Rondo becomes non existent in the 4th

[CelticsFanNC]

Rondo ...gets us where we are going....but unlike CP3 or MJ or PP ..he can't finish the game.

Why?  FIrst , he has always had the BIG THREE to finish the game for him , to make the BIG shots and take the team on its back.

Now they are old he is the man, he brings the Celtics to the final quarter...and disappears.

Again , its his shooting, LBJ had the same problem until recently,  he couldn't finish the game at Cleveland. He came to the Heat where Wade could finish a game for him.  

Rondo , doesn't have a KILLER medium range jumper to go to , or a game winner 17 footer jumper to put the game away for the Celtics.

Rondo becomes shy , Doc wants the ball in PP hands , so its probally not all Rondos fault.

Lacking Docs confidence, his own shooting confidence and not LOOKING for his shot is KILLING the team.

The teams back off him and double up RAY and PP... only KG is tall enough to get a jumper off or Bass ...they weren't there

If we had had CP3...we would have only like 5-6 Losses this year!!

  If we had CP3 we'd still be an All-Star PG and four over the hill former stars and would have basically the same record we have now.

  This teams issues aren't at the PG spot they are at the other 4 spots.  We are at a large disadvantage athletically every single game we start our normal starting five.   The old guys with the exception of JO can still play but they cannot do so night in and night out like they could a couple of years ago.

  People need to let go of the Big Three of two or three years ago and come to grips with the Old Three as they are now.

[Fafnir]

In the fourth quarter he took 4 shots, got to the line 4 times (only made two of them), had a couple of rebounds, and an assist. This was in 8:25 of playing time, but at this point the C's were already down 7 or 8 points.

He wasn't passive, he just wasn't able to continue to carry the offense entirely on his own.

Besides as other have our defense was the issue. Our defense allowed a lot more points per possession than it has over teh course of the season. The offense was about average for the C's, even with Ray/PP poor games. Just shows you how much we need KG to anchor things defensively.

[mgent]

Another perfect example of our confusion and lack of execution in the 4th.

Rondo posted up maybe 10+ times in the game.

Down the stretch, hardly any.

Nobody ever does anything that they did in the first 3 quarters, especially if it was working for them.

If you want to waste the shot clock by not calling anything for the entire possession fine, but at least give the ball up to Paul when you're down to 10.

[esel1000]

 When the Celtics lost the lead and the Pistons took over the game early in the 4th quarter Rondo wasn't even on the floor and Pierce was running the offense.  Pierce was turning the ball over and forcing bad shots that led directly to the Pistons taking control of the game.  By the time Rondo was reinserted into the game we were down by double digits(or close to it) and we never recovered because most of the team put in no effort defensively and we couldn't get stops.

agreed...

[esel1000]

Another perfect example of our confusion and lack of execution in the 4th.

Rondo posted up maybe 10+ times in the game.

Down the stretch, hardly any.

Nobody ever does anything that they did in the first 3 quarters, especially if it was working for them.

If you want to waste the shot clock by not calling anything for the entire possession fine, but at least give the ball up to Paul when you're down to 10.

paul's off shooting night cost us the lead in the first place (with rondo on the bench). and by lead, I mean like 12-0 run...

[mgent]

Another perfect example of our confusion and lack of execution in the 4th.

Rondo posted up maybe 10+ times in the game.

Down the stretch, hardly any.

Nobody ever does anything that they did in the first 3 quarters, especially if it was working for them.

If you want to waste the shot clock by not calling anything for the entire possession fine, but at least give the ball up to Paul when you're down to 10.

paul's off shooting night cost us the lead in the first place (with rondo on the bench). and by lead, I mean like 12-0 run...

Are you sure that wasn't 4 Ben Gordon 3s?

[esel1000]

Another perfect example of our confusion and lack of execution in the 4th.

Rondo posted up maybe 10+ times in the game.

Down the stretch, hardly any.

Nobody ever does anything that they did in the first 3 quarters, especially if it was working for them.

If you want to waste the shot clock by not calling anything for the entire possession fine, but at least give the ball up to Paul when you're down to 10.

paul's off shooting night cost us the lead in the first place (with rondo on the bench). and by lead, I mean like 12-0 run...

Are you sure that wasn't 4 Ben Gordon 3s?

How do you think he got the possessions? Cs missed every opportunity. The point forward led Pierce offense broke down to start the 4th... and when the shot clock is winding down pp has a bit of a habit of taking a ridiculous shot

[Fafnir]

Are you sure that wasn't 4 Ben Gordon 3s?

Yeah his hot shooting in the fourth helped put a one possession game to a double digit affair. That's the danger when you're in a back and forth game, one run of four hit shots can do you in.

[mgent]

Another perfect example of our confusion and lack of execution in the 4th.

Rondo posted up maybe 10+ times in the game.

Down the stretch, hardly any.

Nobody ever does anything that they did in the first 3 quarters, especially if it was working for them.

If you want to waste the shot clock by not calling anything for the entire possession fine, but at least give the ball up to Paul when you're down to 10.

paul's off shooting night cost us the lead in the first place (with rondo on the bench). and by lead, I mean like 12-0 run...

Are you sure that wasn't 4 Ben Gordon 3s?

How do you think he got the possessions? Cs missed every opportunity. The point forward led Pierce offense broke down to start the 4th... and when the shot clock is winding down pp has a bit of a habit of taking a ridiculous shot

Numerous reasons, one of the bigger ones being rebounding.  Ben Wallace came in for 11 rebounds against our bench in 16 minutes.  He and Munroe were really attacking the offensive boards and Gordon got at least 1 or 2 of his 3s off of them.

JJJ and Stiemsma on the boards is going to give up possessions every time.

And I think you're wrong, I'm 99% sure the Pistons opened up their lead with Rondo, Bradley, Pietrus, and JJJ.

[Fafnir]

The Celtics were down 6 when Rondo entered the game. (really seven as Maxiel made 1 of 2 free throws Rondo entered the game after the shooting foul)

[CelticsFanNC]

Another perfect example of our confusion and lack of execution in the 4th.

Rondo posted up maybe 10+ times in the game.

Down the stretch, hardly any.

Nobody ever does anything that they did in the first 3 quarters, especially if it was working for them.

If you want to waste the shot clock by not calling anything for the entire possession fine, but at least give the ball up to Paul when you're down to 10.

paul's off shooting night cost us the lead in the first place (with rondo on the bench). and by lead, I mean like 12-0 run...

Are you sure that wasn't 4 Ben Gordon 3s?

How do you think he got the possessions? Cs missed every opportunity. The point forward led Pierce offense broke down to start the 4th... and when the shot clock is winding down pp has a bit of a habit of taking a ridiculous shot

Numerous reasons, one of the bigger ones being rebounding.  Ben Wallace came in for 11 rebounds against our bench in 16 minutes.  He and Munroe were really attacking the offensive boards and Gordon got at least 1 or 2 of his 3s off of them.

JJJ and Stiemsma on the boards is going to give up possessions every time.

And I think you're wrong, I'm 99% sure the Pistons opened up their lead with Rondo, Bradley, Pietrus, and JJJ.

  Nope.  Detroit took control when Rondo was on the bench.  Pierce was on the floor with Bradley and others.  Pierce turned the ball over a couple of times and forced a couple of terrible shots that led to a run by Detroit.

  By the time Rondo came back into the game we were down close to 10 points.