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Idea: Dwight Howard to the Thunder?
« on: June 17, 2012, 12:48:20 PM »

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Just something fun to think about, again, as we wait for the Celts offseason to heat up. If the Thunder are worried about being able to pay their five best players (Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, Perkins) after next year, should they maybe look at acquiring Dwight Howard in exchange for a few of them? What about Harden, Ibaka, Perkins and a future first for Howard? I think the Magic would take that deal in a heartbeat, though I don't know if the money matches up.

Also, they'd be pretty thin behind their front three horses but man, they'd be a tough team to beat regardless with Westbrook, Durant and Howard running the show. I think they'd also fit nicely together as well, a component of the Big Two/Three model that many executives seem to have forgotten in recent years.

Thoughts? I stress that this is just toying around but not entirely implausible either.


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Re: Idea: Dwight Howard to the Thunder?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2012, 01:03:10 PM »

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Westbrook, Aldrich, and Perkins for Howard and Turkoglu.

Should work cap-wise (or close to it).

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Re: Idea: Dwight Howard to the Thunder?
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2012, 03:26:51 PM »

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Even if the officials guide the messiah and CO to the NBA title....

Why on God's green earth would the Thunder....With a team which looks like it has similar unity to our championship team...Want to break up that team to bring on a diva like Howard?

Perk and Ibaka essentially do everything Howard does on both ends of the court without the drama.

Re: Idea: Dwight Howard to the Thunder?
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2012, 04:18:27 PM »

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Even if the officials guide the messiah and CO to the NBA title....

Why on God's green earth would the Thunder....With a team which looks like it has similar unity to our championship team...Want to break up that team to bring on a diva like Howard?

Perk and Ibaka essentially do everything Howard does on both ends of the court without the drama.

Why is it that if the Heat win, it's because of the refs, and if they lose, they just aren't good enough? Do we all not acknowledge that LeBron James is the greatest player alive? That Dwyane Wade isn't still a top 10 force at a seasoned age of 30? Or that Chris Bosh isn't a more skilled third wheel than James Harden (at least right now)? So why aren't we leaving the Heat any room for genuine victory in our analysis? Don't get me wrong, I hate the Heat just much as the next guy -- Wade is my most hated player in the league. But with great scrutiny comes opportunity to garner respect, and they certainly did that the last two games of the Eastern Conference Finals. Say what you will about the refs but the focus on them is overshadowing a great series. As Zach Harper pointed out on ESPN, it's hard for 48 minutes of hard fought basketball to come down to one blown call by the refs, especially in a game that can widely be characterized as one where the Thunder came up well short in an entire half, that being the first. Sorry for rambling, I just find it contradictory to Celtics spirit to disrespect any potential champions, even the most hated ones.

Back to the point: they would break it up because, as I mentioned, they might not be able to pay all of them. It's why they're rumored to be discussing sending Harden to the Bobcats for the second pick. And I 100% disagree that Ibaka+Perkins=Howard. That's outrageous. Howard is a top five caliber player in the game and he's only 26. He is a double double machine, the best we've seen since Garnett/Duncan/Shaq, and again, is only 26. Perkins is essentially useless on the offensive end, dude can't even score against Shane Battier. So unless you'd like to convince me that Ibaka is equal to Howard offensively, I can't see why you would feel it would be counterproductive for them to acquire Howard. I'm high on Ibaka too, the kid's only 22 with All-Star potential. Best big man in the game potential? No.

Indeed Proceed -- that's a decent deal for sure but I guess my point of relinquishing Harden and Ibaka is they wouldn't have to pay Howard, Ibaka, Durant and Harden, just Howard, Durant, and Westbrook. If Harden and Ibaka continue to progress, so will their monetary commands and it will pay dividends for OKC to have gotten a piece like Howard in return instead of having to let them walk in free agency.


