Vecsey mentioned C's are targeting Beasley

[CelticG1]

Can people at least admit that Beasley would be scoring more and rebounding more than Bass?

Does bass offer anything but shooting ? I mean he's getting blocked under the rim at the same rate big baby used to

Would KC be doing better with Calderon because he is mote efficient? Well I guess some people would haha

[Celts Fan 92]

Also who off our bench can give us the 16ppg that Beasley averages for his career?

Who off the Celtics bench is going to be given 16 shots a game and play over 28 minutes a game?  (the rest of his career averages)


Especially when Pierce leads the team with just under 14 shots a game.  

fair point but I think he can provide a instant offense role tht is missing from our bench

[Kane3387]

Bass is our best offensive rebounder. I would rather move Wilcox, JO, and Johnson before Bass if we are trying to make a move that can help us win now. Otherwise I would keep Johnson. Still Bass, Beasley, and Pietrus would be a nice trio off the bench.

On March 1st guys like Quise and Pavolovic can be moved to help make some deals.

I was thinking about this one...

Three team deal between Minnesota, Lakers, and Celtics.

Lakers get Rondo, Oneal, and Moore

Celtics get Gasol, Beasley, *Ridnour

Wolves get Wilcox, Dooling, Stiemsma/Quise, and Pavlovic plus a pick.

*Ridnour has a three year deal and is the third pg behind Barea and Rubio. So they shed cap and get a pick.

I would like to keep Stiemsma over Quise but if we need a ball handler and an extra defender against Miami then Quise might be the guy to keep.
Boston would have to sign some guys who were bought out but basically you're looking at a similar situation to last year as far chemistry being a concerned. However I think Ridnour and Gasol would fit in fine in the starting lineup because of their Bball IQs.

[CelticG1]

The Bass vs. Beasley efficiency thing is pretty bogus, IMO.

As an undersized, 5'10" Power Forward, I could go 4/7 from the field shooting the wide-open 17ft jumpers that Bass shoots and have a correspondingly high efficiency with low turnovers (if, like Bass, I never looked to move the ball).

As a player with a jersey, any hope of efficiency playing in the dysfunctional mess of Minny under Rambis or in Miami in their tank/clear-the-decks-for-Lebron year would be completely unrealistic.

So let's not worry about efficiency too much.  Let's look at a proven scorer with versatile talents  against an UNDERSIZED CAREER BACKUP and realize there is a huge difference in ability between Bass and Beasley.

So far as JGreen goes, I think Paul might move to SG next year next to Green, with Beasley off the bench, or even starting.

Rondo
Pierce
Green
Beasley
Howard

And as Tommy would say, RUN BABY, RUN!

I don't agree with anything you said, from Bass's height (he's 6'6.25 without shoes, Beasley is 6'7), to you being able to hit 4/7 17fters in an NBA game, to a high efficiency mark being easy to come by (really underselling how well Bass has been playing), to Bass never looking to move the ball (Bass has an assist ratio of 7.3%, Beasley is at 6.8%, which means Beasley actually passes even less frequently than Bass, and is among the league worst mark for SF's), to players being unable to post good seasons under Rambis/Spolestra in those years (Love and Wade disagree).

TP for a rare show of civility and respect on CB by disagreeing kindly.  Usually, folks just lambast each other.

The point was to really think about what Bass brings to the table:  hitting wide-open jumpers on pick/pop plays.  It's not exactly rocket science, and they're not especially difficult shots (high school players make them).  He's a career journeyman backup 7th man who seems to embrace that role.  That's a strong reason he'll have a long career in the NBA on someone's roster.

Comparing two of the most reluctant passers in the game to each other is surely no way to make either one look good, and to compare either to franchise superstars like Wade and Love...well...I dunno.  Two superstars that put up solid individual stats on not-so-good teams in these cases...doesn't say much about either guy.

My view is essentially that Bass is an accessory piece, a complete and total role player in a backup role that can't really be very successful as a starter.  Bass is even a role player with the reserves, not a focal point that Beasley could be off the bench.  That's the bottom line, IMO.


