I was actually thinking about this yesterday... how if we signed KG and Ray to drastically cheap deals, there will always be this desire by Ainge to trade them away for assets.  I think if KG in particular is willing to take a significant pay cut, we should do him the honor of adding a "no trade clause" just to let him know that we want him here long-term as a mentor to the young guys with plans to retire in Celtic green... and aren't looking at him as a potential asset. 

OKC can offer Allen a no trade clause also, but i think they have enough scoring, Minny can offer KG a no trade clause but apparently he hates them

Do not believe KG will play anywhere but beantown, whereas i think the clips and okc may be the main competition for ray as they both have access to the full MLE. Knicks will need their MLE for Lin, and I don't belive the bulls or heat will be under the apron to offer a full MLE.

The no trade clause would make sense if they sign them for 2 years. Ideally, they sign 2 year contracts, with the second year partially guaranteed, and a player option.

That way, they could opt in, and the Celtics buyout them so they get the guaranteed money and retire in green, if I'm not mistaken.

In that case, you could sign KG for 6 + 4 guaranteed and Ray for 5 + 3 guaranteed. You pay them 10 and 8 million each for this one year while getting some cap space to absorb a one year bad contract (Ariza, Okafor...?) and get a draft pick this year, or, better yet, in 2013.

Could this be done under the CBA? Would you do it?

I don't know why you would want to use next year's dollars for two old guys this year, but I don't think you can have their contracts drop off that steeply--I think it's something only like 7% up or down from the previous year that's allowed.

Quote from: aporel#18 on June 14, 2012, 08:49:50 PM

The no trade clause would make sense if they sign them for 2 years. Ideally, they sign 2 year contracts, with the second year partially guaranteed, and a player option.

That way, they could opt in, and the Celtics buyout them so they get the guaranteed money and retire in green, if I'm not mistaken.

In that case, you could sign KG for 6 + 4 guaranteed and Ray for 5 + 3 guaranteed. You pay them 10 and 8 million each for this one year while getting some cap space to absorb a one year bad contract (Ariza, Okafor...?) and get a draft pick this year, or, better yet, in 2013.

Could this be done under the CBA? Would you do it?

I don't know why you would want to use next year's dollars for two old guys this year, but I don't think you can have their contracts drop off that steeply--I think it's something only like 7% up or down from the previous year that's allowed.

You sign Garnett to 6mil 2012 + 6mil 2013 (only 4 guaranteed)
You sign Ray to 5mil 2012 + 5mil 2013 (only 3 guaranteed)

The Mavericks signed Haywood with a clause which allows them (or a team trading for him) to spread his salary until 2026, it was posted here:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=56719.0

Could the Celtics work something similar to what I posted, or to what the Mavs did?

That would allow them to have a bigger salary cap this year, not sure if it would be worth it. Next year, we could be carrying a lot of rookie contracts, so money wouldn't be so big of a concern.

I think this is a great question, I've been thinking about it too.  I think the no-trade thing, and a guarantee to not trade Pierce, would go a long way to getting KG, Ray or both back.  I'm not sure how much things have changed in the past 6 months or so, but both have repeatedly said during their time in Boston that they'd like to retire here.  I know everyone is going nuts about Ray because of the Jackie M article, but I still think he'd like to retire here if the conditions were right.

The problem is even if possible, Danny probably wouldn't go for it.  He's way too trigger-happy on making deals, and would not want no-trade clauses on valuable assets if the C's are underperforming come AS break.

I don't think KG comes back for less than 12 million and while I think he's worth it, I'm not sure if thats a number I'm happy with depending on what's available.

Ray, I feel as of it'd just be better for everyone involved to move on.