LAC could go 'All In' with Dwight Howard and Paul Pierce

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I posted not long ago that the Clippers make a very good fit for PP. LA and the Jazz continue to make the most sense, in my mind. The links to my rational is below:

Clippers ~

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=52472.0

Jazz ~

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=52528.0

However, as talk of D Howard to the Clipps becomes more prevalent, the rational behind Pierce ending up there grows. If they want to go all in over the next 2 years, they could pursue the following:

Orlando Deal: Griffin, Bledsoe, Williams & Foye for D Howard, Duhon & Q Rich

Boston Deal: D Jordan & Gomes for Pierce & Steimsma

I can hear it now: the Clippers will never trade Blake Griffin. But I'd argue if you had the opportunity to trade for Dwight Howard and team him with CP3, you'd do it essentially for any player. The decision to trade Jordan for The Truth -- assuming he agrees, which he would since he won't want to play without Blake or behind Howard -- then becomes a total no-brainer for LAC.

You've got to believe Part 1 is being discussed everyday in LA's front office, and therefore Part 2 isn't far behind.....

[Q_FBE]

Lemme see, do I want to build me team around Blake Griffen or Dwight Howard. I pick Blake Griffen and he should stay with the Clippers. Otherwise, I want to see him in Boston. Are there any viable trade solutions that bring the Boston Celtics Kyle Irving, Blake Griffen, and Kevin Durant???

[slamtheking]

I posted not long ago that the Clippers make a very good fit for PP. LA and the Jazz continue to make the most sense, in my mind. The links to my rational is below:

Clippers ~

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=52472.0

Jazz ~

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=52528.0

However, as talk of D Howard to the Clipps becomes more prevalent, the rational behind Pierce ending up there grows. If they want to go all in over the next 2 years, they could pursue the following:

Orlando Deal: Griffin, Bledsoe, Williams & Foye for D Howard, Duhon & Q Rich

Boston Deal: D Jordan & Gomes for Pierce & Steimsma

I can hear it now: the Clippers will never trade Blake Griffin. But I'd argue if you had the opportunity to trade for Dwight Howard and team him with CP3, you'd do it essentially for any player. The decision to trade Jordan for The Truth -- assuming he agrees, which he would since he won't want to play without Blake or behind Howard -- then becomes a total no-brainer for LAC.

You've got to believe Part 1 is being discussed everyday in LA's front office, and therefore Part 2 isn't far behind.....

PP won't be going to any team with Q-Rich.  they can't stand each other. 

On the Clips deal, from a talent perspective, it wouldn't take much more than Blake to get that done.  I question whether they really would do it from a cost perspective.  Sterling is a cheap as it gets and Griffin's under their control for a few years.  He's also younger than Dwight which is a bonus for them.

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I posted not long ago that the Clippers make a very good fit for PP. LA and the Jazz continue to make the most sense, in my mind. The links to my rational is below:

Clippers ~

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=52472.0

Jazz ~

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=52528.0

However, as talk of D Howard to the Clipps becomes more prevalent, the rational behind Pierce ending up there grows. If they want to go all in over the next 2 years, they could pursue the following:

Orlando Deal: Griffin, Bledsoe, Williams & Foye for D Howard, Duhon & Q Rich

Boston Deal: D Jordan & Gomes for Pierce & Steimsma

I can hear it now: the Clippers will never trade Blake Griffin. But I'd argue if you had the opportunity to trade for Dwight Howard and team him with CP3, you'd do it essentially for any player. The decision to trade Jordan for The Truth -- assuming he agrees, which he would since he won't want to play without Blake or behind Howard -- then becomes a total no-brainer for LAC.

You've got to believe Part 1 is being discussed everyday in LA's front office, and therefore Part 2 isn't far behind.....

PP won't be going to any team with Q-Rich.  they can't stand each other. 

On the Clips deal, from a talent perspective, it wouldn't take much more than Blake to get that done.  I question whether they really would do it from a cost perspective.  Sterling is a cheap as it gets and Griffin's under their control for a few years.  He's also younger than Dwight which is a bonus for them.

can't see spilt milk between Q Rich and Pierce stopping LAC from pursuing a championship -- Q is just thrown in for salary cap purposes. you could also do the deal with Hedo and Butler changing hands instead of Duhan & Q Rich for Williams.

the Clippers spent a lot of money this offseason -- pretty hard to imagine paying Howard would bother them if it meant becoming the dominant team in LA.

[PosImpos]

The Clippers already have a group that can contend, and they're playing well.  Why rock the boat?  Also, why get older?

[Fafnir]

The Clippers already have a group that can contend, and they're playing well.  Why rock the boat?  Also, why get older?

Getting Howard would be worth it, I don't know about the rest of the moves.

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The Clippers already have a group that can contend, and they're playing well.  Why rock the boat?  Also, why get older?

Getting Howard would be worth it, I don't know about the rest of the moves.

I think they'll struggle to contend come playoff time, at the very least this year if not next -- CP3's last under contract. Their D -- particularly on the front line -- is suspect, and their O is predicated too heavily on running, dunks, etc.

It's my feeling BOTH Griffin and Jordan still need some significant development, and it's hard to see that happening this year under VDN, or whoever replaces him mid-year.

[Bankshot]

"LAC could go 'All In' with Dwight Howard and Paul Pierce"

Boston Celtics could go 'All In' with Dwight Howard and Paul Pierce.

