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Re: Mark Cuban pwns Skip Bayless and ESPN
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2012, 10:27:51 PM »

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did anyone else note how unbelievably quiet stephen A smith was???

I think he knew he was in over his head too.
Stephen A Smith was quiet for 6 minutes! That's a record, right?  ;D
Mark Cuban deserves a million TP!!!

Re: Mark Cuban pwns Skip Bayless and ESPN
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2012, 10:39:03 PM »

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did anyone else note how unbelievably quiet stephen A smith was???
I mentioned that in my first post.  smartest thing he's ever done.

Re: Mark Cuban pwns Skip Bayless and ESPN
« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2012, 10:40:26 PM »

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Not buying it. Thought Cuban made himself look like a moron. Trying to tell me Lebron didn't wilt and actually made the right decisions, because they were just so smart and nobody else was?

Skip was supposed to have personal access to OKC's playbook?  Lebron wasn't under excruciating pressure?  We didn't give the Mavs any credit? Teams never want it more?

Cuban is a confident speaker. Don't go for the revisionism. Skip as a sportswriter puts things in context. Cuban doesn't have to like or agree with it.

Bayless had nothing intelligent to say. I don't know what you saw but you saw something different then most people saw I guess.
I kinda thought Skip just did what I did which was sit there in shock. It was tough to keep up with cause he just kept talking about how great a job  they did (which just happened to come in the 4th quarter of course) while I was still processing "Did he just say Lebron didn't wilt?"  

I guess Cuban thinks if you're just smart enough or something and you run a good enough defensive set (in the 4th quarter of course) then you can easily succeed. So therefore nobody was smart enough to stop Jordan (the player that Bron is always compared to) or Jordan was just smarter than that. Six times. Maybe Cuban sees chess or suduku where I see basketball.

Can't say a team wanted it more? So one guy is practicing while the other makes commercials and I can't say the first guy wants it more.

Yep. Not buying it.

right, i agree with most of that, particularity that mark Cuban thinks far to much of himself, but none of that changes his overall point, that everything is about lebron and how he "competed"  and ESPN has no idea what it's talking about when it comes to analyzing a basketball game ont he whole.

Dallas DID defend lebron much better, fact not opinion.

OCK was late on switches, often got beat off the dribble, and failed to adjust to slow lebron down off picks. They got murdered off the dribble all series long and the bigs were painfully slow to rotate.

Dallas did that very well all series. and because of that Lebron had a much tougher time on offense. He was forced to pull back to avoid being trapped in the zone, and it made him into a jump shooter. lebron, while he can get hot, is not a confident shooter on the whole.

But, Skip is incapable of seeing the difference between the two ways lebron was defended. Instead in the dallas series lebron "was wilting" was the problem but in this series lebron was "imposing his will, despite the amazing defense OKC played!"

no, what actually happened is lebron is a streaky shooter, and dallas played very nice zone defense to frustrate him and make him take jump shots, which is a weakness. it worked, and lebron chocked on his jumpshots and dallas won.

and this year, OKC played average to below average defense and showed lebron a lane to the basket at will, which is pure death since that's the strength of his game. lebron dunked all over them, got confidence since he could do whatever he wanted, and destroyed them.

that was Cuban's point, that no matter what ACTUALLY happened in the game, ESPN spins it to a lebron centric theme to push the hype machine instead of doing objective analysis (ya know, like a real group of analysts would do)


He's also 100% right that skip's overall "analysis" consisted of "well the last 9 years he's listened to me, this year he tuned me out"

in other words, Skip Bayless just said he is PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for the troubles in lebron james life the last 9 years. Think how amazingly arrogant that is. it makes King james look humble. and only this year did lebron overcome the mind games master that is skip bayless thanks to the strength of a young adult novel which took him a month to read.  ::)

p.s anyone who thinks he actually was reading that book any other time than when TNT/ESPN said "ok lebron, live in 3...2...1..." is an idiot. the book is 300 pages long in large print. it was an endorsement plug, plain and simple.
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Re: Mark Cuban pwns Skip Bayless and ESPN
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2012, 10:43:11 PM »

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Not buying it. Thought Cuban made himself look like a moron. Trying to tell me Lebron didn't wilt and actually made the right decisions, because they were just so smart and nobody else was?

Skip was supposed to have personal access to OKC's playbook?  Lebron wasn't under excruciating pressure?  We didn't give the Mavs any credit? Teams never want it more?

