Amnesty Clause could benefit the C's

[slamtheking]

The more I think about it, this situation if it comes to pass will probably hurt the C's more than help them. 

They have no one they could sensibly use this on.  They don't have the cap room to swoop in and grab a good player that's released that would command more than the MLE (assuming that's still around). 

If this had happened next year with KG and Ray's contracts off the books, the C's would be sitting pretty with all that cap room. Unfortunately, the Danny's getting cap space a year too late to capitalize on this possibility and in a year where there's a pittance of top FA's available.  After next season it'll be Dwight or bust unless Danny has a plan to maintain cap space from year to year until another wave of top FA's becomes available OR he stockpiles young talent and goes the trade route to get top talent (as with KG and Ray).

[Moranis]

If you can't re-sign the player you cut and the amnesty clause can not be included for any player traded to your team in the off season, the amnesty clause is useless to the Celtics unless they can sign a player from another team to an MLE or lower contract.

So which center and/or PF is going to get cut that the Celtics could sign if cut:

Atlanta: Joe Johnson
Charlotte: Tyrus Thomas
Chicago: Kyle Korver
Cleveland: Baron Davis/Anderson Varejao
Dallas: Brendan Haywood/Shawn Marion
Denver: Al Harrington
Detroit: Ben Gordon
Golden State: Andris Biedrins
Houston: Hasheem Thabeet
Indiana: James Posey
LAL: Luke Walton
Miami: Mike Miller
Milwaukee: Drew Gooden/Corey Maggette
New Jersey: Travis Outlaw
New Orleans: Emeka Okafor???
Orlando: Gilbert Arenas
Philadelphia: Andres Nocioni
Phoenix: Josh Childress
Portland: Brandon Roy
Sacramento: Francisco Garcia
San Antonio: Richard Jefferson
Washington: Rashard Lewis


Really, except for Emeka Okafor, is there really anyone that the Celtics truly NEED or could use on this list? Biedrins? maybe but he doesn't play a lick of defense. Same for Harrington. Varejao would be great but I don't see a team devoid of good big men dumping him. Johnson would be a nice Ray replacement long term but is the MLE, if it exists, really going to get him and what does he really add for next year?

Joe Johnson would be a very nice signing for any team.  He still isn't that old and can play both the 2 and the 3.  In fact on the Celtics he would probably start over Allen and him, Ray, and PP would be a very strong rotation at the 2/3.  I don't think the C's would pay the type of money or length of contract he would want, but he would be a big time signing for the Celtics.

Ben Gordon would also do the same for the 1/2 rotation, though I'd rather have JJ. 

[nickagneta]

Since JJ would be getting his money from Atlanta regardless, I wonder if he would be content with a 4 year $12 million contract from the C'?

Then next year you have JJ, Rondo, Pierce and Doc Rivers as a base to entice Howard to sign and win titles with.

[wdleehi]

Since JJ would be getting his money from Atlanta regardless, I wonder if he would be content with a 4 year $12 million contract from the C'?

Then next year you have JJ, Rondo, Pierce and Doc Rivers as a base to entice Howard to sign and win titles with.

Why do we believe for a second that Atlanta is going to use it on Joe Johnson?


Fans have complained about his contract, not his team. 

[nickagneta]

Since JJ would be getting his money from Atlanta regardless, I wonder if he would be content with a 4 year $12 million contract from the C'?

Then next year you have JJ, Rondo, Pierce and Doc Rivers as a base to entice Howard to sign and win titles with.

Why do we believe for a second that Atlanta is going to use it on Joe Johnson?


Fans have complained about his contract, not his team. 

Mostly because he has a horrible contract that handicaps that team and will in the future with other young stars coming up for renewal. Also, because they gave him that contract thinking he is the leader of that team and JJ has demonstrated over and over again, he's no leader.

As for the team not complaining about his salary, last I check they are under a gag order not to say anything regarding the players due to the lockout. This amnesty clause has come up during that time so it is only logical not to have heard from ownership regarding a complaint on JJ's contract or who they would use it on.

[wdleehi]

Since JJ would be getting his money from Atlanta regardless, I wonder if he would be content with a 4 year $12 million contract from the C'?

Then next year you have JJ, Rondo, Pierce and Doc Rivers as a base to entice Howard to sign and win titles with.

Why do we believe for a second that Atlanta is going to use it on Joe Johnson?


Fans have complained about his contract, not his team. 

Mostly because he has a horrible contract that handicaps that team and will in the future with other young stars coming up for renewal. Also, because they gave him that contract thinking he is the leader of that team and JJ has demonstrated over and over again, he's no leader.

