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Details of the new CBA
« on: November 27, 2011, 09:21:52 AM »

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There is a lot of information, and apparently, mis-reporting of the details of what's in the new CBA.  Here's a leaked memo that is being circulated to players and owners, detailing what has been agreed to in principle, according to Sam Amick:

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It looks like the players won some decent concessions from the league's supposedly final offer, although they're still going to take a bath, both in terms of net income and on most of the "system issues".  Still, they preserved larger annual raises than was originally agreed to, more flexibility for tax teams to spend, a guarantee of 51.15% BRI in the first year of the deal, the possibility of earning 51% in future years, etc. 
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Re: Details of the new CBA
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2011, 02:02:34 PM »

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The owners seem to have obviously gotten the better end of the deal.  This was inevitable.

The players did seem to get quite a bit better deal than most thought they would though.  51% of BRI and a good number of system issues they got owners to conceed on.

The owners definitely made thus deal happen.  I wonder what made them drop their hardline stance finally?
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2011, 02:14:32 PM »

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Quote from: KGs Knee on November 27, 2011, 02:02:34 PM
The owners seem to have obviously gotten the better end of the deal.  This was inevitable.

The players did seem to get quite a bit better deal than most thought they would though.  51% of BRI and a good number of system issues they got owners to conceed on.

The owners definitely made thus deal happen.  I wonder what made them drop their hardline stance finally?
It was onviously a bluff all along and once that clock ticked down they weren't willing to lose the season
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Re: Details of the new CBA
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2011, 02:51:17 PM »

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The Amenisty rule i really like. Imagine all the teams that will be waiving big contracts with players like Arenas, Lewis, Davis, Roy, Mike Miller might even be a possibility

Im just looking forward to Free Agency and to see who we pick up

Do you think Danny + Doc have a plan for 2012?

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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2011, 03:06:10 PM »

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I think the owners won this battle, doesnt matter if they ended up increasing their off from 50.2 to 51.2, the bottom line was, they successfully got the players to drop from 57% of the BRI down 5.8%...so at the end, the owners now makes hundreds of millions more than they already did...

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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2011, 03:56:12 PM »

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Quote from: manl_lui on November 27, 2011, 03:06:10 PM
I think the owners won this battle, doesnt matter if they ended up increasing their off from 50.2 to 51.2, the bottom line was, they successfully got the players to drop from 57% of the BRI down 5.8%...so at the end, the owners now makes hundreds of millions more than they already did...



Also, to be clear, the 51.2% players' share of BRI is this year only.  In subsequent years, it will range from 49% (a wildly poor year revenue wise) to 51% (a wildly successful year revenue wise).  Most years, it will fall fall right around 50%.
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2011, 06:45:26 AM »

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Quote from: Roy H. on November 27, 2011, 09:21:52 AM
There is a lot of information, and apparently, mis-reporting of the details of what's in the new CBA.  Here's a leaked memo that is being circulated to players and owners, detailing what has been agreed to in principle, according to Sam Amick:

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Some good points

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Free Agency

Sign-and-Trades

Except during the 2011-12 and 2012-13
seasons, teams are prohibited from
acquiring a free agent in a sign-and-trade if
their team salary post-transaction would
exceed the tax level by more than $4
million. The maximum contract length for a
sign-and-trade is 4 years, and maximum
annual increases are 4.5%.


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Salary Cap/Tax System


System includes a Soft Salary Cap as under the 2005 CBA.

Salary Cap and Tax levels set in relation to the projected escrow level
(escrow level equals 50% of BRI, less Benefits, divided by 30) in same
proportions as under the 2005 CBA. Salary Cap and Tax levels in years
1 and 2 to be no less than their 2010-11 levels.

Salary Cap Exceptions the same as under the 2005 CBA, except as
follows:


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o Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception: Set at $5M in years 1 and 2,
growing 3% annually thereafter; maximum contract length of 4
years; can be used every year.

o Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception: Set at $3M in year 1, growing 3%
annually thereafter; maximum contract length of 3 years; can be
used every year.