Cuban is a confident speaker. Don't go for the revisionism. Skip as a sportswriter puts things in context. Cuban doesn't have to like or agree with it.

Bayless had nothing intelligent to say. I don't know what you saw but you saw something different then most people saw I guess.
I kinda thought Skip just did what I did which was sit there in shock. It was tough to keep up with cause he just kept talking about how great a job  they did (which just happened to come in the 4th quarter of course) while I was still processing "Did he just say Lebron didn't wilt?" 

I guess Cuban thinks if you're just smart enough or something and you run a good enough defensive set (in the 4th quarter of course) then you can easily succeed. So therefore nobody was smart enough to stop Jordan (the player that Bron is always compared to) or Jordan was just smarter than that. Six times. Maybe Cuban sees chess or suduku where I see basketball.

Can't say a team wanted it more? So one guy is practicing while the other makes commercials and I can't say the first guy wants it more.

Yep. Not buying it.

right, i agree with most of that, but none of that changes his overall point, that everything is about lebron and ESPN has no idea what it's talking about when it comes to analyzing a basketball game.

Dallas DID defend lebron better, fact not opinion.

OCK was late on switches, often got beat off the dribble, and failed to adjust to slow lebron down off picks. They got murdered off the dribble all series long and the bigs were painfully slow to rotate.

Dallas did that very well all series. and because of that Lebron had a much tougher time on offense. He was forced to pull back to avoid being trapped in the zone, and it made him into a jump shooter.

But, Skip is incapable of seeing the difference between the two ways lebron was defended. Instead in the dallas series lebron "wilting" was the problem but in this series lebron was "imposing his will!"

no, what actually happened is lebron is a streaky shooter, and dallas played very nice zone defense to frustrate him and make him take jump shots, which is a weakness.

and this year, OKC played average to below average defense and showed lebron a lane to the basket at will, which is pure death since that's the strength of his game.

that was Cuban's point, that no matter what ACTUALLY happened in the game, ESPN spins it to a lebron centric theme to push the hype machine instead of doing objective analysis (ya know, like a real group of analysts would do)


He's also 100% right that skip's overall "analysis" consisted of "well the last 9 years he's lisned to me, this year he tuned me out"

in other words, Skip Bayless just said he is PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for the troubles in lebron james life the last 9 years and only this year did lebron overcome them thanks to the strength of a young adult novel.  ::)

TP for nailing what happened.

Re: Mark Cuban pwns Skip Bayless and ESPN
« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2012, 10:47:58 PM »

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Not buying it. Thought Cuban made himself look like a moron. Trying to tell me Lebron didn't wilt and actually made the right decisions, because they were just so smart and nobody else was?

Skip was supposed to have personal access to OKC's playbook?  Lebron wasn't under excruciating pressure?  We didn't give the Mavs any credit? Teams never want it more?

Cuban is a confident speaker. Don't go for the revisionism. Skip as a sportswriter puts things in context. Cuban doesn't have to like or agree with it.

Bayless had nothing intelligent to say. I don't know what you saw but you saw something different then most people saw I guess.
I kinda thought Skip just did what I did which was sit there in shock. It was tough to keep up with cause he just kept talking about how great a job  they did (which just happened to come in the 4th quarter of course) while I was still processing "Did he just say Lebron didn't wilt?" 

I guess Cuban thinks if you're just smart enough or something and you run a good enough defensive set (in the 4th quarter of course) then you can easily succeed. So therefore nobody was smart enough to stop Jordan (the player that Bron is always compared to) or Jordan was just smarter than that. Six times. Maybe Cuban sees chess or suduku where I see basketball.

Can't say a team wanted it more? So one guy is practicing while the other makes commercials and I can't say the first guy wants it more.

Yep. Not buying it.

Buy this, Skip Bayless is a puppet.  What Cuban basically said is that the idiots paid to cover this stuff according to their "expertise"  do nothing but smoke and mirrors.  When confronted on it they clam up like Bayless or make excuses like Smith.  Isn't it their job to know the game they are covering and why things happen from more than just a subjective point of view.  I doubt there are too many owners that can break down defensive schemes like Cuban just did.  Which further goes to show that it's a shame owners, who could be doing much more than figuring out what the coach is doing, knows more then the people doing the reporting.  A testament to Cuban, an indictment for ESPN id say.

Re: Mark Cuban pwns Skip Bayless and ESPN
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2012, 11:08:57 PM »

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Cuban's main point - and he's talked about this in the past - is that the majority of sportswriters and color analysts are lazy when it comes to studying the sport that they cover for a living.  He's right.

