If DH reaches free agency, why not Boston?

[MBz]

Okay, we all need to stop drinking the dwight kool-aid.  Let's try to think of actual reasons why Dwight would come here.  The only one I have is Doc Rivers, that isn't enough to get him here.  Tradition isn't going to help the celtics win games and it's not going to bring Dwight Howard here.  These guys don't care about that.  There's more "tradition" with the Boston Celtics then the LA Clippers, but CP3 wanted to go to the Clips over the Celtics.  Rondo isn't the superstar PG that these guys want to play with.   I just don't think we're going to get that marquee guy with our cap space.  I just don't see it happening.

[gpap]

There's already a thread about this.  Why not Boston?

1. Superstars want to play with superstars.  We don't have any.

2. It's cold freezing

3. High state-income tax.  This is especially large when you consider he's coming from FL where there's none.

4. There's not much night life...this is especially important when you consider his age and he's coming from FL.

5. We have a reputation for being cheap.  It is leage-wide known that we lost the 2010 Finals because ownership didn't want to spend the MLE on a player taller than 6'6

Hmmm pretty sure the Celts used their MLE that year on Sheed, who happens to be taller than 6'6.

[Trifecta]

I agree Dwight wouldn't want to come to Boston because of no superstars, I get that. And I understand the freezing part as well. Not many truly enjoy the cold weather.

But high state income tax? and no night life? These players make so much money from endorsements and their max contracts, it really shouldn't make a difference. But what do I know, I don't make millions.

And as far as night life goes, these players are playing basketball from what October and into June if they make the Finals? They should be practicing at least a little bit in the off-season as well which only leaves about 4-6 months to do much anyway. And if Dwight has a family (no idea), I'm not sure he'd be hitting up that many clubs. You need to put in work in the gym during a good portion of the off-time you have to be hoisting that trophy in June.

Perhaps I'm spoiled by the family guys and gym rats that we already have in Ray, Rondo, Pierce, and KG.. I just think family and basketball come first to most the big stars who want to win, but I could be completely wrong.

[tyrone biggums]

There's already a thread about this.  Why not Boston?

1. Superstars want to play with superstars.  We don't have any.

2. It's cold freezing

3. High state-income tax.  This is especially large when you consider he's coming from FL where there's none.

4. There's not much night life...this is especially important when you consider his age and he's coming from FL.

5. We have a reputation for being cheap.  It is leage-wide known that we lost the 2010 Finals because ownership didn't want to spend the MLE on a player taller than 6'6

Hmmm pretty sure the Celts used their MLE that year on Sheed, who happens to be taller than 6'6.

Yeah, Sheed I believe was our tallest player outside of Perkins and KG. Ownership was pretty [dang] cheap signing Sheed and giving Allen KG and Pierce those big contracts in 2008.

[LarBrd33]

Doesn't it work that you can resign your own players, even if it means going over the cap or you are over the cap? Does the luxury tax still exist.

It's called Bird rights.  You have to renounce your bird rights to KG, and Ray in order to obtain the 20 million in cap space.  YOu can't regain it.

If you gave Dwight a contract, there would be 1-5 million TOTAL to offer to KG, Ray, Bass, Jeff Green and Pietrus.   So again... for the 100th time, unless you expect all these guys to take the vet minimum, you can't kept this team intact and add Dwight Howard.  I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

ALso for the 100th time... Either Wyc Groesbeck is stupid or being intentionally misleading when he says we "can add two max contract guys".  Max contract for flat out signing a guy like Dwight is 16.3 mil.  In reality he'd request a sign-and-trade making 20 mil.  We'll have 21-25 mil in cap space.   Someone do me a favor and divide 25 million by two and tell me if it equals 16.3 or 20.   

Maybe what he intends to do is give KG 10 million and Ray 10 million.  Hence using all of our cap space on "two max contracts guys".  Totally misleading.

[Evantime34]

Take this for what it's worth, but here is a facebook post from one of the ball boys for the Celtics after the Magic Game.

Me: "so are you gonna sign with us in the offseason"
D. Howard: " NO"
2 minutes later
Me: " but you know you can play with rondo
Superman: " NOOOOOOO, then smiles."
5 minutes later
Ocho: " so there's zero chance you sign with us?"
#12: " ZERO"

[letsgoblue86]

Take this for what it's worth, but here is a facebook post from one of the ball boys for the Celtics after the Magic Game.