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Re: Idea: Dwight Howard to the Thunder?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2012, 04:39:20 PM »

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As Zach Harper pointed out on ESPN, it's hard for 48 minutes of hard fought basketball to come down to one blown call by the refs

It really is when you look at the positioning of the officials.  Two had plain sight of both fouls committed on that drive.  When somebody is the most gifted player the game has ever seen....As the messiah is....Why does he need help in the first place?  That wasn't a blown call.  It was an intentional no call. 

Back to the point: they would break it up because, as I mentioned, they might not be able to pay all of them. It's why they're rumored to be discussing sending Harden to the Bobcats for the second pick. And I 100% disagree that Ibaka+Perkins=Howard. That's outrageous. Howard is a top five caliber player in the game and he's only 26. He is a double double machine, the best we've seen since Garnett/Duncan/Shaq, and again, is only 26. Perkins is essentially useless on the offensive end, dude can't even score against Shane Battier. So unless you'd like to convince me that Ibaka is equal to Howard offensively, I can't see why you would feel it would be counterproductive for them to acquire Howard. I'm high on Ibaka too, the kid's only 22 with All-Star potential. Best big man in the game potential? No.

You're right, Flex..Howard is better than either Perk or Ibaka..But Howard is no Wilt.  He dominates on one side of the court...And other than dunks is barely existent on the other.  In spite of the fact that they need him to be their top offensive player.  He'd be a third or fourth option on the Thunder.  If you listen to Howard's whining....He isn't getting enough touches now.  There's the chemistry thing, Flex.  Ibaka and Perk are glue players to a team with stars.  Howard clearly undermines his coach and his team.  He may improve the team's rebounding..But he'd be a thorn in the side of Scott Brooks and the Thunder management.

Re: Idea: Dwight Howard to the Thunder?
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2012, 08:31:50 PM »

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My point of it being tough for a game to boil down to one call is that it doesn't. Anybody who's ever played basketball knows that every possession can change the game and that while the Thunder were certainly slighted in that no-call late in the game, the fact of the matter is that there were countless possessions where a championship team steps up, especially at home and doesn't leave it to the refs to decide the game. See: LeBron going 12-12 from the line and Wade looking like he was finally in harmony with LeBron, aggressive on the fast break but also instrumental to his teammates, specifically James, in the half court. Bosh got hammered all game and shot five free throws. I didn't watch the replay over and over again but I didn't like the and-one call on LeBron that gave Westbrook the chance to tie (I think tie, I didn't bother to go back and look but if it wasn't the game was certainly close at that point) the game with under two minutes to go. So sure, COULD the Thunder have won game 2? Maybe... just maybe. Did they win? No. And judging by how they completely lay down to Miami in the first half, they shouldn't have. The Thunder actually shot more free throws than the Heat so I don't see any astounding bias on the part of the refs. As Jalen Rose mentioned (please excuse me for bringing Jalen Rose into this, I don't like him but he makes a good point here), the Thunder have four rotational players 6'10" or taller in comparison to the Heat's one and only outrebounded Miami by four. The Thunder did not deserve to win game 2 and didn't. Let's see if they can win tonight.

That's a good point about Howard's camaraderie issues though. I've actually become scared off of the Celtics pursuing him. But that's because this team has a certain locker room cohesiveness that Howard could be detrimental to, the fit just isn't right here. These guys, and by that I mean Pierce and possibly KG, have one more year to win a title together if Danny decides to go int that direction. They aren't going to want to re-maneuver, so to speak, their entire gameplan around him and I doubt the rest of the vets are going to want to budge anymore for another ego. The Thunder however, are young, have plenty of time to mesh, and don't have an overflowing amount of egos. KD is relatively passive at least off the court and would be more likely, along with Westbrook to form a friendship with Dwight that has flexibility in terms of erratic egos than the stars on the Celtics would. Also as for the concern that Brooks wouldn't be up to handling the risk for the reward... check out Westbrook and Durant even just at the beginning of this season. It wasn't out of the question that the Thunder would trade Westbrook because his attitude was too much for Durant. A CoY-caliber season from Brooks and a season's worth of mental practice on both the part of KD and Westbrook later has them in the NBA Finals. I would think the Thunder locker room would be an excellent place for Howard to grow.