As for the team not complaining about his salary, last I check they are under a gag order not to say anything regarding the players due to the lockout. This amnesty clause has come up during that time so it is only logical not to have heard from ownership regarding a complaint on JJ's contract or who they would use it on.

They are not going to let their best player just go. 


Players with that much talent still get traded in the NBA if they are not happy with him. 

[slamtheking]

Since JJ would be getting his money from Atlanta regardless, I wonder if he would be content with a 4 year $12 million contract from the C'?

Then next year you have JJ, Rondo, Pierce and Doc Rivers as a base to entice Howard to sign and win titles with.

JJ is overpaid but not egregiously enough for Atlanta to seriously consider cutting him loose.  He's still an all-star talent, the team's best player and their go-to guy in crunch time.  He's not going anywhere.
Even if Atlanta cut him loose, why would he accept anything less than the full MLE from any team?  He'd be rightfully looking for that much and far more from any team he signs with since he's still worth much more than the MLE from a talent perspective. 

I don't buy this concept that players will accept less than what they think they're worth even if they're collecting an over-inflated paycheck from someone else.  Their egos won't allow it nor could I see the player's union allowing it since it would set a false comparitive value for other players that have to negotiate contracts during the course of his contract.  Consider what would happen under your scenario when Russell Westbrook (a comparitive talent) goes to negotiate his first FA contract and teams around the league point to JJ's deal as his comparitive worth.

[heitingas]

these players will definitely get amnestied

Southeast division

Hawks - Joe Johnson
Magic - Gilbert Arenas
Wizards - Rashard Lewis
Heat - Chris Bosh (Joel Anthony is absorbable, so is Miller even if they tried trading him,Bosh is not good at all)
Bobcats - Tyrus Thomas

Central division

Bulls - Carlos Boozer
Pistons - Ben Gordon (CV is absorbable, RIP will likely get buyout)
Bucks - Drew Gooden
Cavs - Anderson Varejao (I think he lost his trade value while Davis is expiring in a year)

Atlantic Division

Raptors - Amir Johnson (Bargnani isn't that good but he's their best player)
Nets - Travis Outlaw
Sixers - Elton Brand
Knicks - Renaldo Balkman

Southwest Division

Mavs - Brendan Haywood
Hornets - Emeka Okafor (makes room for Howard)
Grizzlies - Mike Conley (I think he will, OJ Mayo should start at PG)
Rockets - Luis Scola (he will be a bad contract very soon)
Spurs - Tony Parker (They tried to trade him before the lockout and his comments about the team was behind it)

Northwest Division

Nuggets - Al Harrington
Blazers - Brandon Roy

Pacific Division

Suns - coin toss b/w Gortat,Childress,Frye,Dudley (so many awful players,so many awful contracts)
Kings - John Salmons
GSW - David Lee
Lakers - Andrew Bynum (I believe they will shock everyone and do it! Orlando doesn't want him for Howard and Odom won't get the team option for him, they will be over 40 million but they will wait out Howard to see if he can go there through FA)

[wdleehi]

these players will definitely get amnestied

Southeast division

Hawks - Joe Johnson
Magic - Gilbert Arenas
Wizards - Rashard Lewis
Heat - Chris Bosh (Joel Anthony is absorbable, so is Miller even if they tried trading him,Bosh is not good at all)
Bobcats - Tyrus Thomas

Central division

Bulls - Carlos Boozer
Pistons - Ben Gordon (CV is absorbable, RIP will likely get buyout)
Bucks - Drew Gooden
Cavs - Anderson Varejao (I think he lost his trade value while Davis is expiring in a year)

Atlantic Division

Raptors - Amir Johnson (Bargnani isn't that good but he's their best player)
Nets - Travis Outlaw
Sixers - Elton Brand
Knicks - Renaldo Balkman

Southwest Division

Mavs - Brendan Haywood
Hornets - Emeka Okafor (makes room for Howard)
Grizzlies - Mike Conley (I think he will, OJ Mayo should start at PG)
Rockets - Luis Scola (he will be a bad contract very soon)
Spurs - Tony Parker (They tried to trade him before the lockout and his comments about the team was behind it)

Northwest Division

Nuggets - Al Harrington
Blazers - Brandon Roy

Pacific Division

Suns - coin toss b/w Gortat,Childress,Frye,Dudley (so many awful players,so many awful contracts)
Kings - John Salmons
GSW - David Lee
Lakers - Andrew Bynum (I believe they will shock everyone and do it! Orlando doesn't want him for Howard and Odom won't get the team option for him, they will be over 40 million but they will wait out Howard to see if he can go there through FA)

It is a funny list. 


