Danny please blow it up!

[LeoMoreno]

You got a laugh out of me with those 'moves'.
JJJ and Love? Rubio?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

[tyrone biggums]

You got a laugh out of me with those 'moves'.
JJJ and Love? Rubio?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

I dunno about you but I would certainly take Love for Rondo then sign a decent PG. Not a fan of Rubio

[rondohondo]

It seems like the worst is happening with Jeff Green. The C's are OFFICIALLY DONE AS A CONTENDER. There is no point in delaying the inevitable of having to rebuild around Rondo.

We should take these things as a sign that it's time to rebuild .
-First CP3 and Howard don't want to join an aging team
- Then the David West trade falls through
- Now Green is out probably for a very long time, if he ever plays again

I don't want to see this team just die out in the 1st round which is what would happen with this roster.

Ray and JO and the most likely to be able to be traded because they are both expiring contracts and could help a contender. KG's 21 mil contract will likely be to expensive to move to get anything worthwhile from a contender.

Get Draft picks and young assets for JO and Ray. Maybe send Ray to NYK for a late 1st rd draft pick, Landry Fields and filler( or something similar, oj mayo?)

send JO to a contender for a TPE and a pick if you can get one

This has got to be the way Danny goes, Let the young guys play a lot Bradley, JJJ,Moore .

Hell maybe if we trade Ray and JO the c's will be in the lottery, which could be a very good thing in 2012.

Hope this doesn't bum you out, but the writings on the wall.....Time to rebuild.....

[Kane3387]

I know it's crazy but I could really see Milwaukee trading for KG

[PosImpos]

I know it's crazy but I could really see Milwaukee trading for KG

have you looked at the salaries on that team?  who are they going to trade for KG's massive salary?



here's the only drastic trade I've thought of that would make sense for both sides, and still allow the Celtics be competitive this year:



Nash + Dudley + Gortat + PHX 2012 1st Rounder

for

Rondo + Bass + JO + BOS 2012 1st Rounder

[j804]

I know it's crazy but I could really see Milwaukee trading for KG

have you looked at the salaries on that team?  who are they going to trade for KG's massive salary?



here's the only drastic trade I've thought of that would make sense for both sides, and still allow the Celtics be competitive this year:



Nash + Dudley + Gortat + PHX 2012 1st Rounder

for

Rondo + Bass + JO + BOS 2012 1st Rounder

Sounds good to me all three of them, we could use size def and we get that too

[RyNye]

I think I agree with this simply because there are nooooooo guarantees in the nba for rebuilding. It's not like the NFL where they give you a top draft pick for losing, you get a great QB, a favorable schedule, trade down for more picks, and suddenly in two years you're back like the Lions or something.

I agree. I am always wary of people saying we need to tank to get a high pick. The system for getting high lottery picks is only very vaguely correlated with having a bad record; it is very easy to have a horrible record and STILL not get the good picks (see: Boston 2007 draft ... that still irritates the hell out of me, we have the second worst record in the league, but still miss out on Durant and Al Horford). Furthermore, even if you DO get the number one overall pick, there's no guarantee you are getting a franchise player.

Look at the last 10 drafts, or so:

2001- Kwame Brown. Bust.
2002- Yao Ming. Great player but very injury prone.
2003- Lebron James. Okay, this is a good one.
2004- Dwight Howard. Another great one.
2005- Andrew Bogut. Not bad, but no game changer.
2006- Andrea Bargnani. Blergh. Not HORRIBLE, but not franchise at all. Barely an all-star.
2007- Greg Oden. Injury prone, wasted potential.
2008- Derrick Rose. MVP.
2009- Blake Griffin. Future MVP.
2010- John Wall. Not horrible, but not great.
2011- Kyrie Irving. Anyone really excited about this?

There are 4, maybe 5 players you can build a team around here, 1 complete unknown (Irving), 4 decent players, and 1 complete bust.

For half of those drafts, the best players to come out of them were lower picks.

[PosImpos]

I think I agree with this simply because there are nooooooo guarantees in the nba for rebuilding. It's not like the NFL where they give you a top draft pick for losing, you get a great QB, a favorable schedule, trade down for more picks, and suddenly in two years you're back like the Lions or something.

I agree. I am always wary of people saying we need to tank to get a high pick. The system for getting high lottery picks is only very vaguely correlated with having a bad record; it is very easy to have a horrible record and STILL not get the good picks (see: Boston 2007 draft ... that still irritates the hell out of me, we have the second worst record in the league, but still miss out on Durant and Al Horford). Furthermore, even if you DO get the number one overall pick, there's no guarantee you are getting a franchise player.

