Woj reports: DeAndre Jordan offered 5 yr/40 mil

[action781]

I don't see how a player gets over $8M who has almost no chance at cracking the top 5 centers in the league over that time.

Because $8million doesn't get you top 5.

$8 million gets you middle of the pack. Somewhere between #12 and #18.

If you want top five player at a position, a minimal payment of $12-15 million is required.

IMO, this kind of thinking is a recipe for disaster in the NBA.

[PosImpos]

Welcome to the NBA where there are no skilled big men

i think this statement would be more accurate.

[Lucky17]

Perkins reupped with OKC to the tune of 5 years, $40 mil, IIRC.

I think DeAndre Jordan should outscore and outrebound Perkins over the life of that contract.

[Liam W]

Deandre is a good Center but not $8mill a season good

All he really does is Rebound, Dunk + Block
 
Im sure you could find someone in the D-League to do that far cheaper than that

Bad move for the Clippers

[action781]

DeAndre Jordan put up 7 and 7 in just under 26 minutes a game last season. He is a fairly average defensive player. He is also a freak athlete who has made considerable progress over the past year or so.

Even if he only marginally improves on where he is now, D.Jordan should become a double-double guy (in 32-34mpg) with above average defense. That type of player is worth $8-10 million.

If D.Jordan goes on to fulfill the potential many people think he has, he becomes a double-double guy with All-League level defense (Tyson Chandler level). That player is worth $11-13 million.

And if ever developed his offensive game ....

I see little chance that DeAndre Jordan fails to live up to a $40million five year deal. Good contract.

$11-13 million for a player who has probably no chance of becoming a top 5 player at his position?

You think he can play Tyson Chandler level defense?  IMO, Chandler is a top 2-4 defensive center in the league...

[action781]

Perkins reupped with OKC to the tune of 5 years, $40 mil, IIRC.

I think DeAndre Jordan should outscore and outrebound Perkins over the life of that contract.

4 years, 34 mil.  I think that offer is on the border of being too much also.  But, at least Perk has already proven that he's elite at something in this league (defense).  Jordan hasn't proved anything yet.  This Jordan contract is entirely speculative.

[Inside-Out]

Deandre is a good Center but not $8mill a season good

All he really does is Rebound, Dunk + Block
 
Im sure you could find someone in the D-League to do that far cheaper than that

Bad move for the Clippers

Dwayne Jones.  China, I think.

Don't forget the old timers like Battie, too.

I'd take hustle bigs that can learn to fit in for short money rather than overpay on a long deal, saving the cash for other positions where the talent pool is deeper.

[bdm860]

the amount that centers get paid proportionate to their production is truly mind-boggling.

Makes me wish I worked harder on my height growing up.

[Who]

DeAndre Jordan put up 7 and 7 in just under 26 minutes a game last season. He is a fairly average defensive player. He is also a freak athlete who has made considerable progress over the past year or so.

Even if he only marginally improves on where he is now, D.Jordan should become a double-double guy (in 32-34mpg) with above average defense. That type of player is worth $8-10 million.

If D.Jordan goes on to fulfill the potential many people think he has, he becomes a double-double guy with All-League level defense (Tyson Chandler level). That player is worth $11-13 million.

And if ever developed his offensive game ....

I see little chance that DeAndre Jordan fails to live up to a $40million five year deal. Good contract.

$11-13 million for a player who has probably no chance of becoming a top 5 player at his position?

You think he can play Tyson Chandler level defense?  IMO, Chandler is a top 2-4 defensive center in the league...

I consider Tyson Chandler the second best defensive center in the league.

I'm not convinced D.Jordan has that type of potential either. That is why I wouldn't pay him double figures per annum.

I feel pretty confident in his ability to earn $8 million a year though. That would be the rough equivalent of a Brendan Haywood or a Kendrick Perkins. I think D.Jordan is fully capable of achieving that.

[jdz101]

Because $8million doesn't get you top 5.

$8 million gets you middle of the pack. Somewhere between #12 and #18.
 

