Rockets offer Lin 4 year 30 million contract

[BballTim]

So, Celtics fans...  Anybody saddened that Danny didn't use our wonderful cap space this off-season?  Instead of KG and the rest of the gang coming back, we could be paying Omar Asik and Jeremy Lin a combined $16 million per season.

  Haha.

  I'd still like to see a reporter ask Stern and some of the hard line owners exactly what they accomplished with the lockout in terms of keeping player movement and salaries in line.

That's a naive and simple way of looking at things.

The intent of the lockout was to shift more money in the owners pockets and less in the players pockets.

Basketball related income used to be 57% players, 43% owners.  It is now 50% players, 50% owners.  Mission accomplished.

David Stern could care less how that 50% is distributed.  As long as it is only 50% and not 57%.

There is about $300 million more in the owners pockets every year and $300 million less in the players pockets every year.

I'd take an extra $300 million as a victory.

  Ask Dan Gilbert if he cares whether all the star players in the league end up on a few teams in the bigger markets in the league. His answer may surprise you.

[ScottHow]

That's quite a payday for solid play during (half?) of a lockout season.

[celtsfan84]

So, Celtics fans...  Anybody saddened that Danny didn't use our wonderful cap space this off-season?  Instead of KG and the rest of the gang coming back, we could be paying Omar Asik and Jeremy Lin a combined $16 million per season.

  Haha.

  I'd still like to see a reporter ask Stern and some of the hard line owners exactly what they accomplished with the lockout in terms of keeping player movement and salaries in line.

That's a naive and simple way of looking at things.

The intent of the lockout was to shift more money in the owners pockets and less in the players pockets.

Basketball related income used to be 57% players, 43% owners.  It is now 50% players, 50% owners.  Mission accomplished.

David Stern could care less how that 50% is distributed.  As long as it is only 50% and not 57%.

There is about $300 million more in the owners pockets every year and $300 million less in the players pockets every year.

I'd take an extra $300 million as a victory.

  Ask Dan Gilbert if he cares whether all the star players in the league end up on a few teams in the bigger markets in the league. His answer may surprise you.

Regardless of whether he cares or not, that wasn't really the point of the lockout.  The lockout was about basketball related income.  Free agency and trades will exist no matter how long you lock players out.  And look at the NBA's ratings this year.  The lockout accomplished a lot for Stern and the owners.

Ask Dan Gilbert and those owners if they want an extra $300 million.  His answer may surprise you.

Dan Gilbert also thinks the Cavs are going to win the title before the HEAT by the way.  That one didn't turn out so well.

And I assume you think the Rockets signing Lin and Asik is "all the star players in the league end up on a few teams in the bigger markets in the league".  Your opinion of Lin and Asik is alot stronger than mine.

[KGs Knee]

So, Celtics fans...  Anybody saddened that Danny didn't use our wonderful cap space this off-season?  Instead of KG and the rest of the gang coming back, we could be paying Omar Asik and Jeremy Lin a combined $16 million per season.

  Haha.

  I'd still like to see a reporter ask Stern and some of the hard line owners exactly what they accomplished with the lockout in terms of keeping player movement and salaries in line.

That's a naive and simple way of looking at things.

The intent of the lockout was to shift more money in the owners pockets and less in the players pockets.

Basketball related income used to be 57% players, 43% owners.  It is now 50% players, 50% owners.  Mission accomplished.

David Stern could care less how that 50% is distributed.  As long as it is only 50% and not 57%.

There is about $300 million more in the owners pockets every year and $300 million less in the players pockets every year.

I'd take an extra $300 million as a victory.

  Ask Dan Gilbert if he cares whether all the star players in the league end up on a few teams in the bigger markets in the league. His answer may surprise you.

Dan Gilbert was just butt-hurt over LeBron leaving.  He would have been perfectly fine if it was his team that was getting all the high-profile players.

Besides, I can garauntee that if owners like Gilbert or Sarver were faced with the choice of equal talent distribution amongst all teams or getting a better revenue split, they'd choose the latter.  In fact, that's pretty much exactly what they did decide.  They were never going to get both.

[celtsfan84]

So, Celtics fans...  Anybody saddened that Danny didn't use our wonderful cap space this off-season?  Instead of KG and the rest of the gang coming back, we could be paying Omar Asik and Jeremy Lin a combined $16 million per season.

  Haha.

  I'd still like to see a reporter ask Stern and some of the hard line owners exactly what they accomplished with the lockout in terms of keeping player movement and salaries in line.

That's a naive and simple way of looking at things.

The intent of the lockout was to shift more money in the owners pockets and less in the players pockets.

Basketball related income used to be 57% players, 43% owners.  It is now 50% players, 50% owners.  Mission accomplished.

David Stern could care less how that 50% is distributed.  As long as it is only 50% and not 57%.