Look at the last 10 drafts, or so:

2001- Kwame Brown. Bust.
2002- Yao Ming. Great player but very injury prone.
2003- Lebron James. Okay, this is a good one.
2004- Dwight Howard. Another great one.
2005- Andrew Bogut. Not bad, but no game changer.
2006- Andrea Bargnani. Blergh. Not HORRIBLE, but not franchise at all. Barely an all-star.
2007- Greg Oden. Injury prone, wasted potential.
2008- Derrick Rose. MVP.
2009- Blake Griffin. Future MVP.
2010- John Wall. Not horrible, but not great.
2011- Kyrie Irving. Anyone really excited about this?

There are 4, maybe 5 players you can build a team around here, 1 complete unknown (Irving), 4 decent players, and 1 complete bust.

For half of those drafts, the best players to come out of them were lower picks.

i think you're underrating bogut and j-wall.  bogut is a very good center, especially defensively, he's just been injury prone.  john wall's ceiling is still incredibly high.  he has all the tools to be on the same level as rose and westbrook.

i agree that getting a top 3 draft pick is no guarantee that you'll get a franchise player, though.

but out of the 11 drafts you listed, i'd say 7 of them had a #1 that turned out to be a legit franchise player, or still has the potential to be one. 

[BballTim]

I think I agree with this simply because there are nooooooo guarantees in the nba for rebuilding. It's not like the NFL where they give you a top draft pick for losing, you get a great QB, a favorable schedule, trade down for more picks, and suddenly in two years you're back like the Lions or something.

I agree. I am always wary of people saying we need to tank to get a high pick. The system for getting high lottery picks is only very vaguely correlated with having a bad record; it is very easy to have a horrible record and STILL not get the good picks (see: Boston 2007 draft ... that still irritates the hell out of me, we have the second worst record in the league, but still miss out on Durant and Al Horford). Furthermore, even if you DO get the number one overall pick, there's no guarantee you are getting a franchise player.

Look at the last 10 drafts, or so:

2001- Kwame Brown. Bust.
2002- Yao Ming. Great player but very injury prone.
2003- Lebron James. Okay, this is a good one.
2004- Dwight Howard. Another great one.
2005- Andrew Bogut. Not bad, but no game changer.
2006- Andrea Bargnani. Blergh. Not HORRIBLE, but not franchise at all. Barely an all-star.
2007- Greg Oden. Injury prone, wasted potential.
2008- Derrick Rose. MVP.
2009- Blake Griffin. Future MVP.
2010- John Wall. Not horrible, but not great.
2011- Kyrie Irving. Anyone really excited about this?

There are 4, maybe 5 players you can build a team around here, 1 complete unknown (Irving), 4 decent players, and 1 complete bust.

For half of those drafts, the best players to come out of them were lower picks.

  To add to that, since 1990 only 2 top picks have won titles (Shaq and TD) and only 3 others have led teams to the finals (LBJ, DH, AI). So, if you get a top pick, roughly  1 in 10 chance you'll get a player that will lead you to a title, roughly 1 in 4 chance you'll get a player that will ever lead you to the finals.

[LeoMoreno]

You got a laugh out of me with those 'moves'.
JJJ and Love? Rubio?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

I dunno about you but I would certainly take Love for Rondo then sign a decent PG. Not a fan of Rubio

I wouldn't. His name won't be among the legendary players. Never. Rondo is on a good way to end up in the Hall of Fame.

[tyrone biggums]

You got a laugh out of me with those 'moves'.
JJJ and Love? Rubio?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

I dunno about you but I would certainly take Love for Rondo then sign a decent PG. Not a fan of Rubio

I wouldn't. His name won't be among the legendary players. Never. Rondo is on a good way to end up in the Hall of Fame.

Rondo is not on his way to the hall because the Big 3 will not last forever, he cannot create his own shot.

[Jon]

The simple fact of the matter is that the best way to rebuild is to probably wait until next year to do so anyway. 

At this point, no teams with young talent want to trade it for KG or Ray (or even Paul) and the teams that would be interested (contenders), don't have the young talent to trade. 

So our best option is to likely just let Ray and KG expire.  So in the meantime, we might as well have one last shot. 

[dark_lord]

Celtics were rebuilding team for 22 years. Who wants to go through that again? We finally have a great team with HOF players. This may not be our year as far as championship. But hey, chill and enjoy the ride.

[Smokeeye123]

Celtics were rebuilding team for 22 years. Who wants to go through that again? We finally have a great team with HOF players. This may not be our year as far as championship. But hey, chill and enjoy the ride.

Didn't know anyone else on here had a Bruce Lee avatar.  Well, the more the merrier!

[BASS_THUMPER]