biggest offseason blunder - not offering Delonte a contract because of Bradley

[cman88]

You cant ask a player to give everything on the court and then hold it against them if they get injured. (feels alot like the leon powe debacle).

What was the Leon Powe debacle?  He has been a borderline NBA player at best since they let him walk. 

You think leon got treated fairly for the work he put in? Cmon. the guy rips his acl playing on a banged up knee trying to help us in the playoffs then gets dumped. not even offered  a vet minimum offer after a productive season. pre injiry leon was playing great and in line for raise. yeah a debacle.

sad or not, its a business adn its dannys job to put the best lineup on the floor to win. Leon hasnt looked the same since that injury. definitely worth a min contract though I would think

[Fafnir]

You cant ask a player to give everything on the court and then hold it against them if they get injured. (feels alot like the leon powe debacle).

What was the Leon Powe debacle?  He has been a borderline NBA player at best since they let him walk.  

You think leon got treated fairly for the work he put in? Cmon. the guy rips his acl playing on a banged up knee trying to help us in the playoffs then gets dumped. not even offered  a vet minimum offer after a productive season. pre injiry leon was playing great and in line for raise. yeah a debacle.

He was under contract and was paid in full for all the work he did for the Celtics. His next contract was for future work, which as we've seen wasn't worth all that much both on the free market of the NBA and in hindsight.

The idea that if someone is a hard working player you owe it to them to give them a contract beyond their actual value on the court is something that should be left to the New York Yankees and their SS/3B fetish.

[FatjohnReturns]

Look everyone understands its a buisness. i just think not offering anything to players who have put it all on the court is a mistake.  Both leon and delonte were worthy of min vet offers.

[Chris]

You cant ask a player to give everything on the court and then hold it against them if they get injured. (feels alot like the leon powe debacle).

What was the Leon Powe debacle?  He has been a borderline NBA player at best since they let him walk. 

You think leon got treated fairly for the work he put in? Cmon. the guy rips his acl playing on a banged up knee trying to help us in the playoffs then gets dumped. not even offered  a vet minimum offer after a productive season. pre injiry leon was playing great and in line for raise. yeah a debacle.

I think he got treated completely fairly.  He was allowed to use the C's facilities as he recovered, and WAS offered a deal based on his market value.  He was given a vet minimum offer with a second year team option, just like the offer he took with the Cavs.  

Powe was offended that the C's did not make him a qualifying offer, however that would have been a horrible deal for the C's, because it would have meant they would pay more money than he would make on any other team as he rehabbed and by the time he was healthy, he would be an unrestricted free agent.  

The NBA is not a charity.  Powe was compensated very well when he was playing for the C's, and they did not owe him anything more than that.

[Neurotic Guy]

You cant ask a player to give everything on the court and then hold it against them if they get injured. (feels alot like the leon powe debacle).

What was the Leon Powe debacle?  He has been a borderline NBA player at best since they let him walk. 

You think leon got treated fairly for the work he put in? Cmon. the guy rips his acl playing on a banged up knee trying to help us in the playoffs then gets dumped. not even offered  a vet minimum offer after a productive season. pre injiry leon was playing great and in line for raise. yeah a debacle.

I am not suggesting that there aren't work situations that would reward employees for prior service or efforts, but I can tell you that despite my many years (decades) of effort in my work that if my abilities diminished (even if due to work-related injury), I'll be applying to Wal-Mart.

[Fafnir]

Look everyone understands its a buisness. i just think not offering anything to players who have put it all on the court is a mistake.  Both leon and delonte were worthy of min vet offers.

Well I don't think Delonte got one of those from the C's

I know Powe got an offer like that with a team option for next year, of course at the time Powe was p---ed he didn't get the QO from Danny. He ended up taking the same deal from Cleveland in the end.

[footey]

TP for OP. 100% agree with you.  Danny guessed wrong on this one.

[dark_lord]

I also think Delonte's performance on twitter during the lockout didn't help his case.  It was almost Marburyesque. 

apples and oranges.

i hardly think making money jokes and getting a job at a furniture store is comparable to eating vaseline!

delonte has always had a great sense of humor, which is unique.

[Chris]

Look everyone understands its a buisness. i just think not offering anything to players who have put it all on the court is a mistake.  Both leon and delonte were worthy of min vet offers.

Well I don't think Delonte got one of those from the C's

I know Powe got an offer like that with a team option for next year, of course at the time Powe was p---ed he didn't get the QO from Danny. He ended up taking the same deal from Cleveland in the end.

