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Re: Report: Cs looking to move up
« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2012, 01:22:41 PM »

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To me its all about KG and Ray.  If KG stays then I'd make sure we have green & greg resigned.  Then I'd look at best players available with both picks.  Unless we are doing a sign and trade with say bass and a pick or 2 to move up I can't see getting rid of both picks.
I for one would rather Bradley is kept.  He has only scratched the surface.  Rondo is in the process of scratching his potential as top 1-3 pg in league.  He and bradley could be the celtics backcourt for the next decade.

Re: Report: Cs looking to move up
« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2012, 01:28:11 PM »

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I could see Danny moving up for Leonard.

I don't think he goes big.  I think he finds his Shooting Guard replacement for Ray.  IMO, he is targeting Ross, SG out of University of Washington.

I woulnd't mind Danny moving up for Leonard. Very raw but has the potential to be a core piece.

I'd like Ross as well.

I just think it all adds up to Ross.  We've seen what Rondo can do with an athletic SG next to him in Bradley, and Ross fits that bill and already can shoot the 3.  Doesn't bring the defense Bradley does, but he has some defense.

Ray isn't coming back and I can see Ainge easily targeting his future SG.  Ross could easily go anywhere from 10-20, just depends.  He's gotta be Ainge's target in this draft.

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Re: Report: Cs looking to move up
« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2012, 01:32:59 PM »

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I could see Danny moving up for Leonard.

I don't think he goes big.  I think he finds his Shooting Guard replacement for Ray.  IMO, he is targeting Ross, SG out of University of Washington.

I woulnd't mind Danny moving up for Leonard. Very raw but has the potential to be a core piece.

I'd like Ross as well.

I just think it all adds up to Ross.  We've seen what Rondo can do with an athletic SG next to him in Bradley, and Ross fits that bill and already can shoot the 3.  Doesn't bring the defense Bradley does, but he has some defense.

Ray isn't coming back and I can see Ainge easily targeting his future SG.  Ross could easily go anywhere from 10-20, just depends.  He's gotta be Ainge's target in this draft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92pQIYhLo-k

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Re: Report: Cs looking to move up
« Reply #48 on: June 14, 2012, 01:41:08 PM »

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I could see Danny moving up for Leonard.

I don't think he goes big.  I think he finds his Shooting Guard replacement for Ray.  IMO, he is targeting Ross, SG out of University of Washington.

I woulnd't mind Danny moving up for Leonard. Very raw but has the potential to be a core piece.

I'd like Ross as well.

I just think it all adds up to Ross.  We've seen what Rondo can do with an athletic SG next to him in Bradley, and Ross fits that bill and already can shoot the 3.  Doesn't bring the defense Bradley does, but he has some defense.

Ray isn't coming back and I can see Ainge easily targeting his future SG.  Ross could easily go anywhere from 10-20, just depends.  He's gotta be Ainge's target in this draft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92pQIYhLo-k

Give me that sweet shooting stroke baby.

Athletic, can shoot it, plays good D.... Better version of Marshon Brooks or O.J. Mayo, IMO.

He's gotta be Ainge's man.

Re: Report: Cs looking to move up
« Reply #49 on: June 14, 2012, 01:47:50 PM »

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I could see Danny moving up for Leonard.

I don't think he goes big.  I think he finds his Shooting Guard replacement for Ray.  IMO, he is targeting Ross, SG out of University of Washington.

I woulnd't mind Danny moving up for Leonard. Very raw but has the potential to be a core piece.

I'd like Ross as well.

I just think it all adds up to Ross.  We've seen what Rondo can do with an athletic SG next to him in Bradley, and Ross fits that bill and already can shoot the 3.  Doesn't bring the defense Bradley does, but he has some defense.

Ray isn't coming back and I can see Ainge easily targeting his future SG.  Ross could easily go anywhere from 10-20, just depends.  He's gotta be Ainge's target in this draft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92pQIYhLo-k

Give me that sweet shooting stroke baby.

Athletic, can shoot it, plays good D.... Better version of Marshon Brooks or O.J. Mayo, IMO.

He's gotta be Ainge's man.

He's not known for his shot creation though unlike Brooks and Mayo. But like I said, we run him off screen like Ray does, get him open and get him the ball with enough space, very very dangerous as he can shoot or dribble by defender and go strong.
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Re: Report: Cs looking to move up
« Reply #50 on: June 14, 2012, 02:01:21 PM »

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Austin Rivers is predicted between pick 10-15

I believe that if Danny AND Doc believe he could fit, then they will find a way to get him

Assuming Phoenix like him at 13, I could see a package deal to them like: Rivers,Redd, and Lopez for Bradley and picks 21,22

Ray is most likely gone to the Clips IMO, if he comes back then so be it. Great for Austin to learn from
Lopez can be our 5 and let KG come back and go back to the 4 AND/OR come off the bench
Redd is a S/T throw in in case Ray doesn't return. If Rivers struggles, Redd is thrown in in Ray/House role to hit 3s

In Phoenix, Nash is likely gone, and Shannon Brown is said to be gone as well. Bradley comes in and Phoenix can pursue its future of chasing Nash replacements with a Bradley/Gortat/Dudley core

Rondo,Rivers,Pierce,Green,Lopez
Dooling,Redd/Ray,Quis,Bass,KG

If Boston wants to keep the old core but limit their minutes, I think this idea is best to run(similar to the Spurs) and we can rebuild/reload simultaneously
 


wow that was a HUGE speculation of a bunch of events happening rofl

i don't think Bradley is going anywhere

Why laugh so hard when you didn't read the post right?

