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Re: What would you have done on the deadline?
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2012, 11:18:03 AM »

Offline Boris Badenov

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I was initially on the "trade everyone" bandwagon, but I now see two advantages of waiting - even in full rebuild mode:

1. If we hang onto our guys and give them one more run, PP and Rondo are happier. This may help recruiting free agents, and improve Danny's reputation around the league.

2. If we decide to blow it up, we may be able to re-sign Ray and KG then flip them at the deadline this summer. (Or, we can sign and trade them assuming that's possible.

Re: What would you have done on the deadline?
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2012, 11:21:19 AM »

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Beasley might be able to be a good player in the nba if he is surrounded by good environment, teammates & coaches

I think so too. Good luck to him.

My hope was that we would have at least picked up servicable players for the expiring contracts of the wounded JO and Wilcox.  Not even stars or anything, just rotation players that could fill spots, play roles, and eat some minutes while KG rests.  IMO, the cost to do that (in 2nd round picks and cash to make it happen) would be the price Wyc would have for postseason games this season.

Not sure what Camby went for, but imagine him next to KG for 25 minutes.  Holy crap.  He's ancient, but would fit in perfectly.  I'd have taken any rebounding big, actually.

I guess we're hoping for Turiaf now?

I kind of thought that too but what was available? I was really high on the Okafor + 1st rumor. Even if we had to give up a 1st, it'd be a pretty good move. JJ Hickson was being given away. I have a feeling Camby is worth more than you think. He's still an above average center.

Size and scoring off the bench are our weaknesses. Turiaf and Terrence Williams both happened to be waived. I have a feeling Danny knew something.

Re: What would you have done on the deadline?
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2012, 11:23:32 AM »

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I would have traded a first and say JO for a big man. I would have called OKC about getting Perk back in my search. I would have wanted to go into the locker room and told the group that I just gave them a realistic shot rather than letting them go into the fight so poorly armed as they are right now. I think it would be worth and even a second to get a big man who can actually play ok.

Re: What would you have done on the deadline?
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2012, 11:34:16 AM »

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Beasley might be able to be a good player in the nba if he is surrounded by good environment, teammates & coaches

I think so too. Good luck to him.

My hope was that we would have at least picked up servicable players for the expiring contracts of the wounded JO and Wilcox.  Not even stars or anything, just rotation players that could fill spots, play roles, and eat some minutes while KG rests.  IMO, the cost to do that (in 2nd round picks and cash to make it happen) would be the price Wyc would have for postseason games this season.

Not sure what Camby went for, but imagine him next to KG for 25 minutes.  Holy crap.  He's ancient, but would fit in perfectly.  I'd have taken any rebounding big, actually.

I guess we're hoping for Turiaf now?

I kind of thought that too but what was available? I was really high on the Okafor + 1st rumor. Even if we had to give up a 1st, it'd be a pretty good move. JJ Hickson was being given away. I have a feeling Camby is worth more than you think. He's still an above average center.

Size and scoring off the bench are our weaknesses. Turiaf and Terrence Williams both happened to be waived. I have a feeling Danny knew something.

Possible.  Danny was surely not giving up picks, which would have surely greased the wheels on a deal.  JO+Clips pick for Milsap would have been something I would have pushed, and I'd have been happy to have Milsap from Utah going forward.  There are some players that I would have given up a 1st to get.

Re: What would you have done on the deadline?
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2012, 11:52:22 AM »

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I was initially on the "trade everyone" bandwagon, but I now see two advantages of waiting - even in full rebuild mode:

1. If we hang onto our guys and give them one more run, PP and Rondo are happier. This may help recruiting free agents, and improve Danny's reputation around the league.

2. If we decide to blow it up, we may be able to re-sign Ray and KG then flip them at the deadline this summer. (Or, we can sign and trade them assuming that's possible.

I wonder how true this is. Tommy was saying something about it last night about "loyalty" in a franchise and although Tommy says a lot I wonder if any of it holds true?

Even if you argue that he traded away perkins/no loyalty he still traded him to a contender and respectable franchise and he go what some would call extremely good value at the time (green, Krstic first rounder).

Some of these teams just dump guys left and right and after not  very long periods of time. I mean the Nuggets just signed Nene and now they traded him to the god awful wizards. That can't look good to potential signings for denver

Re: What would you have done on the deadline?
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2012, 12:00:09 PM »

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I would have done exactly what Ainge did... Make calls ask around, see what deals were available... If nothing was availale that made us better, then stand pat. Just dont make a deal for the sake of making a deal. I trust that Danny searched hard and that there was nothing on the table to make us better... job well done.

Re: What would you have done on the deadline?
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2012, 12:54:54 PM »

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Try to move JO + Keyon to Minnesota for Beasley + Randolph. Add 1 or 2 second rounders, but no first round pick (that'd probably be trade breaker).

Not much else. Jason Thompson is playing well for the Kings, so they'd probably ask too much for him. Washington got Nene for McGee, so there's no way the Celtics beat that offer.

Moving Quis or Sasha like Danny did with Gody/Erden made more sense (imo) than last year, but probably there wasn't any chance to do so. Danny will waive/buy out some of them to make room for one(two) big(s).

