We are YOUNG

[st.jimmy222]

The games moore played I think he showed a lot of potential of developing into a solid backup sg/pg...he has nice poise and can shoot the ball.

Jjj can become a landry/bass type player imo

could not agree more. seriously want to see this kid get his minute and see what he can do

[mctyson]

Yea Doc clearly think Moore can play because of all of those mins he got during the regular season and playoffs? He didn't sniff the floor even after Bradley went down, Rondo has no backup PG and Ray was playing on one leg. Doc must have so much confidence in him .

Steamer wouldn't have even seen the floor if our starting center and backup center weren't out for the season .

By rotation players I mean guys who can be in your top 8 players on a contender .

Doc played Moore over Bradley early in the season.  He eventually settled on a shorter rotation, and chose Dooling as the backup.  My only point, no pun intended, on Moore was that he showed "in glimpses" that he can be a serviceable backup PG for 10 minutes a game, that he can shoot, and might be our answer at that position.  And he is 23, with room to get better.

The whole spirit of this post is not to say that we are loaded with young super-studs, but that we are not an "old team"...we are in fact a young team with a couple guys (important ones) that are past their prime.  But you could argue only 1 or 2 of them are critical to the team, an team that had a 70% winning percentage after the All Star break and went to Game 7 of the ECF.

[wdleehi]

It just means that the player is not a star. 

Again...what magical stars are going to fall out of the sky for you with our team?  Please, offer your options.  I have listed the fact that the remaining players on our roster, outside of the old guys everyone are fixated on, are all young and have contributed to the success of this team to varying degrees.

My points on AB all stand, and our supported by his play this year.  That is all we have to go on. And so far, he is everything we could possibly want him to be up to this point.

It called patience.  I don't expect the Celtics to pick up the next great Celtics star this year.  There are no good FA.  That's why I like the resign KG and Ray for one more year plan. 

[BballTim]

Bass will likely opt out and cash in on his playoff performance.

  Probably belongs in a different thread, but am I the only one who doesn't think the playoffs did a ton to raise Bass's stock?

[cman88]

If you develop our youth to be productive you can package them together to grab a superstar

Bradley I think has promise and who knows about our picks in this years draft

[frombirdtogarnett]

 Moore and Steisma are lucky to be in the league and I'm not sure they will in a year or two.

Also, Bass is opting out so cross him off your list.

edit - no personal attacks

[Snakehead]

Bass will likely opt out and cash in on his playoff performance.

  Probably belongs in a different thread, but am I the only one who doesn't think the playoffs did a ton to raise Bass's stock?

I think so.  Above 4 mill a year?

He has the same flaws we all knew.  But he certainly deserves more than 4 mill.

The thing is though that I don't think anyone is fooled (including Bass himself) into thinking Rondo isn't a big part of his success.  Which is why I can see him opting in.

[wdleehi]

Bass will likely opt out and cash in on his playoff performance.

  Probably belongs in a different thread, but am I the only one who doesn't think the playoffs did a ton to raise Bass's stock?

I think so.  Above 4 mill a year?

He has the same flaws we all knew.  But he certainly deserves more than 4 mill.

The thing is though that I don't think anyone is fooled (including Bass himself) into thinking Rondo isn't a big part of his success.  Which is why I can see him opting in.

What he deserves and what makes sense for this Celtics team are two different things.

[BballTim]

There are young players, but only one young building block.  


The other role players.  Some are coming off worry some injuries.

How is Avery Bradley not a building block?  And do we even know what JJJ or our draft picks will be in 1-2 years?

Less then a full season of being a strong role player and already he is a building block?  

He is a starting role player.  He is not a star.  Celtics need at least one young star and one young fringe star to go with Rondo.  Bradley fit in there as a starter (maybe), but he is not the guy you use as the foundation.  

Here our Bradley's splits when he started for us as our SG:  

28 games, 33.6 minutes per game, 12 points per game, 50% shooting, 47% 3-pt shooting, 80% FT shooting, 3 Rebounds per game, 2 assists per game, 1 steal per game.  And all world defense.

If that is not a building block for someone who is 21-years old, I don't know what magical player you think is going to drop out of the sky for us.

28 games.  And he provided the team role player type numbers with those games.



