Moe Harkless or Quincy Miller

[ctrey]

If either of those guys are there at 21 and we pick them I will open champagne. To get an aggressive scoring wing player would be fantastic. We desperately need those kinds of players seeing that we really have no clue as to who will back Pierce. I would love to see Jeff Green come back healthy and get the chance to actually play the 3 but we have not heard a peep as to where is basketball wise. It would be great to see us get wing help in this draft. Fortunately the draft seems deep in those areas.

[arambone]

I dunno, Pietrus wants to come back too. Between Pierce, Green, and Pietrus, any rookie would have trouble adding much value next year at the 3.

I think Green is likely to be just fine. The procedure probably either worked or didn't. Wouldn't be surprised if he was only kept out for the year for precautionary reasons.

Green actually wants to play for the C's, apparently, so we wouldn't have to overpay him in a competitive free agent environment.

Assuming I was correct about Green being physically fine now, it would probably make sense to lock him up for 3-4 years at 7 million or so if he would sign it. Could be great value.

Miller and Harkless both have a fair amount of upside, but it's not all the time that a cold weather team like Boston has talented guys like Green eager to play here as free agents, at good value. Plus Pierce is signed for two more years.

Given the other needs on the roster, and the lack of borderline stars lining up to play in Boston at a low price, I think the 2 (or combo), 4, and 5 positions are better targets with the draft picks.

All that said, Harkless has the superior athleticism, and Miller has the superior scoring ability. Miller might be a 24 point per game scorer someday, but he'll probably always be an average or sub-par defender. No big deal, so is Carmelo. Harkless has the same upside as Jeff Green, but we already have him.

If Pierce was traded or retired, I'd look very, very closely at QMiller as a two year project for sure. Green and Pietrus can hold down the fort for next year.

[slamtheking]

I dunno, Pietrus wants to come back too. Between Pierce, Green, and Pietrus, any rookie would have trouble adding much value next year at the 3.

I think Green is likely to be just fine. The procedure probably either worked or didn't. Wouldn't be surprised if he was only kept out for the year for precautionary reasons.

Green actually wants to play for the C's, apparently, so we wouldn't have to overpay him in a competitive free agent environment.

Assuming I was correct about Green being physically fine now, it would probably make sense to lock him up for 3-4 years at 7 million or so if he would sign it. Could be great value.

Miller and Harkless both have a fair amount of upside, but it's not all the time that a cold weather team like Boston has talented guys like Green eager to play here as free agents, at good value. Plus Pierce is signed for two more years.

Given the other needs on the roster, and the lack of borderline stars lining up to play in Boston at a low price, I think the 2 (or combo), 4, and 5 positions are better targets with the draft picks.

All that said, Harkless has the superior athleticism, and Miller has the superior scoring ability. Miller might be a 24 point per game scorer someday, but he'll probably always be an average or sub-par defender. No big deal, so is Carmelo. Harkless has the same upside as Jeff Green, but we already have him.

If Pierce was traded or retired, I'd look very, very closely at QMiller as a two year project for sure. Green and Pietrus can hold down the fort for next year.

I don't agree with that outlook.

Pietrus hasn't been the same since his concussion so I wouldn't be banking on bringing him back as a productive player. 

PP's contract is up in 2 years and I wouldn't want him starting at that point.  Also, who knows how his health will hold up.

Green is no lock to be starting quality either.  He may be better off the bench as a 6th man or may be lost with health issues again. 

Getting a good SF prospect this year isn't a bad idea if that's the BPA.  being able to bring in a rookie and not have to depend on them to produce their first year (as in JJJ this year with KG and Bass ahead of him) is a good position to be in.

[aporel#18]

I don't know about Harkless, he seems a good player and probably won't be there when we pick. Quincy Miller might be also gone, but his knee surgery and bad conditioning issues could make GMs back off from him, and I think he would be a steal.

He could be a great player in a couple of years, so the lack of minutes next season wouldn't be a problem.

I think Quincy Miller and Royce White are going to be quality starters on a contender, if not All Stars.

[arambone]

Jeff Green was an above average starter at SF who was stuck behind Durant and forced to play out of position at PF mostly in OKC.

