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The bright side...
« on: February 20, 2012, 01:09:09 AM »

Offline Yogi

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  It seems that the natural reaction to our record and how we are playing is to become depressed and propose various unrealistic, and random trades.  This is usually accompanied by a heavy dose of scapegoating.  Big Baby used to take the the brunt of the criticism, but since he's gone the blame now falls heavily on Rondo and Jermaine O'Neal.  
  I think much of the depression stems from the fact that people are looking at this team in a completely wrong way.  We are NOT a veteran team with a core that's been together for a long time.  We have exactly 4 out of 15 players who can be considered old.  We have 4 players from the championship team, 5 players (Marquis Daniels) who were Celtics in 2009, and we can add 3 more players (O'Neal, Bradley and Pavlovic) to that list who barely played at all in 2010 to that list.  Compare this to the Spurs who have very strong continuity for the last few years.  
  We should be looking at this team as a brand new team, put together recently, with a lot of new players totally unfamiliar with the system, a coach who didn't know who will be on the roster until a couple of weeks before the season, and who have not had any time to practice and develop the proper chemistry especially given the injuries.  Combine this to the fact that the team has had 3 different defensive coordinators the last three years, and a completely new system to learn on both ends of the floor, and our record starts making a lot more sense.  
   I have seen a lot of very positive things in this team.  We are currently in the process of putting all these pieces together and when we do we will be an absolutely DOMINANT team.  
1. Shooting.  We are a much better shooting team than we were last year.  Dooling, Pietrus, Bass bring excellent shooting.  Unfortunately due to injuries we have not been able to see all three of them play together.  
2. Athleticism.  Bradley, Dooling, Pietrus, Bass and Wilcox is easily the most athletic bench I remember seeing with the Celtics. This translates in to excellent pressure defense leading to more steals, blocks, deflections and offensive rebounding.  This has also lead to more dunks and fast break points than I can recall in the past few years.  
3. Defense.  We are incorporating the zone defense as a weapon to be used when advantageous.  This is a tremendous undertaking with barely any practices and a third new defensive coordinator in as many years.  Despite all this we have excellent defensive numbers across the board.  
4.  Offense:  
-Our increased athleticism combined with Rondo has already allowed us to become a very effective run and gun team.  Avery Bradley, Sasha Pavlovic, Rajon Rondo, Mikael Pietrus are all players who have already stolen the ball and gotten an easy two in transition.  
-We have had more dunks this year than I've seen in any of the past three years.
-Rondo at the post is absolutely brilliant because not only has it forced people to guard Rondo, but actually teams to double him.  This has also allowed Rondo to draw fouls and put the other team in the penalty.  It also really allows him to hit the offensive boards where he is extremely effective.  
-Jermaine O'Neal is simply an unbelievable defender.  He just keeps drawing charges and blocking shots.  
-Rondo's been looking to shoot and has been hitting the mid range shots at an acceptable clip.  Rondo has demonstrated that he can be a monster scorer if he really has to.  Not only that, he has done that while racking up assists.  I can't believe that people still doubt his ability to carry the franchise.  He continues to score very efficiently and an increase in his shot attempts have not affected his efficiency.  
-The Big three have all shown their potential but they haven't been able to do it at the same time.  Ray started the year shooting fantastically but struggled on defensive end.  He's stepped up his defense quite a bit and although his shooting has cooled off, it's still extremely efficient.  Paul started very poorly with the injuries, but was scorching hot when Rondo was out.  KG also struggled early in the season but he has steadily improved until injuries kicked in.  
-It is very difficult to develop chemistry and build a contender from a team put together in the last minute with barely a training camp and extremely limited practice time.  Doc has a very difficult job ahead of him, but all the ingredients are there.  Once we can put all these pieces together we will be an elite team.  
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Re: The bright side...
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2012, 01:12:54 AM »

Offline stylo617617

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agree to a certain sence

paul said something about this after danny let delonte go ,
that its tough to build chemistry when there's been a new team almost every season

but theres still no reason to believe we;ll find enough of chemistry to do any damage come playoff time , its only another reason not to believe in this team anymore

Re: The bright side...
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2012, 02:03:29 AM »

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Dominant? Using the zone as a weapon to our advantage? JO unbeleivable on defense?

I'm sorry but wow I don't see any of that we are using zone because we have no other choice from keeping people out of the paint and getting embarrassed. It's actually embarrassing in itself seeing us having to resort to it. Yeah JO gets some blocks and charges but he can't rebound, or box out his man and is the slowest guy in the league giving up constant back door cuts and layups all fricken day. As far dominant this team is so far from that it's sad to see looks like we all mailed it in. No confidence they are playing like they know they aren't going anywhere and dont care, you have to believe you can win we don't.
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Re: The bright side...
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2012, 04:28:04 AM »

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I agree with most of what you are saying.
They are in the middle of a slump right now, and it's particularly difficult to watch when teams like Detroit are putting the hurt on us.