Starting players on playoff teams. 


Teams best players.

Guys teams would not trade. 

[heitingas]

these players will definitely get amnestied

Southeast division

Hawks - Joe Johnson
Magic - Gilbert Arenas
Wizards - Rashard Lewis
Heat - Chris Bosh (Joel Anthony is absorbable, so is Miller even if they tried trading him,Bosh is not good at all)
Bobcats - Tyrus Thomas

Central division

Bulls - Carlos Boozer
Pistons - Ben Gordon (CV is absorbable, RIP will likely get buyout)
Bucks - Drew Gooden
Cavs - Anderson Varejao (I think he lost his trade value while Davis is expiring in a year)

Atlantic Division

Raptors - Amir Johnson (Bargnani isn't that good but he's their best player)
Nets - Travis Outlaw
Sixers - Elton Brand
Knicks - Renaldo Balkman

Southwest Division

Mavs - Brendan Haywood
Hornets - Emeka Okafor (makes room for Howard)
Grizzlies - Mike Conley (I think he will, OJ Mayo should start at PG)
Rockets - Luis Scola (he will be a bad contract very soon)
Spurs - Tony Parker (They tried to trade him before the lockout and his comments about the team was behind it)

Northwest Division

Nuggets - Al Harrington
Blazers - Brandon Roy

Pacific Division

Suns - coin toss b/w Gortat,Childress,Frye,Dudley (so many awful players,so many awful contracts)
Kings - John Salmons
GSW - David Lee
Lakers - Andrew Bynum (I believe they will shock everyone and do it! Orlando doesn't want him for Howard and Odom won't get the team option for him, they will be over 40 million but they will wait out Howard to see if he can go there through FA)

It is a funny list. 


Starting players on playoff teams. 


Teams best players.

Guys teams would not trade. 

could you be more precise ?

[CaptainJackLee]

these players will definitely get amnestied

Southeast division

Hawks - Joe Johnson
Magic - Gilbert Arenas
Wizards - Rashard Lewis
Heat - Chris Bosh (Joel Anthony is absorbable, so is Miller even if they tried trading him,Bosh is not good at all)
Bobcats - Tyrus Thomas

Central division

Bulls - Carlos Boozer
Pistons - Ben Gordon (CV is absorbable, RIP will likely get buyout)
Bucks - Drew Gooden
Cavs - Anderson Varejao (I think he lost his trade value while Davis is expiring in a year)

Atlantic Division

Raptors - Amir Johnson (Bargnani isn't that good but he's their best player)
Nets - Travis Outlaw
Sixers - Elton Brand
Knicks - Renaldo Balkman

Southwest Division

Mavs - Brendan Haywood
Hornets - Emeka Okafor (makes room for Howard)
Grizzlies - Mike Conley (I think he will, OJ Mayo should start at PG)
Rockets - Luis Scola (he will be a bad contract very soon)
Spurs - Tony Parker (They tried to trade him before the lockout and his comments about the team was behind it)

Northwest Division

Nuggets - Al Harrington
Blazers - Brandon Roy

Pacific Division

Suns - coin toss b/w Gortat,Childress,Frye,Dudley (so many awful players,so many awful contracts)
Kings - John Salmons
GSW - David Lee
Lakers - Andrew Bynum (I believe they will shock everyone and do it! Orlando doesn't want him for Howard and Odom won't get the team option for him, they will be over 40 million but they will wait out Howard to see if he can go there through FA)

Those contracts in green are not only not bad, some of them are really great. PLus some of the others are arguable but not bad enough to be cut. Joe Johnson is one of those cases.

[Moranis]

Since JJ would be getting his money from Atlanta regardless, I wonder if he would be content with a 4 year $12 million contract from the C'?

Then next year you have JJ, Rondo, Pierce and Doc Rivers as a base to entice Howard to sign and win titles with.

I imagine the rule will work that any money a player receives from a new team will be deducted from the old team, so it might actually work out that a player like JJ may sign for the minimum.

Of course I don't actually think Atlanta will waive JJ for all the reasons I would want him on the Celtics. 