There is a pretty big difference between a legit 6th man, who could, would, and perhaps should be a starter, and a 7th man who belongs, fits well, and embraces the role of coming off the bench.

We seem to annoint our top-scoring bench player as 6MOY contender, but if we're being seriously honest, do players like Bass (and BBD last year) compare in talent in any way near the level of Jason Terry or Lamar Odom (last season)?

Tp I think that is pretty spot on.

[snively]

Bass is our best offensive rebounder.

Nope.  JO, Wilcox, Stiemsma and even JJ (slightly) have all been better on the offensive boards this year.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Bass is our best offensive rebounder. I would rather move Wilcox, JO, and Johnson before Bass if we are trying to make a move that can help us win now. Otherwise I would keep Johnson. Still Bass, Beasley, and Pietrus would be a nice trio off the bench.

On March 1st guys like Quise and Pavolovic can be moved to help make some deals.

I was thinking about this one...

Three team deal between Minnesota, Lakers, and Celtics.

Lakers get Rondo, Oneal, and Moore

Celtics get Gasol, Beasley, *Ridnour

Wolves get Wilcox, Dooling, Stiemsma/Quise, and Pavlovic plus a pick.

*Ridnour has a three year deal and is the third pg behind Barea and Rubio. So they shed cap and get a pick.

I would like to keep Stiemsma over Quise but if we need a ball handler and an extra defender against Miami then Quise might be the guy to keep.
Boston would have to sign some guys who were bought out but basically you're looking at a similar situation to last year as far chemistry being a concerned. However I think Ridnour and Gasol would fit in fine in the starting lineup because of their Bball IQs.

That would be sweet for Boston, giving up only one quality player (Rondo) and getting back three. Sign me up.

[Who]

Michael Beasley's problem is that he makes a lot of negative contributions to his own team. He has dodgy shot selection, turns the ball over too often, weak man-to-man and team defense. Is inconsistent in his focus and effort. All areas that create negative value for his own basketball team.

He makes plenty of positive contributions too but those contributions are usually minimized by the negative ones and are completely negated by his negative contributions when Beasley plays the small forward position.

Which brings me to my two main points:

(1) These are all issues which can be improved on but that process will happen over a lengthily period of time. This could lead to very good things for Boston down the road but it will not happen for them this season.

(2) In the immediate sense, Beasley's net value as a backup PF (positive basketball plays minus negative plays; how much he improves his team) is no more than a Brandon Bass' net value is.

I am happy to support a move for Michael Beasley on the idea that he is a long term project and could be a long term piece for the club if developed as an undersized PF in the mold of a David West ... but I do not believe him to be an upgrade for this year's roster (as a backup PF replacing B.Bass).

[Yoki_IsTheName]

People don't want Beasley like they don't want Blatche on here. However we don't have a lot of stuff that people want. We have to roll the dice on broken goods.

Question is who or what is he going to cost us? Is it first a round pick and a couple of bench guys? Is it Bass? Because for me this trade will really depend on what are we giving away for Beasley.

If it is for a pick and say Wilcox I would take that, on both these guys. Both obviously needs to mature (Blatche especially being he's 25-26 already) but both has undeniable talent. Beasley can be Beast-ley on any given night and Blatche can also be a great production guy when his head is right. Both are lazy defensively but hey, we got Nate and Stephon to play acceptable to solid defense, why not these two.

As long as the deal is in that range, meaning a 1st and anyone on our bench except for Bass, I think it's worth a shot. These two are talented enough to help us big time. Of course they need to keep their head straighten up but with a veteran laden team, it's possible.

 

[csfansince60s]

The Bass vs. Beasley efficiency thing is pretty bogus, IMO.

As an undersized, 5'10" Power Forward, I could go 4/7 from the field shooting the wide-open 17ft jumpers that Bass shoots and have a correspondingly high efficiency with low turnovers (if, like Bass, I never looked to move the ball).

As a player with a jersey, any hope of efficiency playing in the dysfunctional mess of Minny under Rambis or in Miami in their tank/clear-the-decks-for-Lebron year would be completely unrealistic.