Lastly, I again completely disagree with your talent assessment of Howard. He's started to add a reliable low block game, his constant second chance efforts on both tip-ins and dunks would be nearly unstoppable on a team with shooters and slashers like OKC, and his athleticism is valuable whether its conventional or not. The game of basketball doesn't revolve entirely around skill anymore and that shouldn't discredit players either. There is no question that Ray Allen is a more skilled player than Avery Bradley even at Ray's age. But Bradley is clearly the more useful guy because of his athleticism. That's just today's game. Is Howard Wilt-esque? No. Is he Shaq-esque? No. Hakeem-esque? No. But in a game where effective centers are tough to find, he's dominant on both ends. There are few players in the game's history that can outperform a more skilled guy on both ends on sheer athleticism night in and night out and one of them is Howard. That's not to say he doesn't have skill or that he should be slighted for that. It's just how it is.


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Re: Idea: Dwight Howard to the Thunder?
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2012, 04:45:53 AM »

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Good idea

Re: Idea: Dwight Howard to the Thunder?
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2012, 08:54:52 AM »

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Westbrook, Aldrich, and Perkins for Howard and Turkoglu.

Should work cap-wise (or close to it).
I think the Thunder are better with Westbrook than with Harden, so Harden is the guy I would want to move of course then you have a matching salary problem at least for Howard and other pieces.
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Harden, Ibaka, Perkins and a 1st for Howard?  If I were the Thunder, I'd do that deal.  Yes you lose your starting SG and PF, but you gain the most physically gifted center in the NBA right now and a force on defense.

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This is actually one of the best trade ideas I've seen on here. Orlando gets rid of two problems and gains serious talent. Harden is an ace.

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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2012, 12:44:25 PM »

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Biggest problem is that Howard wants to play in major market and I highly doubt he'll re-sign with OKC.

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If OKC could find a way to get Howard to go with Westy and KD,  they will win multiple championships.  They'd have the best defender in the league,  who happens to be the best offensive big man too, along with the best scorer in the league and a Top 5 PG. 

That trade makes sense for both teams.  OKC's owners are going to have to agree to be one of the league's highest payroll team if they want to retain Ibaka and Harden anyways. 

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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2012, 01:36:28 PM »

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That would be a good trade for both sides (Not really, but Howard wants out and you cant get better for him).
OKC is going to be a very scary franchise if that is going to happen.
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Biggest problem is that Howard wants to play in major market and I highly doubt he'll re-sign with OKC.

Yep. I also wonder whether he'd accept being second banana to Durant.
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2012, 02:31:56 PM »

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Harden, Ibaka, Perkins and a 1st for Howard?  If I were the Thunder, I'd do that deal.  Yes you lose your starting SG and PF, but you gain the most physically gifted center in the NBA right now and a force on defense.

I agree that OKC should love this.  If  1 man can do the work of 2, how can that be anything but great?  Imagine losing Paul Pierce -- to replace him, the C's would have to get a 2/3 who can shoot short range, shoot long range, pass well, defend well, handle the ball well (for a 3), rebound exceptionally well and be a team leader.  They'd need to find 3 guys to adequately replace Pierce.   Howard replaces Perk AND Ibaka.  OKC then has the easier task of finding a role-playing 4.     Harden is unique enough talent to make it hard to replace, but he does make the deal possibly palatable for Orlando. In the short-term, the Magic go from 3-5 seed to, well, worse.   OKC then works to fill in the pieces around a great Big 3 (DH, KD and RW).  OKC a force for a generation.   The question is -- are they a force for a generation without Howard?  Well, probably.