abysmal defense he possesses, I'm glad Danny made the right decision