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Re: Why Jajuan isnt playing
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2012, 03:43:20 PM »

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He has talent no doubt. This kid really really really needed the pre- season to get the defense drills and become familuar with Docs system.  He does look lost on defense I'll have to admit.  But thats ok young and learning is fixable , because like AB the physical gifts are there ,he'll be valuable NBA player couple seasons down the road.
I think he will be at least as good as Jeff Green , probally better. NBA is alot about ATTITUDE and CONFIDENCE , ake D WADE...   He needs to assert himself and play his way into the lineup.

I think with Doc , you have to really earn your playing time.  Especially if you are a rookie. 
as good as jeff green, probably better  ::)
uh no way

Re: Why Jajuan isnt playing
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2012, 04:34:44 PM »

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“Well, it’s tough because we need him,” said Rivers, the man with the key to the
court. “The execution part of it is where he’s struggling. I think the basketball part,
in some ways he’s ready, not defensively, but offensively he’s clearly ready. He’ll
play in this stretch, but he has to earn everybody’s trust, not just the coaches.”
Not surprised, JaJuan needs to bulk up. Hopefully he will get stronger during the Off Season
I'm hearing "coach speak blah blah...sweet nothings blah blah...don't pay any attention to that curtain...blah blah...no good reason...blah"

Admittedly Steamer is doing ok, so maybe Doc is telling the pinky truth here, but I have my doubts.  He suited up and played Hollins in his first game and did the same thing with Marbury telling him "be yourself" so I just can't get too invested in a statement like this.

Re: Why Jajuan isnt playing
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2012, 06:32:07 PM »

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We saw last night why Johnson isn't playing. Gave us little or nothing in his brief appearance on either end.

Let's leave the rookies to Doc, and quit conflating their highly-questionable abilities, ummkay?
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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2012, 10:12:22 PM »

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hopefully he can move up to 240 or so over the summer

Re: Why Jajuan isnt playing
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2012, 11:36:46 PM »

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We saw last night why Johnson isn't playing. Gave us little or nothing in his brief appearance on either end.

Let's leave the rookies to Doc, and quit conflating their highly-questionable abilities, ummkay?


So a person gets 2 minutes of playing time once in a blue moon and you think every time he comes in he should look like KG or something? How can you question his ability when you haven't seen much of him at all? When he had a chance to play a lot of minutes when Bass went down, he played well! Earlier this season when AB was getting hardly any minutes he look downright abysmal! When Doc was forced to play AB, what do we get... a solid rotational player!
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Re: Why Jajuan isnt playing
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2012, 03:36:09 AM »

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He has talent no doubt. This kid really really really needed the pre- season to get the defense drills and become familuar with Docs system.  He does look lost on defense I'll have to admit.  But thats ok young and learning is fixable , because like AB the physical gifts are there ,he'll be valuable NBA player couple seasons down the road.
I think he will be at least as good as Jeff Green , probally better. NBA is alot about ATTITUDE and CONFIDENCE , ake D WADE...   He needs to assert himself and play his way into the lineup.

I think with Doc , you have to really earn your playing time.  Especially if you are a rookie. 
as good as jeff green, probably better  ::)
uh no way

Yeah not a chance in heck.


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Re: Why Jajuan isnt playing
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2012, 01:02:36 PM »

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We saw last night why Johnson isn't playing. Gave us little or nothing in his brief appearance on either end.

Let's leave the rookies to Doc, and quit conflating their highly-questionable abilities, ummkay?


So a person gets 2 minutes of playing time once in a blue moon and you think every time he comes in he should look like KG or something? How can you question his ability when you haven't seen much of him at all? When he had a chance to play a lot of minutes when Bass went down, he played well! Earlier this season when AB was getting hardly any minutes he look downright abysmal! When Doc was forced to play AB, what do we get... a solid rotational player!
Actually, Doc was giving minutes to Avery Bradley from the get go. When Bradley "didn't look good"(in other words was missing most of his shots, because his defense has always been stellar).

When Rondo went down he chose Bradley over Dooling and Daniels to start at the point. he defended him when he was missing shots saying they would eventually fall because everything he had seen of Bradley in practice showed Bradley could make shots. So because of his excellent defense and Doc's confidence in his offensive abilities he stuck with him and Bradley developed.

