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Idea: BOSTON,OKC,MEMPHIS trade
« on: February 06, 2012, 08:26:48 AM »

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Celtics do this because: It's a great way for us to get a good point guard, and a VERY good shooting guard for the future.
James Harden is a potential all star and OJ Mayo could be a very solid starting point guard. His position in Memphis is shooting guard but in college he was a top 3 point guard in the nation. Tony Allen starting at the 2 spot means they need OJ's scoring off the bench and he's kind of been force-moulded to play the position as an undersized scoring wing player.
OJ comes to Boston and gets to play his preferred point guard spot and we have a very good scoring guard combo punch of OJ+Harden.
OKC does this because they have always talked about Westbrook not passing enough and taking shots from Durant.
They can shift Westbrook to the 2 spot, Durant to the 3, and have Rondo getting everyone the ball.
This is great for OKC because Rondo's ability to get Perkins and Ibaka the ball on penetration means they get more offensive production out of their big men, it also means that Rondo is the ball captain, not Westbrook, so Durant gets even more of the ball which is only a good thing.
Westbrook and Rondo and Durant running the floor together would be amazing to watch.
They can bring Sefalosha off the bench to replace Harden as the 6th man.
Memphis does this because they get a first round pick, a solid back up center, and a potential replacement for OJ in Etwaun Moore. Memphis is least likely to make this deal but if you throw in the first round pick I think they take it.
(correct me if I'm wrong but OJ can walk at the end of the season anyway).

Celtics receive:
OJ Mayo
James Harden

OKC receives:
Rajon Rondo
Greg Steimsma

Memphis receives:
Etwaun Moore
Cole Aldrich
Royal Ivery
Boston Celtics first round pick 2012.

This leaves us with a starting five of:
PG:OJ Mayo
SG:Harden
SF:Pierce
PF:KG/Bass
C: ? Free agent or a fill in until a top dollar center is available.

Get Jeff Green, Ray, KG coming off the bench with Johnson, Bradley and Pietrus and we are looking pretty good once we get a solid center in Dwight Howard  ;D

I think OJ would be at his best at the point guard position, he can become a Westbrook type PG but is a better passer/facilitator whislt being able to hit the open jumpshots that Rondo struggles with.

Don't crucify me please....
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Re: Idea: BOSTON,OKC,MEMPHIS trade
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2012, 09:01:04 AM »

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I don't think Boston or Oklahoma City do these trades.  Neither makes much sense for them.
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Re: Idea: BOSTON,OKC,MEMPHIS trade
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2012, 09:01:56 AM »

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Boston trade Rondo for two SGs?
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Re: Idea: BOSTON,OKC,MEMPHIS trade
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2012, 09:14:27 AM »

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Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:01:56 AM
Boston trade Rondo for two SGs?

Dunno if you read the post, but we put Mayo at the PG spot (as he was in college and before the NBA), with Harden at the two spot.
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Re: Idea: BOSTON,OKC,MEMPHIS trade
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2012, 09:15:14 AM »

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Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:14:27 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:01:56 AM
Boston trade Rondo for two SGs?

Dunno if you read the post, but we put Mayo at the PG spot (as he was in college and before the NBA), with Harden at the two spot.



He is a SG in the NBA. 
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Re: Idea: BOSTON,OKC,MEMPHIS trade
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2012, 09:22:07 AM »

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Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:15:14 AM
Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:14:27 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:01:56 AM
Boston trade Rondo for two SGs?

Dunno if you read the post, but we put Mayo at the PG spot (as he was in college and before the NBA), with Harden at the two spot.



He is a SG in the NBA. 

Ok you have the final say I guess he'll always be an undersized 2 guard and never play PG ever again.
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Re: Idea: BOSTON,OKC,MEMPHIS trade
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2012, 09:26:25 AM »

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Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:22:07 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:15:14 AM
Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:14:27 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:01:56 AM
Boston trade Rondo for two SGs?

Dunno if you read the post, but we put Mayo at the PG spot (as he was in college and before the NBA), with Harden at the two spot.



He is a SG in the NBA. 

Ok you have the final say I guess he'll always be an undersized 2 guard and never play PG ever again.


His career assists to TO  2.7 to 2.1 
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Re: Idea: BOSTON,OKC,MEMPHIS trade
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2012, 09:29:35 AM »

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Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:26:25 AM
Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:22:07 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:15:14 AM
Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:14:27 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:01:56 AM
Boston trade Rondo for two SGs?

Dunno if you read the post, but we put Mayo at the PG spot (as he was in college and before the NBA), with Harden at the two spot.



He is a SG in the NBA. 

Ok you have the final say I guess he'll always be an undersized 2 guard and never play PG ever again.


His career assists to TO  2.7 to 2.1 

How many of those games were at point guard?
You wouldn't trade Rondo for Harden?
You don't think there's a possibility this could be a very effective starting guard combo?
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Re: Idea: BOSTON,OKC,MEMPHIS trade
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2012, 09:31:16 AM »

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Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:29:35 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:26:25 AM
Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:22:07 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:15:14 AM
Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:14:27 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:01:56 AM
Boston trade Rondo for two SGs?

Dunno if you read the post, but we put Mayo at the PG spot (as he was in college and before the NBA), with Harden at the two spot.



He is a SG in the NBA. 