So let's not worry about efficiency too much.  Let's look at a proven scorer with versatile talents  against an UNDERSIZED CAREER BACKUP and realize there is a huge difference in ability between Bass and Beasley.

So far as JGreen goes, I think Paul might move to SG next year next to Green, with Beasley off the bench, or even starting.

Rondo
Pierce
Green
Beasley
Howard

And as Tommy would say, RUN BABY, RUN!

I don't agree with anything you said, from Bass's height (he's 6'6.25 without shoes, Beasley is 6'7), to you being able to hit 4/7 17fters in an NBA game, to a high efficiency mark being easy to come by (really underselling how well Bass has been playing), to Bass never looking to move the ball (Bass has an assist ratio of 7.3%, Beasley is at 6.8%, which means Beasley actually passes even less frequently than Bass, and is among the league worst mark for SF's), to players being unable to post good seasons under Rambis/Spolestra in those years (Love and Wade disagree).

TP for a rare show of civility and respect on CB by disagreeing kindly.  Usually, folks just lambast each other.

The point was to really think about what Bass brings to the table:  hitting wide-open jumpers on pick/pop plays.  It's not exactly rocket science, and they're not especially difficult shots (high school players make them).  He's a career journeyman backup 7th man who seems to embrace that role.  That's a strong reason he'll have a long career in the NBA on someone's roster.

Comparing two of the most reluctant passers in the game to each other is surely no way to make either one look good, and to compare either to franchise superstars like Wade and Love...well...I dunno.  Two superstars that put up solid individual stats on not-so-good teams in these cases...doesn't say much about either guy.

My view is essentially that Bass is an accessory piece, a complete and total role player in a backup role that can't really be very successful as a starter.  Bass is even a role player with the reserves, not a focal point that Beasley could be off the bench.  That's the bottom line, IMO.


There is a pretty big difference between a legit 6th man, who could, would, and perhaps should be a starter, and a 7th man who belongs, fits well, and embraces the role of coming off the bench.

We seem to annoint our top-scoring bench player as 6MOY contender, but if we're being seriously honest, do players like Bass (and BBD last year) compare in talent in any way near the level of Jason Terry or Lamar Odom (last season)?

Tp I think that is pretty spot on.

I second that emotion.

[scaryjerry]

the same fanbase that blasts rondo for inconsistency and a "bad" attitude want Michael Beasley?! ohhh the irony!

[indeedproceed]

Can people at least admit that Beasley would be scoring more and rebounding more than Bass?

No, because Bass is actually rebounding more. Beasley might score more, but it would be at a worse shooting %.

Does bass offer anything but shooting ? I mean he's getting blocked under the rim at the same rate big baby used to

Its actually worse, if you can believe it.

Would KC be doing better with Calderon because he is mote efficient? Well I guess some people would haha

KC? Kirk Cameron? He's doing God's work, I doubt Calderon would help.

[CelticG1]

the same fanbase that blasts rondo for inconsistency and a "bad" attitude want Michael Beasley?! ohhh the irony!

Ok well trading JO for beasley and trading Rondo for Gasoline is a little different.

If people were looking to trade rondo for beasley or blatch then I would start ti feel sick

[PosImpos]

Can people at least admit that Beasley would be scoring more and rebounding more than Bass?

Does bass offer anything but shooting ? I mean he's getting blocked under the rim at the same rate big baby used to

Would KC be doing better with Calderon because he is mote efficient? Well I guess some people would haha

Scoring -- maybe, but not in the flow of the offense.

Rebounding -- I doubt it.

[Inside-Out]

Can people at least admit that Beasley would be scoring more and rebounding more than Bass?

Does bass offer anything but shooting ? I mean he's getting blocked under the rim at the same rate big baby used to

Would KC be doing better with Calderon because he is mote efficient? Well I guess some people would haha

Scoring -- maybe, but not in the flow of the offense.

Rebounding -- I doubt it.

If our offense had flow, I don't think this thread would exist.

The Rivers' run dry.

[SHAQATTACK]

I like a healthy Bass over Beasley.  Unless Bass can't recover from waht ever they are not wanting to talk about ...which scares me