JJJ obviously is not showing enough to off the court to instill in Doc the same confidence that Bradley was able to give to Doc with his off the court play.

This is the thing SO MANY CB POSTERS DON'T GET. Players have to earn time through what they show off the court in order to get on the court. This is a time honored tradition all the way down to high school basketball. You don't get playing time to prove to the fans that the coach is right or wrong. You earn playing time by impressing the coach with your game off the court and keeping it with what you show on the court and screw what the fans think.

Doc isn't obligated to prove to the fans that his decisions are correct. He has a long history showing his decisions are correct in developing talent. When players have earned their way onto the court they get on the court. When they haven't they don't.

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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2012, 01:05:57 PM »

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Very difficult for guys who were the offensive go-to guys for back to back years in college to make the switch to being defensive-minded role-players.

At Purdue, JJJ's job was to get in position to receive the ball and shoot it once it came; he was held to light standards defensively.  He has to completely re-orient his game.  Takes time.
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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2012, 01:57:19 PM »

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This is the thing SO MANY CB POSTERS DON'T GET. Players have to earn time through what they show off the court in order to get on the court.

*Sarcasm on*  Which is why Doc has immediately played Hollins more than JJJ.  *Sarcasm off*

A guy who couldn't play on the Cavs and doesn't have the slightest clue about Boston's offensive and defensive rotations just played 13 minutes in only his second game with the team.  JJJ has only played more than 13 minutes in a game 7 times all season.

So, who doesn't get what?

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Re: Why Jajuan isnt playing
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2012, 02:06:34 PM »

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Ryan Hollins knows how to play NBA level individual and team defense.

JaJuan Johnson doesn't. That is the difference.

Re: Why Jajuan isnt playing
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2012, 02:08:04 PM »

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Ryan Hollins knows how to play NBA level individual and team defense.

JaJuan Johnson doesn't. That is the difference.

Hollins hasn't the slightest idea how Boston's defense operates.  JJJ does.  That's also a difference.

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« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2012, 02:17:49 PM »

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When Bradley "didn't look good"(in other words was missing most of his shots, because his defense has always been stellar).

And that's not actually true.  Avery has always given great effort on defense, but he really wasn't any more effective on that end of the court than offense until...wait for it...he actually got a chance to play serious minutes without looking over his shoulder for Doc to scream and yank him the game.

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« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2012, 03:04:36 PM »

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Doc needs to see what Ryan Hollins can do with the team to figure out how to best incorporate him.  That's why he's on the floor.
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Re: Why Jajuan isnt playing
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2012, 03:12:08 PM »

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Doc needs to see what Ryan Hollins can do with the team to figure out how to best incorporate him.  That's why he's on the floor.

I thought this team was trying to play its way out of the 7th spot in the playoffs?  Why worry about incorporating a guy you're never going to play in the playoffs anyway?

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« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2012, 06:55:34 PM »

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Very difficult for guys who were the offensive go-to guys for back to back years in college to make the switch to being defensive-minded role-players.

At Purdue, JJJ's job was to get in position to receive the ball and shoot it once it came; he was held to light standards defensively.  He has to completely re-orient his game.  Takes time.

I don't totally agree with this. Johnson's job wasn't just to get in position to receive the ball and shoot. He was an all around player and wasn't held to light defensive standards - he was the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year last season. He has the ability to contribute on that end.

I do agree though about the difficulty of adjusting from being the man to being a role player. That does take time. But it also takes opportunity. You still have to use guys for what they can give you when you are as shorthanded as the Celtics are. If Doc thinks Johnson is ready to give an offensive contribution, why not try to take advantage of that offensive ability? He does it all the time giving playing time to guys who can fit in defensively but are atrocious on offense (e.g., Dooling, Daniels for the last three years).

I think Doc needs to find a balance because bench scoring has been a significant problem for this team for years. In the end I just don't believe that Doc brings the best out of his young players. His method appears to be simply not to play them at all if they don't do things his way, even though "his" way - until Garnett and Ray Allen came to town to join Pierce - was not a very successful way.
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