Yeah, Delonte wasn't offered anything from the C's.  

But I also don't think there is a parallel with Delonte "earning it" like Powe.

I understand the argument for Powe, because he got hurt going all out for the C's, and lost out on a big payday because of it (I think its an oversimplified argument, but I get it).  

But Delonte was a bust last year.  Between suspensions, injuries, and coming up tiny when they needed him most in the playoffs, he did not make a strong argument to stay around.  

[FatjohnReturns]

its easy to say thay cause its not you and your family.  the thing is if all it is a buisness then why do players take it personal. why does anyone take it personal when they get laid off.

if your giving half ass effort in any profession then your deserving of what you get. If you see your employee giving all his effort and a they get injured at work then do the right thing. both leon and delonte should been offered vet min deals.

I am oldschoool. i guess this is the age we live in now though. Owners dont give a [dang] about the players. the players have no loyalty to the franchises and every buisness owner on the planet can justify bad treatment by saying" its a buisness"

[Chris]

I also think Delonte's performance on twitter during the lockout didn't help his case.  It was almost Marburyesque. 

apples and oranges.

i hardly think making money jokes and getting a job at a furniture store is comparable to eating vaseline!

delonte has always had a great sense of humor, which is unique.

I agree.  But where I think it was similar is that both of them were coming off seasons where they did not exactly prove their worth, and had a history of erratic behavior.  So, doing anything in the public eye that could be construed as unprofessional was not going to help their cases to get another contract.

Its the straw that broke the camels back.  

[dark_lord]

I also think Delonte's performance on twitter during the lockout didn't help his case.  It was almost Marburyesque. 

apples and oranges.

i hardly think making money jokes and getting a job at a furniture store is comparable to eating vaseline!

delonte has always had a great sense of humor, which is unique.

I agree.  But where I think it was similar is that both of them were coming off seasons where they did not exactly prove their worth, and had a history of erratic behavior.  So, doing anything in the public eye that could be construed as unprofessional was not going to help their cases to get another contract.

Its the straw that broke the camels back.  

i just dont see any of that as being unprofessional, especially when compared to his nba peers.  there are a lot more unprofessional tweets by other players. 

[Chris]

its easy to say thay cause its not you and your family.  the thing is if all it is a buisness then why do players take it personal. why does anyone take it personal when they get laid off.

if your giving half ass effort in any profession then your deserving of what you get. If you see your employee giving all his effort and a they get injured at work then do the right thing. both leon and delonte should been offered vet min deals.

I am oldschoool. i guess this is the age we live in now though. Owners dont give a [dang] about the players. the players have no loyalty to the franchises and every buisness owner on the planet can justify bad treatment by saying" its a buisness"

I think his family is fine on the million + he made his first couple years.  

The difference between now and the old days is that instead of paying the players peanuts like they did in the 50s and 60s, even the 15th man on the roster is making more money in one year than most people make in their entire life.

When you are talking about that kind of money, then sentimentality simply can't play as big of a role.  

And again, I think you are misconstruing what actually happened.  Powe was offered a contract.  He was offended that he wasn't given a bigger contract than market value.

[Chris]

I also think Delonte's performance on twitter during the lockout didn't help his case.  It was almost Marburyesque. 

apples and oranges.

i hardly think making money jokes and getting a job at a furniture store is comparable to eating vaseline!

delonte has always had a great sense of humor, which is unique.

I agree.  But where I think it was similar is that both of them were coming off seasons where they did not exactly prove their worth, and had a history of erratic behavior.  So, doing anything in the public eye that could be construed as unprofessional was not going to help their cases to get another contract.

Its the straw that broke the camels back.  

i just dont see any of that as being unprofessional, especially when compared to his nba peers.  there are a lot more unprofessional tweets by other players. 

I certainly won't argue with that.  But most of his peers don't have the history that West does. 

When you are talking about giving these guys over a million dollars, then you want to feel at least somewhat confident they will not make you regret it.  And a guy with a record of wreckless behavior needs to behave significantly better than the guy with the clean record, in order to earn your trust.

[Celtics18]

I miss Delonte, but I don't think not re-signing him was a blunder.

Guard play is our strength with one of the best starting backcourts in the league and a more than serviceable set of back ups in Dooling and Daniels.  

Once you add in Pietrus, who can play the 2 or the 3, I'm not worried at all about our guard play right now.

The frontline, on the other hand . . .