[wdleehi]

these players will definitely get amnestied

Southeast division

Hawks - Joe Johnson
Magic - Gilbert Arenas
Wizards - Rashard Lewis
Heat - Chris Bosh (Joel Anthony is absorbable, so is Miller even if they tried trading him,Bosh is not good at all)
Bobcats - Tyrus Thomas

Central division

Bulls - Carlos Boozer
Pistons - Ben Gordon (CV is absorbable, RIP will likely get buyout)
Bucks - Drew Gooden
Cavs - Anderson Varejao (I think he lost his trade value while Davis is expiring in a year)

Atlantic Division

Raptors - Amir Johnson (Bargnani isn't that good but he's their best player)
Nets - Travis Outlaw
Sixers - Elton Brand
Knicks - Renaldo Balkman

Southwest Division

Mavs - Brendan Haywood
Hornets - Emeka Okafor (makes room for Howard)
Grizzlies - Mike Conley (I think he will, OJ Mayo should start at PG)
Rockets - Luis Scola (he will be a bad contract very soon)
Spurs - Tony Parker (They tried to trade him before the lockout and his comments about the team was behind it)

Northwest Division

Nuggets - Al Harrington
Blazers - Brandon Roy

Pacific Division

Suns - coin toss b/w Gortat,Childress,Frye,Dudley (so many awful players,so many awful contracts)
Kings - John Salmons
GSW - David Lee
Lakers - Andrew Bynum (I believe they will shock everyone and do it! Orlando doesn't want him for Howard and Odom won't get the team option for him, they will be over 40 million but they will wait out Howard to see if he can go there through FA)

It is a funny list. 


Starting players on playoff teams. 


Teams best players.

Guys teams would not trade. 

could you be more precise ?

Joe Johnson, Atlanta's best player

Conley, one of the better young PGs (not to be a star, more of the Andre Miller level)

Gortat, the starting C they just traded for

Bynum, the young C the Lakers keep saying they will not trade

Tony Parker, they just traded away Hill, his backup.

[Chris]

these players will definitely get amnestied

Southeast division

Hawks - Joe Johnson
Magic - Gilbert Arenas
Wizards - Rashard Lewis
Heat - Chris Bosh (Joel Anthony is absorbable, so is Miller even if they tried trading him,Bosh is not good at all)
Bobcats - Tyrus Thomas

Central division

Bulls - Carlos Boozer
Pistons - Ben Gordon (CV is absorbable, RIP will likely get buyout)
Bucks - Drew Gooden
Cavs - Anderson Varejao (I think he lost his trade value while Davis is expiring in a year)

Atlantic Division

Raptors - Amir Johnson (Bargnani isn't that good but he's their best player)
Nets - Travis Outlaw
Sixers - Elton Brand
Knicks - Renaldo Balkman

Southwest Division

Mavs - Brendan Haywood
Hornets - Emeka Okafor (makes room for Howard)
Grizzlies - Mike Conley (I think he will, OJ Mayo should start at PG)
Rockets - Luis Scola (he will be a bad contract very soon)
Spurs - Tony Parker (They tried to trade him before the lockout and his comments about the team was behind it)

Northwest Division

Nuggets - Al Harrington
Blazers - Brandon Roy

Pacific Division

Suns - coin toss b/w Gortat,Childress,Frye,Dudley (so many awful players,so many awful contracts)
Kings - John Salmons
GSW - David Lee
Lakers - Andrew Bynum (I believe they will shock everyone and do it! Orlando doesn't want him for Howard and Odom won't get the team option for him, they will be over 40 million but they will wait out Howard to see if he can go there through FA)

It is a funny list. 


Starting players on playoff teams. 


Teams best players.

Guys teams would not trade. 

could you be more precise ?

Joe Johnson, Atlanta's best player

Conley, one of the better young PGs (not to be a star, more of the Andre Miller level)

Gortat, the starting C they just traded for

Bynum, the young C the Lakers keep saying they will not trade

Tony Parker, they just traded away Hill, his backup.

Boozer - an Allstar level big man, who many teams would trade for.

Bosh - Ditto

Varajao - Starting quality big man on a reasonable contract

Scola - one of the best bargains in the NBA (not on a rookie contract)

Dudley - other than Gortat, could be the Suns best young player, and is underpaid

I am really not sure what this list is based on.  I also think its important to remember that an Amnesty clause would almost certainly still require teams to pay these guys salaries, they would just come off the cap.  So, teams are going to be VERY reluctant to use it on productive players unless they have a really good reason.

I think much like the last Amnesty clause, it will be used mostly on true dead weight guys, not guys who have slightly underperformed to expectations.

[BASS_THUMPER]

It wouldn't help us to release someone (we have no one to release) but it might help us to trade for someone and then release them. Like Orlando will want to release Hedo and Arenas. They'll most likely pick Arenas, but what if we traded them for Hedo, something like Hedo+Ryan Andersen or Hedo+a 1st rounder. We could then release Hedo and still have an extra player/pick.

LOL!!!

u been holdin the optimo too long


pass that~