There is nothing wrong with a young player being a role player.  Being called a role player is not code for "bad player" 


It just means that the player is not a star. 

  Bradley's no lock to be a star but I don't think it's that improbable, at least the "fringe star" you're talking about. He started the last 19 games of the season and averaged 15 a game. Couple that with the fact that he's 21 or so and a great defender and he could definitely be a building block.

  This may sound strange, but if Bradley had been healthy, I could easily argue that he and Rondo would have been the best starting backcourt in the playoffs.

[clover]

Rondo is 26 and will turn 27 mid-season next year.

Avery I think could emerge as a start, but he's at least a serviceable starter for the next generation--at this point requiring stars around him.

Bass I think is likely to move on.

The Boilermakers unfortunately are question marks at best right now.

Stiemer will be a 2nd-year 27yo backup when the season starts.

But I agree, if Danny doesn't bring back more than two of the Big Three and only brings in FA's in their primer or before their prime, then the team will be young next year--unless Pierce and KG are both starters.

You can't have pensioners as two of your starters and fairly call your team young.

PS Oh, and I think Dooling might be back next year as well, to augment the veteran leadership.

[clover]

(edit)   Moore and Steisma are lucky to be in the league and I'm not sure they will in a year or two.

Also, Bass is opting out so cross him off your list.

Barring injury, I think Stiemer has a good 10yr career as a backup center in the NBA.

[BballTim]

Bass will likely opt out and cash in on his playoff performance.

  Probably belongs in a different thread, but am I the only one who doesn't think the playoffs did a ton to raise Bass's stock?

I think so.  Above 4 mill a year?

He has the same flaws we all knew.  But he certainly deserves more than 4 mill.

The thing is though that I don't think anyone is fooled (including Bass himself) into thinking Rondo isn't a big part of his success.  Which is why I can see him opting in.

  Again, though, I don't think his value should be any higher now than it was before the playoffs. I think he's an MLE type of player.

[mctyson]

It called patience.  I don't expect the Celtics to pick up the next great Celtics star this year.  There are no good FA.  That's why I like the resign KG and Ray for one more year plan. 

I do too, I think we are on the same page.  I guess my point with the thread was to say that if we do bring back KG or KG and Ray, that we still have a young nucleus that we are building with Rondo, AB, Jeff Green, JJJ, and the draft picks.  I just get tired of the talk that the Celtics are old, and that if we bring some of the Big 3 back we are staying old.  I don't consider a team where 5 of the top 7 or 8 rotation players are 27 or under to be old at all.

[mctyson]

Rondo is 26 and will turn 27 mid-season next year.

Avery I think could emerge as a start, but he's at least a serviceable starter for the next generation--at this point requiring stars around him.

Bass I think is likely to move on.

The Boilermakers unfortunately are question marks at best right now.

Stiemer will be a 2nd-year 27yo backup when the season starts.

But I agree, if Danny doesn't bring back more than two of the Big Three and only brings in FA's in their primer or before their prime, then the team will be young next year--unless Pierce and KG are both starters.

You can't have pensioners as two of your starters and fairly call your team young.

PS Oh, and I think Dooling might be back next year as well, to augment the veteran leadership.

Thank you for the correction, Rondo is 26.

I don't see why everyone is saying Bass is moving on, when he is on record as saying he wants to return.  He is 27 and if he opts out we could sign him 3 years at $6M per and I would be totally fine with that if he puts up 13 and 7 for those 3 years.

[CoachBo]

There are young players, but only one young building block.  


The other role players.  Some are coming off worry some injuries.

How is Avery Bradley not a building block?  And do we even know what JJJ or our draft picks will be in 1-2 years?

Less then a full season of being a strong role player and already he is a building block?  



He is a starting role player.  He is not a star.  Celtics need at least one young star and one young fringe star to go with Rondo.  Bradley fit in there as a starter (maybe), but he is not the guy you use as the foundation.  

Totally agreed. People are falling all over themselves annointing a questionable shooter star status.

Bradley's career path is encouraging, but he is in no way at "building block" status at this point.

As for the Purdue Two, they've shown little or nothing. Right now, I'm fine with dumping them if better alternatives - or draft picks - emerge.