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Re: draft express recent mock 2/24
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2012, 04:05:46 PM »

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But playing zone full-time does screwy things to numbers, both for players and their opponents.

I think it inflates defensive numbers if anything.  It covers lack of mobility.  Man to Man takes athletic ability in spades.  It is much easier to defend in the zone.   Rebounding is probably lessoned in the zone.

The two guys Fab reminds me of are  Patrick O'Bryant  and Hasheem Thabeet.  Both guys were tall and from big time programs.  People took chances on them and they were the same type of guys.

Bud, is a form of address, I was using in this form of the word. 

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A form of address, usually to a boy or man, used esp. when the name of the one being addressed is not known.

I used it correctly, I am pretty sure as I don't know your name.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBk-t40Db6Y

Mixed bag on the Boards but you will note he does not elevate or move well as claimed.  His hands in particular look suspect to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VsDQpBfkrI

Shooting is suspect too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eGDBRkaLLs&feature=relmfu

Ball handling too is mixed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqALJp84Du4&feature=relmfu

He is a good shot blocker but struggles when defenders go right at him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO16SxVkjeI

He is tall and strong but most all guys will be in the pros.   Doesn't exactly play above the rim.   Take a look if you wish.

Re: draft express recent mock 2/24
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2012, 04:28:40 PM »

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So the coin toss on the Clippers pick must be coming right up?

Last year the toss was two days before the start of the C's playoff schedule.

Re: draft express recent mock 2/24
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2012, 04:31:54 PM »

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Bud, is a form of address, I was using in this form of the word. 

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A form of address, usually to a boy or man, used esp. when the name of the one being addressed is not known.

I used it correctly, I am pretty sure as I don't know your name.

I was just referencing South Park, guy.   :)


http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/165191/im-not-your-friend-guy


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The two guys Fab reminds me of are Patrick O'Bryant  and Hasheem Thabeet.  Both guys were tall and from big time programs.  People took chances on them and they were the same type of guys.

Bradley's a big-time program?  But I get your comparison.  I think Melo will be better than O'Bryant simply because he has a pulse.  O'Bryant had the tools to be very good if he had any heart. 

As for Thabeet, Melo is already better offensively - he has a legit elbow jump shot and some so-so post moves, while Thabeet's got nothing.  Defensively it's a wash or Thabeet has a slight edge. 

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He is tall and strong but most all guys will be in the pros.   Doesn't exactly play above the rim.   Take a look if you wish.

Thanks for the clips - I've seen all those games.  I think we pretty much agree to be honest; I think Melo's ceiling is a mediocre starter who's ok at most center duties but not exceptional at anything.  I wouldn't be outraged if the Cs took him but I hope there are better bigs available at our spots.  I just think the opposing C's numbers are skewed because of how Big East teams attacked the zone this year. 

Re: draft express recent mock 2/24
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2012, 04:44:27 PM »

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Clippers won the tie-break with Atlanta.

Re: draft express recent mock 2/24
« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2012, 04:46:24 PM »

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I think it inflates defensive numbers if anything.  It covers lack of mobility.  Man to Man takes athletic ability in spades.  It is much easier to defend in the zone.   Rebounding is probably lessoned in the zone.

How would playing in a zone inflate defensive numbers?  Zones tend to equate with worst rebounding.  Hence, defensive numbers would be deflated rather than inflated.

Because Melo played in a zone full-time, it's hard to read how good of a post or screen defender he'll be.  Also how foul prone.  But something that impressed me, which surprised me given the general negative vibe around him and his all around awful freshman year, is how engaged he was.  The impression I got from watching him keep his feet active, his hands up and head on a swivel is that he really cared about being the "QB" of Syracuse's defense.  He seemed to have the on-court smarts to do it too.

About his passing again, it's really underrated.  He's not Brad Miller, dishing out backcut assists but just like he was alert on defense, he had no problems seeing the floor on offense. Just being able to participate in a team's ball movement puts him ahead of a lot of other centers.  I think his basketball IQ is above average.  If that's the case, at 7 feet and good shotblocking ability, he has the chance to be a solid contributor.

Re: draft express recent mock 2/24
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2012, 01:02:21 PM »

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I like Fournier.
His size and quickness would make him an excellent 2 guard.

Does anybody remember the last French guy the Celtics were razor close to picking early in the draft?......

His name was Tony Parker. We were going to take him if Kedrick Brown wasn't available at pick # 11.
Yes I know, you're thinking 'who the hell is Kedrick Brown!?!?'

We could have had a starting combo of Pierce, Joe Johnson and Tony Parker. Some say we'd potentially be playing for banner 21-22 if that ever came to fruition.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

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Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: draft express recent mock 2/24
« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2012, 07:54:21 PM »

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I like Fournier.
His size and quickness would make him an excellent 2 guard.

Does anybody remember the last French guy the Celtics were razor close to picking early in the draft?......

His name was Tony Parker. We were going to take him if Kedrick Brown wasn't available at pick # 11.
Yes I know, you're thinking 'who the hell is Kedrick Brown!?!?'

We could have had a starting combo of Pierce, Joe Johnson and Tony Parker. Some say we'd potentially be playing for banner 21-22 if that ever came to fruition.
but only because we would have also had Antione at the 4 too  ;)