Trade Deadline Summary

[hpantazo]

On the flipside, for a very bad rebounding team with no center, i can't believe the C's kept the core together but didn't give up expirings and a 2nd rounder or two for Camby. Terrible.

No way Portland takes JO and Wilcox over Flynn and Thabeet. No way.

Well, all 4 suck, but i see that. But we could have offered 2 second rounders, or JJJ or Bradley in the package.

Yeah but Danny said he does not want to give up future assets.

True, but if that's what he's doing, he should collect future assets. He's stuck in no man's land, 15-20 range, going neither direction. Either compete this year or start collecting as many assets as possible.

two 1st rounders and a ton of cap space along with Rondo are assets. People around here just tend to discard them.

Right. So he could cash a little of that in (like JJJ and a couple second rounders) to really help THIS year's team.

Or

He could deal some of this years team for Rondo, MORE 1st rounders (this year or future) and the same amount of capspace while also IMPROVING one of those 1st rounders. Instead he chose status quo: 7th or 8th seed, average to below average pick.

your assuming those type of deals were available for what we had to offer, and there is no proof of that. Chances are teams tried to lowball us and/or offer us contracts that would eat our cap space.

[hpantazo]

A. Sherrod Blakely
Also In Boston Celtics
#CelticsTalk: More from #Celtics coach Doc Rivers on the trading deadline: "If we could have gotten a big, we would have gotten that. I just think this is a strange year. The way everyone is projecting this draft to be so strong, no one wanted to give up picks. And all the deals from everybody, had that in mind."

[Fan from VT]

poor nene haha

I wonder what will happen there. Maybe Stan van Gundy will be fired if he's worn out his welcome there, and get hired in Washington. Or even D'Antoni. So it'll be Wall, Nene, lots of capspace, and possibly one of those coaches instead. But they need somewone to hold Wall accountable and coach him well soon.

[Fan from VT]

On the flipside, for a very bad rebounding team with no center, i can't believe the C's kept the core together but didn't give up expirings and a 2nd rounder or two for Camby. Terrible.

No way Portland takes JO and Wilcox over Flynn and Thabeet. No way.

Well, all 4 suck, but i see that. But we could have offered 2 second rounders, or JJJ or Bradley in the package.

Yeah but Danny said he does not want to give up future assets.

True, but if that's what he's doing, he should collect future assets. He's stuck in no man's land, 15-20 range, going neither direction. Either compete this year or start collecting as many assets as possible.

two 1st rounders and a ton of cap space along with Rondo are assets. People around here just tend to discard them.

Right. So he could cash a little of that in (like JJJ and a couple second rounders) to really help THIS year's team.

Or

He could deal some of this years team for Rondo, MORE 1st rounders (this year or future) and the same amount of capspace while also IMPROVING one of those 1st rounders. Instead he chose status quo: 7th or 8th seed, average to below average pick.

your assuming those type of deals were available for what we had to offer, and there is no proof of that. Chances are teams tried to lowball us and/or offer us contracts that would eat our cap space.

Well, Lakers gave 2 1sts away, Clippers gave a future one away for a worse player than Allen for an immediate contender (getting future picks is a great way to set yourself up to luck into a top pick), Camby was gotten for basically nothing, Nets gave away expirings and a potential 4th pick for a SF who can opt out after this season. Spurs dealt a 1st rounder for a player worse than Ray. So yes, I'm assuming there were deals to be had, because there were.

[hpantazo]

On the flipside, for a very bad rebounding team with no center, i can't believe the C's kept the core together but didn't give up expirings and a 2nd rounder or two for Camby. Terrible.

No way Portland takes JO and Wilcox over Flynn and Thabeet. No way.

Well, all 4 suck, but i see that. But we could have offered 2 second rounders, or JJJ or Bradley in the package.

Yeah but Danny said he does not want to give up future assets.

True, but if that's what he's doing, he should collect future assets. He's stuck in no man's land, 15-20 range, going neither direction. Either compete this year or start collecting as many assets as possible.

two 1st rounders and a ton of cap space along with Rondo are assets. People around here just tend to discard them.

Right. So he could cash a little of that in (like JJJ and a couple second rounders) to really help THIS year's team.

Or

He could deal some of this years team for Rondo, MORE 1st rounders (this year or future) and the same amount of capspace while also IMPROVING one of those 1st rounders. Instead he chose status quo: 7th or 8th seed, average to below average pick.

your assuming those type of deals were available for what we had to offer, and there is no proof of that. Chances are teams tried to lowball us and/or offer us contracts that would eat our cap space.