The truth is we've barely had any games this season with our full playoff squad in tact because of minor niggling injuries.

I think when we've had the bench mob of Bass, Dooling, Pietrus and Wilcox going strongly then we've shown an excellent side.

We are just amazingly inconsistent this season and it's so frustrating.
Part of me thinks the vets have decided to just get to the play offs in one piece and take it from there- I'm fine with that, because we have to get past Miami and Chicago most likely anyway, so I really don't care who we play first.

The scapegoating part is true, and people don't realise how difficult it is to get a decent flow going when you're changing rotations so often.
Doc has had to try Marquis, Bradley, Moore, and even poor rookies like Steimsma and Johnson for way more minutes than any of us would really like.

We aren't contenders, but right now because of injuries (as usual with the Celtics), we need to concentrate on getting our core group of 8-9 guys ready for the Heat and Bulls.
We have extremely good outside shooting on this team and the aim is to get hot as the play offs come around.

Danny getting his hands on some kind of mobile 7 footer would do us so much good, but no one wants Steimsma or Pavolivic or Moore for anyone half decent.

All I can think of that is realistic is moving Ray Allen for Omer Asik, and moving Pietrus to the starting 2 spot- it's a move that would give us a slight chance at improving, but we lose Ray's shooting which we've needed every playoffs the past 3 years. The question is, do we need Asik's size more?
I'm going to make another topic about this in trades and ideas.
 
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: The bright side...
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2012, 04:58:55 AM »

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I would say that your glass is a little more than half full ;)

I do like that you bring out the positives of this season. And I agree that the scapegoaiting should stop. But we also are who we are, and right now this team has some flaws that need to be adressed:

JO needs to be a part of the offense. It's not enough that he plays defense. And he needs to find some sort of chemistry with Rondo. As it is, neither of them really does anything for the other on offense. Just look at how productive Wilcox is, when he is playing with Rondo. If JO can't do that, we probably need a new starting center.

Rondo needs to find the right balance between scoring and facilitating. He hasn't been asked to be a scorer in the half court offense before, but with the Big 3 averaging less and less points, we need production from our pg, center and/or bench on any given night (and that's the reason JO needs to be productive on offense).

Pierce doesn't have to do everything for us, but he seems to struggle with having a lesser role. He needs to find that too.
 
And there seems to be some issues between Rondo and Pierce that need to be sorted out. At least this is what many Celtics fans see, when they look at the team; we don't actually know what happens behind the closed doors.

The second unit needs to find that identity that seemed to be there for the winning streak. Especially the ball distribution seems to have fallen off a cliff. Maybe some Moore would help?

We still have problems with defensive rotations and rebounding that need to be adressed.

This stuff could all be sorted out, and we could achieve some consistency. Enough to be contenders? I doubt it, but I could settle for playing some watchable basketball to begin with.

Re: The bright side...
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2012, 01:54:15 PM »

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Re: The bright side...
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2012, 02:56:01 PM »

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Well, I guess time will tell then. What you say brings a very strong point not to make midseason trades which will only further damage the "Team Chemistry". I just don't know what to think anymore. I still think we will end up very disappointed in the outcome of this season and then Danny will decide to change the players in the off-season.

I don't think Jermaine O'Neal is capable of giving us what we need out of the center spot. I also think that KG is pretty well toast at this point. Paul Pierce and Rondo are getting mauled out there and turning the ball over. That chemistry has fallen apart. Other teams are making an emphasis on stopping Ray Allen and his 3 point shooting. Doc Rivers won't go to his deep bench enough because he is trying to win games with his old horses.

Still, I think the building gets torn down in March, the Celtics do not make the playoffs and start the rebuilding process this summer.
The beatings will continue until morale improves

Re: The bright side...
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2012, 04:06:47 PM »

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Well, it's not like we haven't played this badly before.  We've played this poorly for significant portions of the past two seasons and then turned it on in the playoffs. 

So it certainly still could happen.

But I wouldn't hold my breath, because even if they "turn it on" it likely won't be enough unless some crazy things happen.

...but then again, no one thought Rajon Rondo would be the one who would go down with a terrible injury last year, so it certainly could happen to LeBron this year. 

Re: The bright side...
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2012, 04:40:53 PM »

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The only bright side I see is it's a short season and it will be over sooner.