Deandre jordan isnt even within the #12 - #18 band. They'll regret making this offer.

[Who]

Because $8million doesn't get you top 5.

$8 million gets you middle of the pack. Somewhere between #12 and #18.
 

Deandre jordan isnt even within the #12 - #18 band. They'll regret making this offer.

Agreed -- off the top of my head, I would think I have D.Jordan somewhere in low to mid 20s.

At his current ability, joining a team to play a starting role and somewhere between 28-32 minutes a night, I would rate D.Jordan at about $6 million per annum.

That said, he is 23 and not a finished product. He is clearly still developing and you will have to pay a certain amount for potential. And I think a 5 year $40 million offer is fair.

[action781]

DeAndre Jordan put up 7 and 7 in just under 26 minutes a game last season. He is a fairly average defensive player. He is also a freak athlete who has made considerable progress over the past year or so.

Even if he only marginally improves on where he is now, D.Jordan should become a double-double guy (in 32-34mpg) with above average defense. That type of player is worth $8-10 million.

If D.Jordan goes on to fulfill the potential many people think he has, he becomes a double-double guy with All-League level defense (Tyson Chandler level). That player is worth $11-13 million.

And if ever developed his offensive game ....

I see little chance that DeAndre Jordan fails to live up to a $40million five year deal. Good contract.

$11-13 million for a player who has probably no chance of becoming a top 5 player at his position?

You think he can play Tyson Chandler level defense?  IMO, Chandler is a top 2-4 defensive center in the league...

I consider Tyson Chandler the second best defensive center in the league.

I'm not convinced D.Jordan has that type of potential either. That is why I wouldn't pay him double figures per annum.

I feel pretty confident in his ability to earn $8 million a year though. That would be the rough equivalent of a Brendan Haywood or a Kendrick Perkins. I think D.Jordan is fully capable of achieving that.

The equivalent to what Brendan Haywood and Kendrick Perkins are currently getting paid.  Simply because they are earning that much money doesn't mean they are worth that money either.

Too many teams are paying too much money for mediocrity...

I'm not saying that Jordan can't get more money, I'm not saying that more teams wouldn't gladly give him that $40M/5yr.  I'm saying that all of these teams are dumb that would.  Save the money, spend it on an impact player.  If there are no true impact players, then spend an extra $3M per year and go after a quasi-impact player like Gasol or Nene (I'd say or Chandler, except their contending window hasn't quite opened yet).  They have the cap space to do so.

[Liam W]

Deandre is a good Center but not $8mill a season good

All he really does is Rebound, Dunk + Block
 
Im sure you could find someone in the D-League to do that far cheaper than that

Bad move for the Clippers

Dwayne Jones.  China, I think.

Don't forget the old timers like Battie, too.

I'd take hustle bigs that can learn to fit in for short money rather than overpay on a long deal, saving the cash for other positions where the talent pool is deeper.

+1

[GreenEnvy]

Deandre is a good Center but not $8mill a season good

All he really does is Rebound, Dunk + Block
 
Im sure you could find someone in the D-League to do that far cheaper than that

Bad move for the Clippers

Dwayne Jones.  China, I think.

Don't forget the old timers like Battie, too.

I'd take hustle bigs that can learn to fit in for short money rather than overpay on a long deal, saving the cash for other positions where the talent pool is deeper.

Econ 101. Supply vs. demand.

Bigs get overpaid often because their are so few talented ones, at least the difference-makers.

Other positions usually have a deeper FA class year after year, especially the 2/3. You can get a quality guy each year for well below the MLE, and sometimes for the minimum.

I can't remember the last time a champion didn't have a superstar big, probably the first Jordan 3-peat.

You can't skimp on bigs, but most teams do overpay for whatever is available, which usually isn't much.

[Q_FBE]

What is the fair market rate for DeAndre Jordan? I don't know. Is he better than Kendrik Perkins (34 million same contract length)? Not now but he could be.

Seems like that some of the players are still making out good in this new CBA.