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A team in any season that uses the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level
Exception or the Bi-Annual Exception, or that in year 3 or after
acquires a free agent in a sign-and-trade transaction, cannot at any
time thereafter have a team salary at any point during that season in
excess of $4 million above the Tax level.

So the teams that pays taxes like the Celtics could SnT without paying more taxes the first two years of the CBA.
And the use of full MLE or the BAE deprives teams from going more than 4$ million over the tax level, so the Celtics won't have a problem going over the cap to sign their own free agent's if they just spend the mini-MLE. (if I understood this correctly)

We could keep both Green and Davis plus signing someone to the mini-MLE, but it doesn't mention any stretch exception as far as I could see.
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2011, 11:02:39 AM »

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I'm disappointed that the owners were unsuccessful in axing extend-and-trades (which I think are just bad for the league, a la Melo) and sign-and-trades for teams over the cap, but the league will still be a lot better under this new CBA, I think.
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Re: Details of the new CBA
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2011, 11:33:17 AM »

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Quote from: KGs Knee on November 27, 2011, 02:02:34 PM

The owners definitely made thus deal happen.  I wonder what made them drop their hardline stance finally?

Most fans were starting to forget about the NBA, and that was their biggest fear. But I was surprised to see the owners cave in like that.
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2011, 11:48:46 AM »

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Common sense and compromise I guess finally broke through to a majority of the owners and the rank and file players a like. It is not surprising at the outcome and the timing of the regular season to start on Christmas Day.

The NBA could not afford to take this season off in my humble opinion.

It looks like the Celtics will still be able to put a very competitive team out on the floor to give the "dead nut favorite" in this league a real run for their money in late May or early June. Still Danny has his work cutout for him beginning now to get the right players back and Doc has great challenges managing the workloads and competing for regular season wins. The first 20 games are absolutely critical for the Celtics. Hopefully I will get an opportunity to get out a Celtics game this winter but travel will obviously be required.
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Re: Details of the new CBA
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2011, 11:48:58 AM »

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Quote from: footey on November 28, 2011, 11:33:17 AM
Quote from: KGs Knee on November 27, 2011, 02:02:34 PM

The owners definitely made thus deal happen.  I wonder what made them drop their hardline stance finally?

Most fans were starting to forget about the NBA, and that was their biggest fear. But I was surprised to see the owners cave in like that.
The big market owners that would lose money if the season was lost finally put the screws to the small market teams is my guess.

Something along the lines of: "if you don't let us give the players something to save this year, the new CBA we propose won't just be tougher on the players we aren't sharing a dime of revenue". Assuming any actual revenue sharing of note is going to actually happen.

I actually got hopefuly when reports came out that the big market teams were pushing for a deal publically. The onwers had been kept on a tight leash until then, once Stern and the league office let that stand out there I figured it was meant to put public pressure on the smaller teams who might just want a cancelled season.
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2011, 11:56:57 AM »

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Not sure where to put this, but....

Teams will play back to back to back games???

Is this right?
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2011, 11:58:09 AM »

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Quote from: LB3533 on November 28, 2011, 11:56:57 AM
Not sure where to put this, but....

Teams will play back to back to back games???

Is this right?
I don't think any of the proposed schedules yet, but to cram 66 games into the season aftet losing two months its possible....
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2011, 05:08:06 PM »

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Quote from: LB3533 on November 28, 2011, 11:56:57 AM
Not sure where to put this, but....

Teams will play back to back to back games???

Is this right?
Yes this was confirmed by multiple sources.

"each team will play at least one back to back to back"

Those were the words of Broussard, Aldridge and a few others.
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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2011, 05:31:45 PM »

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Last year, I think we were the worst team in the league, record wise on the back end of a back to back.

I wonder if Doc just decides to rest our Big 3 in that middle game?
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