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is blowing it up even a viable option?
« on: February 20, 2012, 10:35:35 PM »

Offline cman88

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What exactly are we going to get for our big 3 currently?? with the way they are playing I dont think we get anything really of value in return..and with them coming off the books in 3months, its not worth Danny picking up mediocre players on long-term deals...that cap-space we have this summer is valuable in this nba

and if we really are as horrible as we look right now, why not let us play out the season that way?? we'll end up with a high pick either way..

although a part of me would rather see the big 3 broken up rather than face defeat in the 1st round as an 8thseed(then again the Knicks went to the finals as an 8 seed last lockout..)
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2012, 10:37:23 PM »

Offline Chris

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I wouldn't say it isn't viable.  But it certainly isn't easy, and really is completely out of the C's hands.

It all comes down to what other teams are willing to offer, and I just can't imagine anyone is jumping up too quickly to take on these guys and their contracts.
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2012, 10:45:19 PM »

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I think it depends on how far Danny is willing to go; if he's willing to trade away the older players for really any kind of future asset -- even late firsts, second rounders, lottery busts, decent but overpaid young players -- then I think it's certainly possible to blow this team up.
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2012, 11:08:55 PM »

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Sure it is a viable option and I hope that Danny does not reload on overpaid mediocre role players that will doom us to two or three more years of stink. I don't want to go down Golden State's path or what the Knicks used to be. Perhaps our role players will get more time and develop confidence. Doc always has the option to start different players and think outside the box. I might even sit Rondo and start Avery Bradley just to send him a message that we are all replaceable.

Right now we are beating our heads against a brick wall.
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2012, 11:14:07 PM »

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Play it out.  Tank for the lottery. Pray for the best pick. They are not a contender and really need to not make the playoffs this year.
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2012, 11:20:27 PM »

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I think blowing up means keeping Garnett and Allen as expiring contracts (unless another team gives you bigger expiring contracts and hands you a draft pick, probably a second rounder, as compensation for saving them extra million or two).  The players you trade are, in order of likely desirability assuming they are all 100% healthy, Pietrus, Bass, O'Neal, Wilcox, and Dooling.

Then, I fill the bench with D-Leaguers.  Blake Ahern, Manny Harris, and Elijah Milsap, if they are still available, are the guys on my radar. 

I think you are so unlikely to get something for Garnett/Allen that the better option is negotiating a buy-out that lets him go to a contender of their choice and take your mild savings in salary and luxury tax, if that's what they would prefer.  Keep 'em and trade 'em are not the only two options.

With Pierce, I think you wait until the off-season to trade him. if that's what you want to do.  I'd be looking at teams that were angling for Dwight Howard, missed, and want something to show for their efforts (assuming D12 doesn't come to Boston).
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2012, 11:39:24 PM »

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Quote from: LooseCannon on February 20, 2012, 11:20:27 PM
I think blowing up means keeping Garnett and Allen as expiring contracts (unless another team gives you bigger expiring contracts and hands you a draft pick, probably a second rounder, as compensation for saving them extra million or two).  The players you trade are, in order of likely desirability assuming they are all 100% healthy, Pietrus, Bass, O'Neal, Wilcox, and Dooling.

Then, I fill the bench with D-Leaguers.  Blake Ahern, Manny Harris, and Elijah Milsap, if they are still available, are the guys on my radar.  

I think you are so unlikely to get something for Garnett/Allen that the better option is negotiating a buy-out that lets him go to a contender of their choice and take your mild savings in salary and luxury tax, if that's what they would prefer.  Keep 'em and trade 'em are not the only two options.

With Pierce, I think you wait until the off-season to trade him. if that's what you want to do.  I'd be looking at teams that were angling for Dwight Howard, missed, and want something to show for their efforts (assuming D12 doesn't come to Boston).


I think Ray Allen could be movable at the deadline for something, at least.  He's not much better than a rich man's Kyle Korver at this point, but he still could have value.  

Example:  http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7s37z6n

KG's contract is probably way too big.
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2012, 11:40:54 PM »

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I would love to know just what deals DA is working on and what direction .....heck this whole situation is bad for the whole team , from the owners on down.  Makes us look ...like the Bobcats

I'm glad DA is making the big bucks and has to make these tuff decisions .

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2012, 11:44:20 PM »

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I think the best option is to wait until the last possible minute of the trading deadline to see which contenders get desperate enough to pay well for half a season of one of the big three.
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2012, 12:04:52 AM »

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IMO...we'd be better off NOT making the playoffs.   Lose a pick and get kicked by the heat like a rented mule.

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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2012, 12:10:21 AM »

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Quote from: SHAQATTACK on February 21, 2012, 12:04:52 AM
IMO...we'd be better off NOT making the playoffs.   Lose a pick and get kicked by the heat like a rented mule.


yup.

Addition by subtraction.  If you can get a late 1st rounder without taking back salary for Ray... you do it.  If you can get a 1st rounder or a young prospect + cap space for Pierce... you do it.

Improving our draft chances will improve our team long term. 
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2012, 12:13:31 AM »

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think paul and ray have value would not mind picking a bad contract if it is a baron davis cavs type deal. Heat, Bulls and thunder all beatable, nba wide open, some team is bound to see paul or ray as "missing" piece and overpay

I think danny will make a deal if they overpay, just like the perkins trade we got green, krstic and a pick. Although that deal turn as bad as it possibly could, still not as bad as some ppl make it out to be.
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2012, 12:14:10 AM »

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Quote from: LarBrd33 on February 21, 2012, 12:10:21 AM
Quote from: SHAQATTACK on February 21, 2012, 12:04:52 AM
IMO...we'd be better off NOT making the playoffs.   Lose a pick and get kicked by the heat like a rented mule.


yup.

Addition by subtraction.  If you can get a late 1st rounder without taking back salary for Ray... you do it.  If you can get a 1st rounder or a young prospect + cap space for Pierce... you do it.

Improving our draft chances will improve our team long term. 

Getting any picks or young players for either Pierce or Ray would probably mean taking on extra long term salary, though.

Still, I agree with the basic idea that it makes more sense to look toward the future rather than worry about making the playoffs this season.  All we can gain from the playoffs this season is PAINFUL memories.
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2012, 12:18:44 AM »

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no need to trade them away to "tank". u can always just sit them.
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2012, 12:19:34 AM »

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It was last year.

Oh well.
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