There is about $300 million more in the owners pockets every year and $300 million less in the players pockets every year.

I'd take an extra $300 million as a victory.

  Ask Dan Gilbert if he cares whether all the star players in the league end up on a few teams in the bigger markets in the league. His answer may surprise you.

Dan Gilbert was just butt-hurt over LeBron leaving.  He would have been perfectly fine if it was his team that was getting all the high-profile players.

Besides, I can garauntee that if owners like Gilbert or Sarver were faced with the choice of equal talent distribution amongst all teams or getting a better revenue split, they'd choose the latter.  In fact, that's pretty much exactly what they did decide.  They were never going to get both.

Exactly.  The NBA is a business.  Money beats equality for all 30 owners.

[LarBrd33]

He's worth it for the marketability alone. I'm sure the Knicks will match though.

How much marketability will he have if he turns into a bench warmer.

Never have been sold on Lin.  Nice streak... that's all.

[jambr380]

Not an enormous fan of Lin, but he really did get that Knicks team to play well without Carmelo. He is a smart player who has 'clutch' ability. Sure, he is overrated but he is now getting half of what Eric Gordon is getting and is much much much more marketable than Gordo. I thought that Lin was easily worth the MLE. The Rockets just had to pay a little more to get him.

As for the Knicks, if Nash really does have a solid three years left, then I see the desire to go that direction, as all of their players are currently in their prime.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

He's worth it for the marketability alone. I'm sure the Knicks will match though.

How much marketability will he have if he turns into a bench warmer.

Never have been sold on Lin.  Nice streak... that's all.

I doubt that he will be though. I was sold when he lit up the Lakers for 38 points and hit that game winner against Toronto. That's with ALL eyes on him, especially against LA when it's against Kobe and the who Garden and the City of New York and it's media is just craving, waiting if he's going to fail or not.

He's still not perfect, but he's a starter at best. He's has shown that he can. Especially in Houston, where there's no Melo to take away some of his shots. Let's all remember, with all the Linsanity that went on about this rising PG, he's still shoot-first. He always has been.

[LarBrd33]

He's worth it for the marketability alone. I'm sure the Knicks will match though.

How much marketability will he have if he turns into a bench warmer.

Never have been sold on Lin.  Nice streak... that's all.

I doubt that he will be though. I was sold when he lit up the Lakers for 38 points and hit that game winner against Toronto. That's with ALL eyes on him, especially against LA when it's against Kobe and the who Garden and the City of New York and it's media is just craving, waiting if he's going to fail or not.

He's still not perfect, but he's a starter at best. He's has shown that he can. Especially in Houston, where there's no Melo to take away some of his shots. Let's all remember, with all the Linsanity that went on about this rising PG, he's still shoot-first. He always has been.

Big deal... he scored 38 points in a game.  It's one game.  It happens all the time.  He didn't do anything that Flip Murray hadn't done.  Tony Delk once dropped a double nickle.  It was a lockout shortened season and teams weren't scouting an unknown player.  He had a great 11 game run and then the Knicks fell apart, fired Mike D and Linsanity predictably died. 

Maybe he'll be a good role player long term, but I'd be shocked to see him ever turn into a real start in this league.... Question is, how much marketability will he have if/when he becomes a role player?  About equal to Yi Jianlian?.. or are fans dumb enough to continue voting for him into the allstar game while he's averaging 7 points and 3 assists off the bench?

I'm a lot more impressed with Goran Dragic than I am with Jeremy Lin.  If i were a betting man, I'd probably say the odds are better than Dragic continues his strong play.  At least his rise makes sense. Three years backing up Steve Nash and putting up solid numbers... finally finds a role in Houston and just continues to put up the same solid numbers with more minutes.  That makes sense.  I get that.  It's not a stretch that Dragic continues to play strong (averaged 19 points, 8 assists and 2 steals during the final month).  There's a logic behind Dragic.  However... Jeremy Lin being a d-leaguer, getting cut by multiple teams and randomly having an 11 game stretch during a lockout shortened season under a coach whose system ALWAYS favors point guards (*cough*... see Feltonsanity... the stretch where the Knicks won 13 out of 14 games with Felton averaging 21 points, 11 assists and 2 steals *cough*) ... That doesn't make sense for it to continue.

[Celts Fan 92]

He's worth it for the marketability alone. I'm sure the Knicks will match though.

How much marketability will he have if he turns into a bench warmer.

Never have been sold on Lin.  Nice streak... that's all.

I doubt that he will be though. I was sold when he lit up the Lakers for 38 points and hit that game winner against Toronto. That's with ALL eyes on him, especially against LA when it's against Kobe and the who Garden and the City of New York and it's media is just craving, waiting if he's going to fail or not.