I'm not satisfied with the outcome, but at least Danny sticks with his "summer of 2012 clear room" plan. And we still have 2 first rounders who could bring a couple of young studs.

Celtics get: Beasley + Randolph
TWolves get: JO, Dooling + 2 2nd rounders

Would Minnesota have done likely done that trade? Does the $ match up? I would take that all day.

Minnesota wanted a #1 for Beasely and since they didn't get that he wasn't traded.  They didn't want to pick up salary.  So why would they then trade another asset for even less than that? 

Re: What would you have done on the deadline?
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2012, 12:58:42 PM »

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I'm sure DA did his research and checked on many different options.  He siad from the beginning that he wasn't going to sacrifice the future for a short term gain.  That's what he ended up doing.  I would have liked for him to pick up a big (like Hickson) for a 2nd and a player to match up salaries.  Obviously that wasn't an option or he would have done it.  So now we look at the buyout/release route and the D League. 

Re: What would you have done on the deadline?
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2012, 01:01:47 PM »

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I was initially on the "trade everyone" bandwagon, but I now see two advantages of waiting - even in full rebuild mode:

1. If we hang onto our guys and give them one more run, PP and Rondo are happier. This may help recruiting free agents, and improve Danny's reputation around the league.

2. If we decide to blow it up, we may be able to re-sign Ray and KG then flip them at the deadline this summer. (Or, we can sign and trade them assuming that's possible.

I wonder how true this is. Tommy was saying something about it last night about "loyalty" in a franchise and although Tommy says a lot I wonder if any of it holds true?

Even if you argue that he traded away perkins/no loyalty he still traded him to a contender and respectable franchise and he go what some would call extremely good value at the time (green, Krstic first rounder).

Some of these teams just dump guys left and right and after not  very long periods of time. I mean the Nuggets just signed Nene and now they traded him to the god awful wizards. That can't look good to potential signings for denver

And, Danny traded Perkins because he assumed Perk would leave anyway after the season was up.

I guess the same might be true for Ray, so I bet they could have traded him without too much damage - he would have gone to a contender too.

It is something, though. For better or worse, a big part of the franchise reputation is history and continuity with its core guys. It might be our only edge over the Lakers.

Re: What would you have done on the deadline?
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2012, 01:45:40 PM »

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I'm hoping we can secure Emeke Okefor, resign Kevin Garnett for 2 years (even if it means paying him more money) and put in an offer for an Eric Gordon type.   Position ourselves for a free agent run after Pierce/Garnett's contracts run out.

Personally, I would of JJJ, Moore, a number 1, and complete cap room for Okefor and Gordon.

Re: What would you have done on the deadline?
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2012, 01:59:42 PM »

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I'm hoping we can secure Emeke Okefor, resign Kevin Garnett for 2 years (even if it means paying him more money) and put in an offer for an Eric Gordon type.   Position ourselves for a free agent run after Pierce/Garnett's contracts run out.

Personally, I would of JJJ, Moore, a number 1, and complete cap room for Okefor and Gordon.

Wy even post this?  Gordon is not nor was he ever going to be traded by NO.  He is a RFA and they are going to resign or match any offer for him...

Re: What would you have done on the deadline?
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2012, 02:04:38 PM »

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I start with the assumption that to get a useful player (say someone like Camby) was going to cost at least a 1 Rnd pick plus maybe a young player (Bradley, JJJ, Moore).  With that, I would rather keep the pick/player vs. a rental.

The second assumption is that we could not get enough back for Ray to beat who we might be able to sign with the space this off season.  Much like we weren't willing to give up a good pick or young player for a rental vet, I don't think other teams were either (other than the Lakers who were giving away picks left and right).

So based on that, why would we start selling off the parts of the team?  We have a very marketable team that is going to likely make the playoffs.  People will still buy tickets to see KG, Ray, etc but if we dumped them, we are not nearly the draw and no better off in the long run (based on what it appears we could have gotten back).

This was a decision based on part business and part basketball.  Let the big 3 play out the tour and do your wheeling and dealing at the draft and free agents.

Re: What would you have done on the deadline?
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2012, 02:08:27 PM »

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I'm hoping we can secure Emeke Okefor, resign Kevin Garnett for 2 years (even if it means paying him more money) and put in an offer for an Eric Gordon type.   Position ourselves for a free agent run after Pierce/Garnett's contracts run out.

Personally, I would of JJJ, Moore, a number 1, and complete cap room for Okefor and Gordon.

Wy even post this?  Gordon is not nor was he ever going to be traded by NO.  He is a RFA and they are going to resign or match any offer for him...

Because I am not certain if the league would match a Max offer for him and the ability to get out  of approximately 80 million of long term commitments would be intriguing I bet

Re: What would you have done on the deadline?
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2012, 02:09:48 PM »

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Would have made sure Dooling and JO and Quisy were no longer on the team.

Re: What would you have done on the deadline?
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2012, 02:33:01 PM »

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I would have loved to get Gerald Wallace, but there's no way we could have competed with NJ.  Maybe Camby if they would have been interested in our expirings instead of Houston's (doubtful).  Otherwise, I didn't see any deals that were made that I would have loved for us. 



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