Ok you have the final say I guess he'll always be an undersized 2 guard and never play PG ever again.


His career assists to TO  2.7 to 2.1 

How many of those games were at point guard?
You wouldn't trade Rondo for Harden?
You don't think there's a possibility this could be a very effective starting guard combo?


No. 


I will trade Rondo for a star or a player of the same level at PF or C. 


Especially while this team is still playing the way it is with a starting SG in Ray.
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Re: Idea: BOSTON,OKC,MEMPHIS trade
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2012, 09:36:20 AM »

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Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:31:16 AM
Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:29:35 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:26:25 AM
Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:22:07 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:15:14 AM
Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:14:27 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:01:56 AM
Boston trade Rondo for two SGs?

Dunno if you read the post, but we put Mayo at the PG spot (as he was in college and before the NBA), with Harden at the two spot.



He is a SG in the NBA. 

Ok you have the final say I guess he'll always be an undersized 2 guard and never play PG ever again.


His career assists to TO  2.7 to 2.1 

How many of those games were at point guard?
You wouldn't trade Rondo for Harden?
You don't think there's a possibility this could be a very effective starting guard combo?


No. 


I will trade Rondo for a star or a player of the same level at PF or C. 


Especially while this team is still playing the way it is with a starting SG in Ray.

Because Ray Allen is going to give us years of service into the new Celtics generation.
I see.
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Re: Idea: BOSTON,OKC,MEMPHIS trade
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2012, 09:38:27 AM »

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Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:36:20 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:31:16 AM
Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:29:35 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:26:25 AM
Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:22:07 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:15:14 AM
Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:14:27 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:01:56 AM
Boston trade Rondo for two SGs?

Dunno if you read the post, but we put Mayo at the PG spot (as he was in college and before the NBA), with Harden at the two spot.



He is a SG in the NBA. 

Ok you have the final say I guess he'll always be an undersized 2 guard and never play PG ever again.


His career assists to TO  2.7 to 2.1 

How many of those games were at point guard?
You wouldn't trade Rondo for Harden?
You don't think there's a possibility this could be a very effective starting guard combo?


No. 


I will trade Rondo for a star or a player of the same level at PF or C. 


Especially while this team is still playing the way it is with a starting SG in Ray.

Because Ray Allen is going to give us years of service into the new Celtics generation.
I see.



Because it is easier to build around a good SG instead of a good PG?


Where is the future upgrade? 


Why give up Rondo if the player coming back isn't an upgrade? 


So, lack of future upgrade (possible down grade)


Lack of making this team better this year. 


What am I missing?
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Re: Idea: BOSTON,OKC,MEMPHIS trade
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2012, 09:40:15 AM »

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Oh I see.


I missed the extra 1st round pick the Celtics give up. 



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Re: Idea: BOSTON,OKC,MEMPHIS trade
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2012, 09:43:39 AM »

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Mayo wasn't a PG at USC.  They ran the offense through him but Hackett was the actual PG and had primary ball handling duties.  Mayo's role was similar to that of Dwyane Wade at Marquette (and Miami pre-Lebron for that matter).  
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Re: Idea: BOSTON,OKC,MEMPHIS trade
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2012, 09:51:13 AM »

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Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:38:27 AM
Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:36:20 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:31:16 AM
Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:29:35 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:26:25 AM
Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:22:07 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:15:14 AM
Quote from: chambers on February 06, 2012, 09:14:27 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 06, 2012, 09:01:56 AM
Boston trade Rondo for two SGs?

Dunno if you read the post, but we put Mayo at the PG spot (as he was in college and before the NBA), with Harden at the two spot.



He is a SG in the NBA. 

Ok you have the final say I guess he'll always be an undersized 2 guard and never play PG ever again.


His career assists to TO  2.7 to 2.1 

How many of those games were at point guard?
You wouldn't trade Rondo for Harden?
You don't think there's a possibility this could be a very effective starting guard combo?


No. 


I will trade Rondo for a star or a player of the same level at PF or C. 


Especially while this team is still playing the way it is with a starting SG in Ray.

Because Ray Allen is going to give us years of service into the new Celtics generation.
I see.



Because it is easier to build around a good SG instead of a good PG?


Where is the future upgrade? 


Why give up Rondo if the player coming back isn't an upgrade? 


So, lack of future upgrade (possible down grade)


Lack of making this team better this year. 


What am I missing?


You are missing the fact that any trade we make with Rondo is going to downgrade the point guard spot - this is obvious.

Teams aren't giving up All star PF's or C's for Rondo, the Pacers won't even give up Roy Hibbert for Rondo.
We are upgrading the shooting guard spot now and for the future with James Harden.
We are getting a young guard to replace Rondo in OJ Mayo for very little-someone who hasn't had much opportunity to play point guard during his development as an NBA player, who could be very effective if given the chance. Remember he was drafted number 3 as a point guard for Minnesota.

You are giving up Rondo, Moore, Steimsma and a pick for James Harden and OJ Mayo and you're saying no.
That's your decision.


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Re: Idea: BOSTON,OKC,MEMPHIS trade
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2012, 10:00:51 AM »

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Just color me confused.


I rather have Rondo and a 1st draft pick then two SGs (one of which is a FA at the end of the seasons so this could easily be Rondo and a 1st for one SG)

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