7 or 8 playoff seed or Lottery pick?

[wdleehi]

But what deals can the Celtics make with KG or Ray's contract that brings back good young talent without cap baggage?  



That's the problem right now with "blowing it up".  The Celtics players are making a lot in the last year of the contracts and there doesn't look like there are good landing places out there that help the Celtics in the future.  

Why is it such an issue to bring back some salary in a trade?

Howard is not signing in Boston next summer anyway and beside him, the FA class is weak. RFA like Love or Gordon are gonna be maxed out by their teams (maybe even Hibbert for that matter), so what's the point of having 40 millions to spend?

Do you want to do it "Nets style" and sign Petro, Morrow and who knows what other average role players? The cap is only useful if you can sign some star players with it and it's not happening.

No.  Those are the type of overpayed players you want to avoid in the trades as well, but couldn't. 


Cap flexibility is for more then just signing FA.

[Fafnir]

No.  Those are the type of overpayed players you want to avoid in the trades as well, but couldn't. 


Cap flexibility is for more then just signing FA.

Agreed they only sorts of deals you'll see if we do "blow it up" is ones that include a large ballast of contracts with a young player and/or pick. Now that's not to say we couldn't end up taking back largish two year deal or a smallish 3 year deal (ie we give up 5-8 million in cap space next year and one of the big three for an asset).

But I don't think that sort of deal is going to present itself honestly. This is going to be a farewell run, no matter how it pans out.

[lepoooo]

No.  Those are the type of overpayed players you want to avoid in the trades as well, but couldn't. 


Cap flexibility is for more then just signing FA.

What is it for then?

[Fafnir]

No.  Those are the type of overpayed players you want to avoid in the trades as well, but couldn't.  


Cap flexibility is for more then just signing FA.

What is it for then?

Is this sarcasm?

You can use cap space to trade for players.

Memphis is probably the biggest recent example, they traded for Zach Randolph with their cap space and the Jazz did something similar to get Big Al (used a trade exception but cap space works for that too). Another example would be OKC picking up Eric Maynor in a salary dump from the Jazz.

You can also use cap space to take on salary and pick up cash/picks for your trouble.

[Who]

So...if we make the playoffs with a so-so record and get, what, the 15th-17th pick, vs just missing the playoffs and getting the 13-14th pick, I'll take my chances with this group come April and let Danny work his magic in the draft.

Yeah, little difference between those pick ranges. Not worth punting a season over.

[lepoooo]

No.  Those are the type of overpayed players you want to avoid in the trades as well, but couldn't.  


Cap flexibility is for more then just signing FA.

 
What is it for then?

Is this sarcasm?

You can use cap space to trade for players.

Memphis is probably the biggest recent example, they traded for Zach Randolph with their cap space and the Jazz did something similar to get Big Al (used a trade exception but cap space works for that too). Another example would be OKC picking up Eric Maynor in a salary dump from the Jazz.

You can also use cap space to take on salary and pick up cash/picks for your trouble.

You are right, I did not see that. But if you can trade RA for a young talent / pick and a bad contract, why not? C's will have the space to do that while rebuilding in the next years.

DA has played his cards perfectly: he has lots of contracts, all of differents sizes and all nearing their end. So I would not be surprised to see him taking a bad contract if he can get some value to go alongside.

Anyway, it's gonna be the plan. Draft, minor moves, accumulating talent and see what happens.

Now, I'd rather see thoses moves starting to happen now rather than next year. If we can get good value now, let's do it, even if it means that the franchise has to take a 2 or 3-years bad deals in return.

[Lucky17]

Edit. What Faf said.

[angryguy77]

Lottery for sure. I'd rather have a potential building block player that could contribute to the team for 10 years  than a few more games to watch.

[kozlodoev]

So...if we make the playoffs with a so-so record and get, what, the 15th-17th pick, vs just missing the playoffs and getting the 13-14th pick, I'll take my chances with this group come April and let Danny work his magic in the draft.

Yeah, little difference between those pick ranges. Not worth punting a season over.

I'm worried we may end up in the lottery without punting regardless.

[Celtics18]

Playoffs.  Not even a question for me. 

[Celtics18]

Looks like we are starting the rebuilding one season early.  I'm looking at the 2012 Free agent class and its Pretty dismal (Since Howard has pretty much said no way to Boston).  So the Celtics are going to have some cap space next year and not much to spend it on (Chris Kaman?).

So would I rather get bounced out in the first round by crawling in as a low seed or get the 6th pick in the draft were we sit right now.

I'd rather have the lottery pick myself.  I like Thomas Robinson out of Kansas and I think we should avoid Sullinger like the plague.  He has bust written all over him.

Not that I'm fawning all over Dwight Howard, but remind me when he said "no way" to Boston.

[Ubuntu3]

Looks like we are starting the rebuilding one season early.  I'm looking at the 2012 Free agent class and its Pretty dismal (Since Howard has pretty much said no way to Boston).  So the Celtics are going to have some cap space next year and not much to spend it on (Chris Kaman?).

So would I rather get bounced out in the first round by crawling in as a low seed or get the 6th pick in the draft were we sit right now.

I'd rather have the lottery pick myself.  I like Thomas Robinson out of Kansas and I think we should avoid Sullinger like the plague.  He has bust written all over him.

Not that I'm fawning all over Dwight Howard, but remind me when he said "no way" to Boston.

He doesn't list Boston as one of his preferred teams. Plus, he's all about the fame and Hollywood. He's a primadonna. Howard has 100x more talent than Perk, but I always hated Howard because of his constant smiling and laughing. He never took things seriously (i.e. The Big Baby CPR thing the other day. You are down in the game and you do something stupid like that. Big Baby and Howard are meant for each other)

Don't get me wrong, I'd go nuts if we got Howard but his personality rubs me the wrong way

[Celtics18]

Looks like we are starting the rebuilding one season early.  I'm looking at the 2012 Free agent class and its Pretty dismal (Since Howard has pretty much said no way to Boston).  So the Celtics are going to have some cap space next year and not much to spend it on (Chris Kaman?).

So would I rather get bounced out in the first round by crawling in as a low seed or get the 6th pick in the draft were we sit right now.

I'd rather have the lottery pick myself.  I like Thomas Robinson out of Kansas and I think we should avoid Sullinger like the plague.  He has bust written all over him.

Not that I'm fawning all over Dwight Howard, but remind me when he said "no way" to Boston.

He doesn't list Boston as one of his preferred teams. Plus, he's all about the fame and Hollywood. He's a primadonna. Howard has 100x more talent than Perk, but I always hated Howard because of his constant smiling and laughing. He never took things seriously (i.e. The Big Baby CPR thing the other day. You are down in the game and you do something stupid like that. Big Baby and Howard are meant for each other)

Don't get me wrong, I'd go nuts if we got Howard but his personality rubs me the wrong way

He rubs me the wrong way too, but he's never actually said "no way" to Boston, has he?  People like to make guesses, but I think that Dwight Howard is so all over the place with what he wants that it's hard to make any legitimate calls as to where he will end up next year, especially if he makes it to free agency. 

[Ubuntu3]

Why would Howard come to Boston over Orlando/team he is traded to (who can offer alot more money)? If he says, "screw the money" then what makes you think he would go to Boston over teams like Dallas (no state income tax and Dirk), Lakers in a sign and trade for Bynum.

I will literally shave my head if he becomes a Celtic and post it here for everyone to see (Never gone bald and would look really weird)

[TruthPierce2008]

We are winning the championship this year, I'm calling it, Big 3 will get it done mofos