Of course whether the majority of NBA fans want to learn the nuances of teams defensive schemes is another story...but it was great watching him make Bayless look foolish.

I did however like what he said about Pat Riley's schemes.  That's the type of inside dirt you rarely hear, though I think Cuban's purpose there was to show everyone how smart he is....good stuff though.

Re: Mark Cuban pwns Skip Bayless and ESPN
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2012, 11:09:49 PM »

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Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith are bandwagon-ing blowhards with little knowledge of the NBA.  Everyone already knew it.  Cuban exposed it.  I've always wondered at the moronic questions the media asks during press conferences.  Cuban just asked them why they don't pay attention to the game to ask good questions.  Shockingly there was no answer.  Cuban trolling the media.  GM doing expose on media. lol
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Re: Mark Cuban pwns Skip Bayless and ESPN
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2012, 11:20:32 PM »

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Watching ESPN is like reading a tabloid. Very little substance. Sports fans need to show that we don't like it by stop watching ESPN. The whole network is about ratings and it has not changed and it won't until people stop giving them TV ratings.

Re: Mark Cuban pwns Skip Bayless and ESPN
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2012, 11:32:28 PM »

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This was gold when I saw it on TV.

Love this show by the way, and both SAS and Skip but Mark Cuban hit it right on the money. Maybe they should guest him more during the next NBA season.
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Re: Mark Cuban pwns Skip Bayless and ESPN
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2012, 11:52:42 PM »

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"Well Skip, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ZONE IS USED FOR?"

Skip silent.

Skip says something dumb about Lebron choking basically have Dallas a title.

"Skip, DO YOU KNOW WHY LEBRON WAS OUT ON THE PERIMETER?"

"Yea he was scared to penetrate and choked."

"NO IT'S CUZ WE MADE HIM A JUMPSHOOTER!"

"My 2 year old can break down tape better than the 'analysts' at ESPN."

As much as I hate Mark Cuban, you have gotta give him some love at times like these.
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Re: Mark Cuban pwns Skip Bayless and ESPN
« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2012, 12:21:02 AM »

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only analyst i like on ESPN are guys like tim leglar & magic johnson who actually break down basketball & strategies

Re: Mark Cuban pwns Skip Bayless and ESPN
« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2012, 12:54:02 AM »

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Cuban diddnt "pwn" anybody. He kept saying Skip just constantly generalizes yet failed to give any examples that made sense. I dont get the Skip hate. People may disagree with him but I admire his candidness and respect him as a journalist. Every time Skip supposedly gets "owned" he either holds his own or wins the arguement out right.

Re: Mark Cuban pwns Skip Bayless and ESPN
« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2012, 01:03:44 AM »

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As long as Mark Cuban is wearing t-shirts that fit and not 'acting' on Entourage, he's my favorite owner in any sport.

Loved the interview.

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Re: Mark Cuban pwns Skip Bayless and ESPN
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2012, 01:08:23 AM »

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Cuban diddnt "pwn" anybody. He kept saying Skip just constantly generalizes yet failed to give any examples that made sense. I dont get the Skip hate. People may disagree with him but I admire his candidness and respect him as a journalist. Every time Skip supposedly gets "owned" he either holds his own or wins the arguement out right.

How did Skip 'hold his own'? He basically showed that he did not know much about the sport in this interview. Anyone who wanted learn anything about playing the game of basketball or what went on during a game would not be any wiser to the game had they listened to Skip Bayless.

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« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2012, 01:09:53 AM »

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Cuban diddnt "pwn" anybody. He kept saying Skip just constantly generalizes yet failed to give any examples that made sense. I dont get the Skip hate. People may disagree with him but I admire his candidness and respect him as a journalist. Every time Skip supposedly gets "owned" he either holds his own or wins the arguement out right.
What were you watching?  He completely ignored the facts that
1) Shawn Marion is a better defender than any one on the Thunder against Lebron.
2) Tyson Chandler, like KG, shadowed Lebron and Wade which Ibaka could not because he's too young and Perk could not because of torn groin.
3) Dallas kept Miami of balance by switching between zone and man-to-man defenses also like Boston.
4) Oklahoma too inexperienced and season too short to play the zone well.
That is analysis.
Lebron was scared last year, this year he wanted it more.  (Durant was crying because Mario Chalmers downloaded doodle jump) is a generality.  A cliche on top of it.  Certainly not analysis.
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