We know he didn't have the smoothest mid-season adjustment fitting in with the Perk-grieving Celtics last year, but he's still an above average starting SF, and would have fit in much better under less tumultuous circumstances and with a few practices to figure out his role and gel with teammates.

This was from last summer, just before he was diagnosed with the heart condition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjZX_MBxjQk

[clover]

I dunno, Pietrus wants to come back too. Between Pierce, Green, and Pietrus, any rookie would have trouble adding much value next year at the 3.

I think Green is likely to be just fine. The procedure probably either worked or didn't. Wouldn't be surprised if he was only kept out for the year for precautionary reasons.

Green actually wants to play for the C's, apparently, so we wouldn't have to overpay him in a competitive free agent environment.

Assuming I was correct about Green being physically fine now, it would probably make sense to lock him up for 3-4 years at 7 million or so if he would sign it. Could be great value.

Miller and Harkless both have a fair amount of upside, but it's not all the time that a cold weather team like Boston has talented guys like Green eager to play here as free agents, at good value. Plus Pierce is signed for two more years.

Given the other needs on the roster, and the lack of borderline stars lining up to play in Boston at a low price, I think the 2 (or combo), 4, and 5 positions are better targets with the draft picks.

All that said, Harkless has the superior athleticism, and Miller has the superior scoring ability. Miller might be a 24 point per game scorer someday, but he'll probably always be an average or sub-par defender. No big deal, so is Carmelo. Harkless has the same upside as Jeff Green, but we already have him.

If Pierce was traded or retired, I'd look very, very closely at QMiller as a two year project for sure. Green and Pietrus can hold down the fort for next year.

I don't agree with that outlook.

Pietrus hasn't been the same since his concussion so I wouldn't be banking on bringing him back as a productive player. 

PP's contract is up in 2 years and I wouldn't want him starting at that point.  Also, who knows how his health will hold up.

Green is no lock to be starting quality either.  He may be better off the bench as a 6th man or may be lost with health issues again. 

Getting a good SF prospect this year isn't a bad idea if that's the BPA.  being able to bring in a rookie and not have to depend on them to produce their first year (as in JJJ this year with KG and Bass ahead of him) is a good position to be in.

I agree re: Pietrus.  My hope of course is that the C's win it all and then Pietrus can be the Posey of 2012: everyone will regret seeing Danny let him go, but he'll cash in on a long-term contract above the level he'll play at from here on out.

[CFAN38]

Jeff Green and Pietrus should in no way effect if the Cs draft a SF in this draft.

I expect/hope for Jeff to come back healthy and be a key piece of this franchise for years to come. At 25 he is just coming into his prime.

Either Harkless or Miller would be solid picks at 21 or 22. Both guys have high upsides with great height and length at the 3. I think Harkless is more of a can't miss player over miller because of his added bulk and production in college but Miller is the more dynamic offensive player. I wouldn't be shocked to see either player developing to a near allstar talent in the right situation.

If Green solidifies himself as the next starting 3 after pierce then either Harkless or Miller could developed into an excellent 6th man. The combined size of either player and Green could lead to a hybrid lineup with both starting forwards being 3/4 type guys (especially if Moe's rebounding can translate to the NBA.

Watching last nights game with the Cs playing Pietrus at the 4 it is not a stretch to think of Rondo leadinga team with AB at SG and two 6'8-6'9 long athletic 3/4 forwards (J Green + Harkless/Miller). Add to that group a rebounding big man and the next generation celtics would be an exciting team to watch.

[arambone]

It could be John Henson. It just might be. top 20 teams have needs in the back court.

[clover]

DraftExpress just listed best and worst case scenarios for their draft prospects:

Harkless's best case? Trevor Ariza

Miller's best case? "Poor man's Kevin Durant"

[Evantime34]

Quincy Miller. He is long can shoot and has good moves on offense. In HS he was a very good athlete before he blew out his knee. Usually after a torn ACL it take 2 years to get back to what you were before. This year will be his second year after the injury and I believe it will show. They are both young and raw but since we haven't seen Quincy Miller's full athlecism I believe he has a higher ceiling.