Me: "so are you gonna sign with us in the offseason"
D. Howard: " NO"
2 minutes later
Me: " but you know you can play with rondo
Superman: " NOOOOOOO, then smiles."
5 minutes later
Ocho: " so there's zero chance you sign with us?"
#12: " ZERO"

Doesn't know what he's missing out on smh

[Army_of_One_Nation]

Here's why not: because the Magic is the only team that can offer him the biggest contract that he can sign; he probably wants to live in SoCal and signs with either the Clips or the Lakers.

And here's why: Doc Rivers' coaching; the Celtics fan base; the great history of ball players coming to the practice facility and giving out their opinions and advises. 

[ScoobyDoo]

Then it becomes obvious that we all must accept the fact that Wyc is a moron, for two reasons:

1. He probably has better inside information on the financial capacity of the Boston Celtics than we do and yet he still feels we can sign two max guys.

2. If he means signing KG and Ray for $10 Mil per season is the equivalent of signing two max contracts.

Officially then, Wyc is a complete moron.

On another note, Deron has already said he is signing an extension with the Nets. Why doesn't Orlando just make it easy on themselves then -

1. Dump a couple salaries in trades to contenders
2. Sign Deron Williams in the off season - in Orlando...
3. Put Dwight, Deron, Anderson and Reddick together and fill in the gaps from there...

[freshinthehouse]

1. Dump a couple salaries in trades to contenders
2. Sign Deron Williams in the off season - in Orlando...
3. Put Dwight, Deron, Anderson and Reddick together and fill in the gaps from there...

Orlando has some hideous contracts that no one is going to take unless they get an equally cumbersome contract in return.  Orlando isn't going to be a player in free agency for quite some time.

[chambers]

You know, the one thing I agree with is that we should be able to sign two max players so why not?

It won't happen.  But I don't see why it shouldn't.

Actually, we won't have enough cap space to sign two max players unless we amnesty Paul Pierce.

I thought this, but for some reason Danny and Wyc have both said we have the room to sign two max guys.
I don't know why they are saying this but they must have run the numbers.

[southshorematt]

Take this for what it's worth, but here is a facebook post from one of the ball boys for the Celtics after the Magic Game.

Me: "so are you gonna sign with us in the offseason"
D. Howard: " NO"
2 minutes later
Me: " but you know you can play with rondo
Superman: " NOOOOOOO, then smiles."
5 minutes later
Ocho: " so there's zero chance you sign with us?"
#12: " ZERO"

wow

[Celtics4ever]

Dwight isn't coming here and neither is K Love as he is extending with Minnie.

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_19812888

[ScoobyDoo]

Yeah, both Wyc and Danny have said it so maybe they know something we don't. Also, I don't think they would define re-signing KG and Ray, as this point in their careers, as two max contracts...

I'm a cap dolt, but I know that if Bass opts out we are dropping roughly $46 million off the books when this season ends. That has to give us some pretty good flex.

With regards to Howard, he'd obviously be nice and if were interested, I'd definitely pursue him. And I still say that for any player who's serious about championships, history and being involved with an elite organization during their working career, Boston has to be attractive. You've got HOF players, a good young core, picks, Doc...

But the clear fact remains we "DO NOT" have to get Howard or Love to win championships. That might make it easier but you can build great teams without them.

As for Orlando, agreed, I don't know how they put up with Otis. Howard in Orlando reminds me of KG in Minnie and James in Cleveland; how can you have a player of that level and not be able to, in 6-7 years time, attract one single available and true "Robin" to play along side him? Someone to play Pippen to them. It's a complete failure of management.

I think one of Ainge's best moves ever was to blow it up and move Walker when he got here. The reason is that while he didn't yet know who would eventually play Robin to Pierce's batman, he knew it "wasn't" Antoine Walker...

Strip it down and build from scratch. 

[2short]

If howard isn't coming its not the end of the world.  Yes he's the best center in the nba, Hibbert would be nice to go after and would be a better contract.  Love would be a guy I'd really want, something about howard's attitude just irks me.  I'm not sure that is the guy I'd hand the huge contract to kind of like carmelo anthony