Well, Lakers gave 2 1sts away, Clippers gave a future one away for a worse player than Allen for an immediate contender (getting future picks is a great way to set yourself up to luck into a top pick), Camby was gotten for basically nothing, Nets gave away expirings and a potential 4th pick for a SF who can opt out after this season. Spurs dealt a 1st rounder for a player worse than Ray. So yes, I'm assuming there were deals to be had, because there were.

not for what we had to offer, they weren't

"A. Sherrod Blakely
Also In Boston Celtics
#CelticsTalk: More from #Celtics coach Doc Rivers on the trading deadline: "If we could have gotten a big, we would have gotten that. I just think this is a strange year. The way everyone is projecting this draft to be so strong, no one wanted to give up picks. And all the deals from everybody, had that in mind.""

[Lucky17]

Already discussed how Houston's offer for Camby beats Boston's.

Clippers traded Cook and a 2nd for Young, not a 1st.

Should Ainge have traded for Young? Maybe. I don't think a chucker like Young is what the Celtics need, though.

Should Ainge have traded Allen for Foye, Cook, Gomes, and a 2nd? No. Ray Allen is worth more than expirings and a 2nd rounder.

Should Ainge have traded Ray for Richard Jefferson and a 1st? No. Jefferson's deal is much too long, and the 1st rounder projects to be in the mid 20s.

[Fan from VT]

On the flipside, for a very bad rebounding team with no center, i can't believe the C's kept the core together but didn't give up expirings and a 2nd rounder or two for Camby. Terrible.

No way Portland takes JO and Wilcox over Flynn and Thabeet. No way.

Well, all 4 suck, but i see that. But we could have offered 2 second rounders, or JJJ or Bradley in the package.

Yeah but Danny said he does not want to give up future assets.

True, but if that's what he's doing, he should collect future assets. He's stuck in no man's land, 15-20 range, going neither direction. Either compete this year or start collecting as many assets as possible.

two 1st rounders and a ton of cap space along with Rondo are assets. People around here just tend to discard them.

Right. So he could cash a little of that in (like JJJ and a couple second rounders) to really help THIS year's team.

Or

He could deal some of this years team for Rondo, MORE 1st rounders (this year or future) and the same amount of capspace while also IMPROVING one of those 1st rounders. Instead he chose status quo: 7th or 8th seed, average to below average pick.

your assuming those type of deals were available for what we had to offer, and there is no proof of that. Chances are teams tried to lowball us and/or offer us contracts that would eat our cap space.

Well, Lakers gave 2 1sts away, Clippers gave a future one away for a worse player than Allen for an immediate contender (getting future picks is a great way to set yourself up to luck into a top pick), Camby was gotten for basically nothing, Nets gave away expirings and a potential 4th pick for a SF who can opt out after this season. Spurs dealt a 1st rounder for a player worse than Ray. So yes, I'm assuming there were deals to be had, because there were.

not for what we had to offer, they weren't

"A. Sherrod Blakely
Also In Boston Celtics
#CelticsTalk: More from #Celtics coach Doc Rivers on the trading deadline: "If we could have gotten a big, we would have gotten that. I just think this is a strange year. The way everyone is projecting this draft to be so strong, no one wanted to give up picks. And all the deals from everybody, had that in mind.""

So that's some coach's spin, but both vets with size and picks were moved today, so choose who to believe i guess.

[LooseCannon]

True, but if that's what he's doing, he should collect future assets. He's stuck in no man's land, 15-20 range, going neither direction. Either compete this year or start collecting as many assets as possible.

I stand by my contention that if Ainge wanted to avoid taking on a bad contract for next season, then Ray Allen to Indiana for a second round pick was probably the best asset that Boston could acquire.

Should Ainge have traded Allen for Foye, Cook, Gomes, and a 2nd? No. Ray Allen is worth more than expirings and a 2nd rounder.

As a rental, Ray Allen is worth exactly expiring contracts and a 2nd rounder or non-expiring contracts of players who are not youngsters with more than minimal upside and a first round pick.

[hpantazo]

Already discussed how Houston's offer for Camby beats Boston's.

Clippers traded Cook and a 2nd for Young, not a 1st.

Should Ainge have traded for Young? Maybe. I don't think a chucker like Young is what the Celtics need, though.

Should Ainge have traded Allen for Foye, Cook, Gomes, and a 2nd? No. Ray Allen is worth more than expirings and a 2nd rounder.

Should Ainge have traded Ray for Richard Jefferson and a 1st? No. Jefferson's deal is much too long, and the 1st rounder projects to be in the mid 20s.

exactly, well put Lucky. From the other perpective, the Clips got Nick Young for Cook and a 2nd. Should they have traded Bledsoe, Foye, and a 1st for an older Ray Allen instead? Which deal was more attractive to them?

[hpantazo]

On the flipside, for a very bad rebounding team with no center, i can't believe the C's kept the core together but didn't give up expirings and a 2nd rounder or two for Camby. Terrible.

No way Portland takes JO and Wilcox over Flynn and Thabeet. No way.

Well, all 4 suck, but i see that. But we could have offered 2 second rounders, or JJJ or Bradley in the package.

Yeah but Danny said he does not want to give up future assets.