[ManUp]

Jeff Green was an above average starter at SF who was stuck behind Durant and forced to play out of position at PF mostly in OKC.

We know he didn't have the smoothest mid-season adjustment fitting in with the Perk-grieving Celtics last year, but he's still an above average starting SF, and would have fit in much better under less tumultuous circumstances and with a few practices to figure out his role and gel with teammates.

This was from last summer, just before he was diagnosed with the heart condition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjZX_MBxjQk

What part of Jeff Green's game is above average? His scoring, rebounding, and passing certainly aren't. As of right now he's a good bench player and decent starter, but he's not above average. We shouldn't be slotting Green into our longterm plans and dismissing wings in this draft until he proves to be more than what he's shown.

[Celts Fan 92]

Jeff Green was an above average starter at SF who was stuck behind Durant and forced to play out of position at PF mostly in OKC.

We know he didn't have the smoothest mid-season adjustment fitting in with the Perk-grieving Celtics last year, but he's still an above average starting SF, and would have fit in much better under less tumultuous circumstances and with a few practices to figure out his role and gel with teammates.

This was from last summer, just before he was diagnosed with the heart condition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjZX_MBxjQk

What part of Jeff Green's game is above average? His scoring, rebounding, and passing certainly aren't. As of right now he's a good bench player and decent starter, but he's not above average. We shouldn't be slotting Green into our longterm plans and dismissing wings in this draft until he proves to be more than what he's shown.

averaging 16ppg as a third option is pretty good  he pretty much was wat harden is right now I think if u give Green a full year here he'll be above average in the 18-20 ppg range

[Finkelskyhook]

Quincy Miller. He is long can shoot and has good moves on offense. In HS he was a very good athlete before he blew out his knee. Usually after a torn ACL it take 2 years to get back to what you were before. This year will be his second year after the injury and I believe it will show. They are both young and raw but since we haven't seen Quincy Miller's full athlecism I believe he has a higher ceiling.

Quincy Miller sounds like Bill Walker with a little more length

[ManUp]

Jeff Green was an above average starter at SF who was stuck behind Durant and forced to play out of position at PF mostly in OKC.

We know he didn't have the smoothest mid-season adjustment fitting in with the Perk-grieving Celtics last year, but he's still an above average starting SF, and would have fit in much better under less tumultuous circumstances and with a few practices to figure out his role and gel with teammates.

This was from last summer, just before he was diagnosed with the heart condition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjZX_MBxjQk

What part of Jeff Green's game is above average? His scoring, rebounding, and passing certainly aren't. As of right now he's a good bench player and decent starter, but he's not above average. We shouldn't be slotting Green into our longterm plans and dismissing wings in this draft until he proves to be more than what he's shown.

averaging 16ppg as a third option is pretty good  he pretty much was wat harden is right now I think if u give Green a full year here he'll be above average in the 18-20 ppg range

16 points on big minutes with below average efficiency and average/below average contributions in other statistical categories. Look at Thaddeus Youngs numbers and tell me he's not better than Jeff Green. I doubt anyone will say he's a future 18 point per game scorer or would have him starting on a contender.

[Galeto]

Harkless would be a nice upside prospect to nab with the 21 or 22 pick but I'd take Miller over him every time.  If Miller had been healthy, he might go no.2 right now in the draft.  There wouldn't be another guy with his physical tools and skill level.  So many of the top prospects after Davis are dinged by questions of size, shooting ability, athleticism, motor and so on.  Miller would standout in that crowd if he had been healthy.  Playing very tentatively and with little explosiveness, he still managed to put up a halfway decent freshman season.  He's got a lot more to show if he can regain the athleticism he had before tearing his ACL.

I thought a scout or GM David Aldridge quoted in his draft feature on small forwards had a great line about Miller, saying that it looked like Miller hadn't properly rehabbed his knee and that it looked like his leg had atrophied.  With how frail he looked overall, that rings true.  This shouldn't be a problem with professional trainers getting on him.  It makes me more optimistic that the slow, tentative version of Miller isn't permanent.

Apparently he's looking more like his pre-injury self lately.  If that's the case, the Celtics might have to trade up to get him.