There are a few WHAT IFs, but that's part of the off season.
Our entire team is a what if since the Big 3 could all retire and it not matter.

But a core of Rondo,Rivers,Pierce,Green,Lopez could be fun to watch.

I definitely agree KG is 2nd best player on the team, and a backup role is unlikely, but thats only during regular season. Give the young core time to develop, but Pierce/KG/Ray or Redd spend the most time on the floor come playoff time.
Lopez sucks and Redd is not much better at this stage of his career, and don't wanna give up Bradley for this group

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« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2012, 02:05:44 PM »

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I can't believe Doc is still getting trashed about not playig young guys.  It's real simple; Doc plays guys who can play.  Plain and simple. 

Continually drafting in the 20's isn't going to get us guys that can play right away.  And while Avery broke out this year, he was garbage almost the entire year last year.  And wouldn't he be considered a young guy that Doc is playing now?
Agree 100%

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« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2012, 02:07:48 PM »

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I'd hate to see us use both picks to end up somewhere around 15th.  I think that there are players who will be available in the early 20s who are as good as those selected in the mid-teens. 

I'd only move both picks if there was a specific player who Danny was in love with that slid.

I completely agree with Roy here.

After the first 10 or so picks, players from 11 down into the start of the 2nd round will all be a bit of a gamble.

And the difference in risk/reward between the 15th pick and the 22nd pick is negligible.

You mitigate that gamble by having multiple picks.   I.E. you have better odds of getting a success out of two picks at 21 & 22 than one at 15.

If there is someone of particular interest who has fallen, then sure, it might make sense to reach upward.   Otherwise, no.
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« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2012, 02:09:37 PM »

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I read somewhere that Houston was looking to move their #16 pick for a veteran.  I don't think we have the right piece for them, but maybe a sign and trade with Green for Camby (sign and trade) & #16?

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« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2012, 02:12:54 PM »

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I could see Danny moving up for Leonard.

I don't think he goes big.  I think he finds his Shooting Guard replacement for Ray.  IMO, he is targeting Ross, SG out of University of Washington.

I woulnd't mind Danny moving up for Leonard. Very raw but has the potential to be a core piece.

I'd like Ross as well.

I just think it all adds up to Ross.  We've seen what Rondo can do with an athletic SG next to him in Bradley, and Ross fits that bill and already can shoot the 3.  Doesn't bring the defense Bradley does, but he has some defense.

Ray isn't coming back and I can see Ainge easily targeting his future SG.  Ross could easily go anywhere from 10-20, just depends.  He's gotta be Ainge's target in this draft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92pQIYhLo-k

Give me that sweet shooting stroke baby.

Athletic, can shoot it, plays good D.... Better version of Marshon Brooks or O.J. Mayo, IMO.

He's gotta be Ainge's man.

He's not known for his shot creation though unlike Brooks and Mayo. But like I said, we run him off screen like Ray does, get him open and get him the ball with enough space, very very dangerous as he can shoot or dribble by defender and go strong.

I think the 'shot creation' thing is thrown out the window playing in Doc's system, alongside a Rajon Rondo who creates for you, and next to guys like Paul or KG who demand double teams.

One on one he might not be known for creating, but this team plays a 5 on 5 game, with Rondo as QB. The shot will be there for Ross if he runs the floor with Rondo. The tandem of Rondo & Ross for the future could be deadly.

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« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2012, 02:18:08 PM »

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Looking at the workouts list and following ainges past drafts my gut feeling is the following.

Cs trade up for a player they truly love and don't wait for the chips to fall.

My gut feeling is that the two players he would target if he moves up would be Terrance Ross or Meyers Leonard.

Ross because he fits nicely into the role of the 2/3 off the bench and creates a young athletic 3 guard rotation with Rondo and AB.

Leonard because he has the ideal makeup for a big man project. Big, Long, Athletic, Raw but productive in college.

I then think Danny will trade future picks and $$ to move back into the end of the 1st early 2nd with his targets depending on the 1st pick

If Ross goes first then its D Green, K Jones, F Ezeli, K O'Quinn

If Leonard goes first then its J Taylor,D Lamb, W Barton, j Jenkins 
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« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2012, 02:22:33 PM »

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 www.atthehive.com is discussing #10 for a guard.  Fan comments mention Avery Bradley & #21, but don't think it would be a good fit with Gordon

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« Reply #57 on: June 14, 2012, 02:29:35 PM »

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I'd hate to see us use both picks to end up somewhere around 15th.  I think that there are players who will be available in the early 20s who are as good as those selected in the mid-teens. 

I'd only move both picks if there was a specific player who Danny was in love with that slid.

I completely agree with Roy here.

After the first 10 or so picks, players from 11 down into the start of the 2nd round will all be a bit of a gamble.

And the difference in risk/reward between the 15th pick and the 22nd pick is negligible.

You mitigate that gamble by having multiple picks.   I.E. you have better odds of getting a success out of two picks at 21 & 22 than one at 15.

If there is someone of particular interest who has fallen, then sure, it might make sense to reach upward.   Otherwise, no.


These are my thoughts as well. If you can jump from 21/22 to 10, go for it. But if you can only get to 15, I'd rather spin the roulette wheel on 2 picks. The talent doesn't drop off much from 11 or 12 through about 24.

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« Reply #58 on: June 14, 2012, 02:45:38 PM »

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www.atthehive.com is discussing #10 for a guard.  Fan comments mention Avery Bradley & #21, but don't think it would be a good fit with Gordon

I only give up Bradley for #10, not the #21 too. AB is a player.

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« Reply #59 on: June 14, 2012, 02:54:27 PM »

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I think Bradley projects to be a better player than what you are likely to get from #10.
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