True, but if that's what he's doing, he should collect future assets. He's stuck in no man's land, 15-20 range, going neither direction. Either compete this year or start collecting as many assets as possible.

two 1st rounders and a ton of cap space along with Rondo are assets. People around here just tend to discard them.

Right. So he could cash a little of that in (like JJJ and a couple second rounders) to really help THIS year's team.

Or

He could deal some of this years team for Rondo, MORE 1st rounders (this year or future) and the same amount of capspace while also IMPROVING one of those 1st rounders. Instead he chose status quo: 7th or 8th seed, average to below average pick.

your assuming those type of deals were available for what we had to offer, and there is no proof of that. Chances are teams tried to lowball us and/or offer us contracts that would eat our cap space.

Well, Lakers gave 2 1sts away, Clippers gave a future one away for a worse player than Allen for an immediate contender (getting future picks is a great way to set yourself up to luck into a top pick), Camby was gotten for basically nothing, Nets gave away expirings and a potential 4th pick for a SF who can opt out after this season. Spurs dealt a 1st rounder for a player worse than Ray. So yes, I'm assuming there were deals to be had, because there were.

not for what we had to offer, they weren't

"A. Sherrod Blakely
Also In Boston Celtics
#CelticsTalk: More from #Celtics coach Doc Rivers on the trading deadline: "If we could have gotten a big, we would have gotten that. I just think this is a strange year. The way everyone is projecting this draft to be so strong, no one wanted to give up picks. And all the deals from everybody, had that in mind.""

So that's some coach's spin, but both vets with size and picks were moved today, so choose who to believe i guess.

I believe someone who was actually involved in the process. Check Lucky17's summary of who was moved for what and then tell me that we could have gotten the type of deals you are assuming we passed up.

[mqtcelticsfan]

Just not a good situation for the Celtics this year at the deadline. With the exception of the Blazers, nobody was jumping at the chance to get expiring contracts, which is what the Celtics had to offer.

[azzenfrost]

We're in a great position to get what we really need, a center, in the off season.

[jdz101]

I don't really know what the pacers are doing to be honest... They are surrounding a front line that isn't quite good enough with middle of the road role players just for the sake of it...they needed to trade some of their more valuable assets for a player who can score and lead a team... Granger just doesn't cut it in that role.

[EvilEmpire]

Thought this was a useful quick look for those that don't have the time to troll through threads:
(COURTESY OF www.cnnsi.com)

TRADE DEADLINE SUMMARY

Here are the agreed-upon deals leading up to Thursday's trade deadline:

Warriors send Ellis to Bucks for injured Bogut

• BUCKS GET: G Monta Ellis, F-C Ekpe Udoh, C Kwame Brown

• WARRIORS GET: C Andrew Bogut, G-F Stephen Jackson

***

Sixers acquire Young

• SIXERS GET: G/F Sam Young

• GRIZZLIES GET: Rights to guard Ricky Sanchez

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Pacers land Barbosa

• PACERS GET: G Leandro Barbosa, PG Anthony Carter

• RAPTORS GET: Second-round draft pick

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Lakers get Sessions

• LAKERS GET: PG Ramon Sessions, SF Christian Eyenga

• CAVALIERS GET: SF Luke Walton, 2012 first-round pick

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Blazers ship Wallace to Nets

• NETS GET: F Gerald Wallace

• TRAIL BLAZERS GET: C Mehmet Okur, F Shawne Williams, top-three protected 2012 first-round pick

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Jackson to Spurs

• SPURS GET: G-F Stephen Jackson

• WARRIORS GET: SF Richard Jefferson, 2012 first-round pick

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Rockets acquire Camby

• ROCKETS GET: C Marcus Camby

• TRAIL BLAZERS GET: C Hasheem Thabeet, G Jonny Flynn, 2012 second-round pick

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Fisher headed to Houston

• ROCKETS GET: PG Derek Fisher

• LAKERS GET: PF Jordan Hill, 2012 first-round pick (via Dallas)

***

Nene to Wizards in three-way deal:

• WIZARDS GET: C Nene

• NUGGETS GET: C JaVale McGee

• CLIPPERS GET: G-F Nick Young

Some of the trades list above have the the wrong info in them. Like the lakers receiving a pick back in the Fisher trade.

Here is a list of trades for the day via nba.com:
http://www.nba.com/news/transactions/2012-trade-deadline-tracker/index.html

[LooseCannon]

I don't really know what the pacers are doing to be honest... They are surrounding a front line that isn't quite good enough with middle of the road role players just for the sake of it...they needed to trade some of their more valuable assets for a player who can score and lead a team... Granger just doesn't cut it in that role.

I think they are waiting to see if Paul George can become the core superstar they will build around.  There seems to be some interest in preserving cap space to make a run at Eric Gordon.  I'm not sure if they believe Roy Hibbert should be part of their core.  I think they are timed to possibly take it to the next level in 2013-2014, perhaps after trading Granger as an expiring contract for the final piece they need.