[jsingh1699]

if we were to trade pierce to the clips (even if its a 3 way deal with orlando), the package that would come to us would probably revolve around caron butler. im not sure i would do that kinda deal. my guess is if howard is going there, griffin and jordan would have to go to the magic (and a young guy and pick).

they would try to give us butler (who i think just signed a 3 year deal) and some crap. maybe if the magic gave us ryan anderson with him, then i would do it. but i think he would also end up on the clips

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"LAC could go 'All In' with Dwight Howard and Paul Pierce"

Boston Celtics could go 'All In' with Dwight Howard and Paul Pierce.

Boston would go "All In" with Dwight Howard and Paul Pierce, if Dwight Howard could be acquired or would sign with Boston. Neither is even remotely realistic, despite DW's business options-driven quote a couple of days ago.

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I posted not long ago that the Clippers make a very good fit for PP. LA and the Jazz continue to make the most sense, in my mind. The links to my rational is below:

Clippers ~

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=52472.0

Jazz ~

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=52528.0

However, as talk of D Howard to the Clipps becomes more prevalent, the rational behind Pierce ending up there grows. If they want to go all in over the next 2 years, they could pursue the following:

Orlando Deal: Griffin, Bledsoe, Williams & Foye for D Howard, Duhon & Q Rich

Boston Deal: D Jordan & Gomes for Pierce & Steimsma

I can hear it now: the Clippers will never trade Blake Griffin. But I'd argue if you had the opportunity to trade for Dwight Howard and team him with CP3, you'd do it essentially for any player. The decision to trade Jordan for The Truth -- assuming he agrees, which he would since he won't want to play without Blake or behind Howard -- then becomes a total no-brainer for LAC.

You've got to believe Part 1 is being discussed everyday in LA's front office, and therefore Part 2 isn't far behind.....

PP won't be going to any team with Q-Rich.  they can't stand each other. 

On the Clips deal, from a talent perspective, it wouldn't take much more than Blake to get that done.  I question whether they really would do it from a cost perspective.  Sterling is a cheap as it gets and Griffin's under their control for a few years.  He's also younger than Dwight which is a bonus for them.

How would not trading Griffin be evidence of "Sterling's cheapness"? That's a dumb argument.  I guess Sam Presti is cheap for not trading Durant for LeBron this instant, by that logic.

What people don't realize is that Sterling has given most of the decision-making power to our GM Neil Olshey.  Paying for stars isn't an issue because as long as Olshey makes a strong enough case, he'll be allowed to spend that money.  And I think the "cheapness" meme is overblown anyway.  For decades, we had mediocre players that expected Jordan money.  99% of the time, it's smarter to let those players walk instead of ruining your cap space with terrible contracts.

[banty19]

Let's see... if I'm the Clippers would I want:

CP3, Dwight, and Blake Griffin, a young superstar who may already be a top 10-20 player in Blake Griffin.

CP3, Dwight, and Paul Pierce, an aging, borderline All Star that may have been a top 10-20 player in his prime.

[Fafnir]

banty19:

If LAC is making an offer for Howard in will include Griffin going to the Magic. Them getting Howard to pair with Griffin isn't possible, as much as this trade is possible at all.

[slamtheking]

I posted not long ago that the Clippers make a very good fit for PP. LA and the Jazz continue to make the most sense, in my mind. The links to my rational is below:

Clippers ~

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=52472.0

Jazz ~

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=52528.0

However, as talk of D Howard to the Clipps becomes more prevalent, the rational behind Pierce ending up there grows. If they want to go all in over the next 2 years, they could pursue the following:

Orlando Deal: Griffin, Bledsoe, Williams & Foye for D Howard, Duhon & Q Rich

Boston Deal: D Jordan & Gomes for Pierce & Steimsma

I can hear it now: the Clippers will never trade Blake Griffin. But I'd argue if you had the opportunity to trade for Dwight Howard and team him with CP3, you'd do it essentially for any player. The decision to trade Jordan for The Truth -- assuming he agrees, which he would since he won't want to play without Blake or behind Howard -- then becomes a total no-brainer for LAC.

You've got to believe Part 1 is being discussed everyday in LA's front office, and therefore Part 2 isn't far behind.....

PP won't be going to any team with Q-Rich.  they can't stand each other. 

On the Clips deal, from a talent perspective, it wouldn't take much more than Blake to get that done.  I question whether they really would do it from a cost perspective.  Sterling is a cheap as it gets and Griffin's under their control for a few years.  He's also younger than Dwight which is a bonus for them.

How would not trading Griffin be evidence of "Sterling's cheapness"? That's a dumb argument.  I guess Sam Presti is cheap for not trading Durant for LeBron this instant, by that logic.

'dumb' is a tactless word on your part.  If you don't agree with it, try making a valid counterpoint instead.

As for keeping cheaper talent that's the equivalent (or close to it) of more expensive players is a very smart move.  doesn't matter if it's Sterling or Presti but when comparing those two, Sterling has a very long track record of shipping out higher-priced players regardless of the talent whereas Presti has established himself as the better talent evaluator. 
Griffin and CP3 are Sterling's first real game-changing players that he has a chance to lock up or use to acquire other players.  I fully expect him to do what he can to keep both players and would be very surprised if he pulled the trigger on a deal to ship out Blake for Howard.  And yes, the finances of that situation play into that.

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The most basic question here is: if you were Donald Sterling, would you trade Griffin for Dwight Howard?

I think the knee-jerk reaction is to say 'i'd never trade Griffin', but at closer inspection, under their circumstances, i think it's difficult to imagine not doing it.