He's still not perfect, but he's a starter at best. He's has shown that he can. Especially in Houston, where there's no Melo to take away some of his shots. Let's all remember, with all the Linsanity that went on about this rising PG, he's still shoot-first. He always has been.

Big deal... he scored 38 points in a game.  It's one game.  It happens all the time.  He didn't do anything that Flip Murray hadn't done.  Tony Delk once dropped a double nickle.  It was a lockout shortened season and teams weren't scouting an unknown player.  He had a great 11 game run and then the Knicks fell apart, fired Mike D and Linsanity predictably died. 

Maybe he'll be a good role player long term, but I'd be shocked to see him ever turn into a real start in this league.... Question is, how much marketability will he have if/when he becomes a role player?  About equal to Yi Jianlian?.. or are fans dumb enough to continue voting for him into the allstar game while he's averaging 7 points and 3 assists off the bench?

I'm a lot more impressed with Goran Dragic than I am with Jeremy Lin.  If i were a betting man, I'd probably say the odds are better than Dragic continues his strong play.  At least his rise makes sense. Three years backing up Steve Nash and putting up solid numbers... finally finds a role in Houston and just continues to put up the same solid numbers with more minutes.  That makes sense.  I get that.  It's not a stretch that Dragic continues to play strong (averaged 19 points, 8 assists and 2 steals during the final month).  There's a logic behind Dragic.  However... Jeremy Lin being a d-leaguer, getting cut by multiple teams and randomly having an 11 game stretch during a lockout shortened season under a coach whose system ALWAYS favors point guards (*cough*... see Feltonsanity... the stretch where the Knicks won 13 out of 14 games with Felton averaging 21 points, 11 assists and 2 steals *cough*) ... That doesn't make sense for it to continue.

rofl mane let Jeremy Lin cook bruh

[MBunge]

I'm a lot more impressed with Goran Dragic than I am with Jeremy Lin.  If i were a betting man, I'd probably say the odds are better than Dragic continues his strong play.  At least his rise makes sense.

2012 stats

Goran Dragic - 68 games, 27 minutes per game, 11.7 pts, 5.3 assists, 1.3 steals, PER 18.3

Jeremy Lin - 35 games, 27 minutes a game, 14.6 pts, 6.2 assists, 1.6 steals, PER 19.97

Mike

[ManUp]

I think 7 per isn't too bad for what Lin showed. I don't think he's a star but he can be an above average starter. I'd say he can be something like Jameer Nelson in his prime. If I were the one giving him a contract it would probably be something like 4 years 24-26 million.

[LarBrd33]

I'm a lot more impressed with Goran Dragic than I am with Jeremy Lin.  If i were a betting man, I'd probably say the odds are better than Dragic continues his strong play.  At least his rise makes sense.

2012 stats

Goran Dragic - 68 games, 27 minutes per game, 11.7 pts, 5.3 assists, 1.3 steals, PER 18.3

Jeremy Lin - 35 games, 27 minutes a game, 14.6 pts, 6.2 assists, 1.6 steals, PER 19.97

Mike

Lets compare their stats as starters:

Goran Dragic - 28 games, 36.5 minutes - 18 points, 8.4 assists, 1.8 steals, 49% shooting, 38% from three, 84% from the line... 3.2 turnovers

Jeremy Lin - 25 games, 34.0 minutes - 18.2 points, 7.7 assists, 2.0 steals, 45% shooting, 34% from three, 80% from the line.. 4.7 turnovers

I'd take Dragic... especially when you consider Lin's numbers were mostly inflated during that incredible 11 game stretch where he was a complete unknown playing during a lockout shortened season (teams weren't practicing) in a system that vastly inflates PG numbers (Raymond Felton averaged 17, 9 and 2 as a starter in 54 games the year prior)

Post allstar break, Lin was shooting 40%... 30% from three.

Sure... maybe I end up looking like a fool here.  As Chuck would say... "I may be wrong, but I doubt it".

[thenotoriousjts]

With Nash possibly going to NY I think Lin should take this deal, even though the Rockets are pretty awful. Lin can get some more playing time to build up his rep and get a better contract on a better team.

[SHAQATTACK]

So, Celtics fans...  Anybody saddened that Danny didn't use our wonderful cap space this off-season?  Instead of KG and the rest of the gang coming back, we could be paying Omar Asik and Jeremy Lin a combined $16 million per season.

Forget about Houston.  The real horror show is Dallas.  They gave up a chance to repeat as champions just so they'd have cap room this offseason.  Now they might have to seriously consider trading Dirk at some point because their options for rebuilding the team are so limited.

Mike

Dallas is really screwed. I bet their fan are outraged.  SO now the really only decent asset is Dirk and he is old.  

Yep , Cuban gambled , lost , and now left with nothing , but to tank and rebuild.