how about trading rondo to a re-bounder

Too many turnovers, poor shot selection, lethargic effort on the boards. They are an exhausted defeated team right now that shows no interest in competing. Perhaps they are inviting Danny to blow them up.

I used to think it was O'Neal but clearly he is not the scapegoat for last night though.   I think where we get owned every night is the boards of course, I also thought last night our transition D was horrible.  They looked like the show time Lakers against us in transition.   Our guys didn't get up the floor well young or old.

  This team isn't a contender even with Kaman IMO.

  Our 3 main scoring options are just too old to be relied upon to carry the load offensively night in and night out.  We used to be able to count on two of the Big Three to give us 20 points each per game and the other to chip in with 15 or so.  Now we're lucky when one of the three scores 20 and all three hit double figures.

  We don't get rebounds because our starting Bigs are old and have no lift so even when they do box out(which isn't enough), younger quicker guys with fresher legs get most of the rebounds.

  We don't get to lose balls because on most nights we are starting 4 guys in their mid to late 30's against teams with younger quicker, faster, stronger players.

  We don't get easy baskets in-spite of having one of the best open court players in the NBA today(Rondo) because no one else is capable of getting out in front of him.

  We go through scoring droughts because we take too many jump shots and jumpers don't fall when legs get tired.  Older legs tire more quickly and recover more slowly.

  If our Big Three were 30 rather then 35+, Rondo would be thriving and we'd be a contender with or without a center but that's not the case.

  This is what we signed up for the moment we went with the Big Three.  We knew there was a limited shelf life.  They actually gave us a couple of more years of viability then most thought when this all began in the summer of 2007.  It's no ones fault.  It is what it is.

Quote from: CelticsFanNC on February 11, 2012, 09:48:03 AM

 This team isn't a contender even with Kaman IMO.

  Our 3 main scoring options are just too old to be relied upon to carry the load offensively night in and night out.  We used to be able to count on two of the Big Three to give us 20 points each per game and the other to chip in with 15 or so.  Now we're lucky when one of the three scores 20 and all three hit double figures.

  We don't get rebounds because our starting Bigs are old and have no lift so even when they do box out(which isn't enough), younger quicker guys with fresher legs get most of the rebounds.

  We don't get to lose balls because on most nights we are starting 4 guys in their mid to late 30's against teams with younger quicker, faster, stronger players.

  We don't get easy baskets in-spite of having one of the best open court player in the NBA today(Rondo) because no one else is capable of getting out in front of him.

  We go through scoring droughts because we take too many jump shots and jumpers don't fall when older legs get tired

  If our Big Three were 30 rather then 35+, Rondo would be thriving and we'd be a contender with or without a center but that's not the case.

  This is what we signed up for the moment we went with the Big Three.  We knew there was a limited shelf life.  They actually gave us a couple of more years of viability then most thought when this all began in the summer of 2007.  It's no ones fault.  It is what it is.

I'm not really sure, either (of course).

But I think on offense, not having Rondo makes everyone else a triple-threat, and the ball moves better through EVERYONE's hands.

On defense, the team is much better with Bradley defending the point, and his energy gets those old timers going.

So there is the possibility at least of addition by subtraction, as crazy as that sounds.

Kaman would move JO to a reserve role, which would be perfect for him, and gives us another scorer.  Or at least one scorer in the paint.

Pierce would be a 20/6/6 guy, and KG, Ray, Kaman, and Bass would each be in double figures.  So if we were contenders, it would be in the mold of those Pistons teams of the last decade, which is as much as we can hope for now, IMO.

  Personally I don't believe Pierce can average 20ppg because there are night when his shot just isn't falling because he doesn't have the legs.  He can still go for 30+ when everything is right but those nights aren't going to happen often in this compressed season.

  Bradley is more of a liability on offense then Rondo is on his worst nights(like last night).  His ball pressure is excellent but he still has much to learn in terms of team defense and running an offense.

  Personally I don't think we have a very good chance of signing an elite, franchise changing FA this off season but any chance we have goes out the window if we trade Rondo and don't get a player who is as good or better and also youngish in return.  No one is coming here to play with the old folks home.   Rondo is our only All-Star level player who can continue to play at that level for the foreseeable future so we need to be very careful what and whom we deal him for.

  Rondo/Pierce(who still has gas left)/Doc is a whole lot more appealing IMO then a ton of cap space and Doc plus the "over the hill gang".  One of the best things about Rondo is his value. He has one of the most reasonable contracts in the NBA today. 

  Just my opinion though.

  

our bigs dont box out and we dont rebound...I cant tell you how many times i've seen the celtics play good defense for 24seconds and then give up an easy tip in.

add that to the fact that no one else wants to go to the rim or can run with rondo and theres our problem

kaman is not the answer, the same way people bothered with the troy murphy sweepstakes last year, aren't we tired of these gambles which evidently  are not answering our cause? we should play as a team, quit blaming one individual because as far as i know there are 5 guys on the court, not just one, one can't survive without each other, so why not instead they work& improve together?