Author Topic: What are your hopes and expectations for each Celtic? (Read 3478 times)

bfrombleacher · « **on:** August 20, 2011, 08:20:16 AM »

As titled, what are your expectations for next season and hopes for each Celtic?

I really love the rookies this year and our own sophomore, Avery Bradley. The Celtics are also reportedly going to get Gilbert Brown, which I am really digging. I hope Doc plays the newcomers more in the less tough games, which is great for both the newbies and the vets. I also like the fact that our rookies finished college. The experience would help them transition mroe easily.

Avery Bradley

Expectations for next season: He was way behind on his training thanks to an injury and was a serious non-factor being without any point guard or, more importantly, NBA skills. After a training camp, He should be able to play a few meaningful minutes and reduce Delonte's minutes (and remove our need for a backup point guard. Delonte is really too fragile). I think he is a steal and hope Danny doesn't give up on him.

Hopes: His career high against the Knicks - offensively, I hope he can do that consistently and run the team a little bit. I love his defense but I also hope he improves on that too so he can become more versatile on that end of the floor as well. What would be amazing is if he has the ability to start at two guard occasionally.

Gilbert Brown

Expectations next season: With rookies, you don't really know what to expect since the college game is so different so my expectations for the rookies would be simply for them to learn the game.

Hopes: The next Tony Allen - that's what the sportswriters called him. I would be happy if he manages to do that. He seems to have some offensive prowess. So, all in all, a less boneheaded, more offensively capable Tony Allen.

E'Twaun Moore

Hopes: Solid bench player. I think that is very achievable. A Marquis-esque player. If he becomes good enough to play some minutes at the three, we would have a very formidable bench in the backcourt with a lot of versatility. We would be able to go small without losing defense.

Jajuan Johnson

Expectations next season: Johnson should be able to relieve KG of some minutes after a month or two of NBA ball.

Hopes: The next Kevin Garnett. That is the best case scenario. Realistically, a solid, healthy starting calibur power forward.

Rondo

Expectations next season: Get a jumpshot.

Hopes: Rondo continues his incredible growth as a player. In case you didn't know, he improved statistically every single year. I hope he adopts his game to become even less reliant on his athleticism and, definitely, that he retires a Celtic with his number in the rafters. I think he can also be a Hall of Famer but he would have to work really, really hard.

Jeff Green

Expectations next season: Less timid with better defense. I think playing time and more touches would help.

Hopes: A borderline all-star player. Basically, what he was expected to be when he was drafted. Too big for small forwards and too small for power forwards.

Troy Murphy

Expectations next season: Well...don't really know what to expect.

Hopes: He becomes at least half the player he was in his prime. I think he's worth a gamble considering how little he would probably be paid.

wdleehi · « **Reply #1 on:** August 20, 2011, 12:10:54 PM »

Bradley - time in the dleague to work on becoming a PG. This lockout really hurts him since he has so much work to do.

Brown - not on the Celtics.

Moore - not on the Celtics (told to stay in Italy)

Johnson - A lot of time in the d-league to grow as a player. Celtics are looking to win this year.

Rondo - Similar to last season with more consistency

Green - more comfortable with the Celtics, but still not a good fit for what they need from a backup SF

Murphy - hope he finds his shot, but really, not a clue. If he finds his shot, he could challenge for the starting C spot, but it will hurt the defense.

Jon · « **Reply #2 on:** August 20, 2011, 04:37:43 PM »

Brown and Moore I don't see on the team. If they are, I don't see them doing much.

Troy Murphy is a crapshoot too.

With Avery Bradley, assuming Delonte comes back, he's not going to get a lot of playing time unless there's an injury. So my hope for him is really that he'll be able to fill in for Rondo or Delonte in a pinch. And my expectation is that he can at least play adequate NBA level defense.

JaJuan Johnson I actually have high hopes for, and it's not because I think he's the next KG. As a 4 year player he should be able to adapt to life in the NBA fairly well. On top of that, his ability to play above the ring should give him similar offensive opportunities to what Shaq had last year, assuming he plays at least part of the time with the starters. Thus, he doesn't need to be able to post up. He just needs to be able to finish an alley-oops when defenses sag off him. He can do that.

Green I also have confidence in. I think he'll improve and be more comfortable. And though he may never be an All Star talent, simply moderate gains in the aforementioned areas could make him look like an All Star playing with the talent he has in Boston.

Rondo is really the million dollar question. All of us certainly hope he develops a jumper and becomes a top 10 player in the NBA. However, I'd settle for him simply becoming a more consistent scorer. I love his unselfishness, but even without a jumper, attacking the rim more will open up things for everyone.

Who · « **Reply #3 on:** August 20, 2011, 07:51:15 PM »

Rajon Rondo - to continue in establishing himself as a top 4 PG

Jeff Green - to make a good improvement on defense and rebounding and a better understanding of when/how to be aggressive within the Celtics offense. To become a top 20 SF which he is more than capable of doing.

JaJuan Johnson - to be a borderline rotation player. Hoping the Celtics rely on established veterans for regular rotation roles so I am hoping JJJ is a third string PF.

Avery Bradley - to be an able third string PG

I don't expect T.Murphy, E.Moore or G.Brown to be on the Celtics roster next year. I think Troy Murphy will get a better offer elsewhere, in terms of available playing time, and will hence leave the Celtics.

I doubt that either of the other two will be talented enough, as rookies, to be worth a roster spot to a Championship caliber team. I would rather see Danny employ a pair of established veterans instead. Someone Doc can rely on during the course of the season where necessary.

bfrombleacher · « **Reply #4 on:** August 20, 2011, 07:53:55 PM »

Quote from: Jon on August 20, 2011, 04:37:43 PM

Brown and Moore I don't see on the team. If they are, I don't see them doing much.

Troy Murphy is a crapshoot too.

With Avery Bradley, assuming Delonte comes back, he's not going to get a lot of playing time unless there's an injury. So my hope for him is really that he'll be able to fill in for Rondo or Delonte in a pinch. And my expectation is that he can at least play adequate NBA level defense.

JaJuan Johnson I actually have high hopes for, and it's not because I think he's the next KG. As a 4 year player he should be able to adapt to life in the NBA fairly well. On top of that, his ability to play above the ring should give him similar offensive opportunities to what Shaq had last year, assuming he plays at least part of the time with the starters. Thus, he doesn't need to be able to post up. He just needs to be able to finish an alley-oops when defenses sag off him. He can do that.

Green I also have confidence in. I think he'll improve and be more comfortable. And though he may never be an All Star talent, simply moderate gains in the aforementioned areas could make him look like an All Star playing with the talent he has in Boston.

Rondo is really the million dollar question. All of us certainly hope he develops a jumper and becomes a top 10 player in the NBA. However, I'd settle for him simply becoming a more consistent scorer. I love his unselfishness, but even without a jumper, attacking the rim more will open up things for everyone.

I think Brown and Moore have also done 4 years. I'm more interested in Brown since he can provide depth in both wings and the sportswriters are calling him Tony Allen 2.0. Moore I'm sure can become a solid role player. Neither would contribute next year, especially Moore. I think another hope for Moore would be for him to learn to play some at the point.

I think Avery's defense is very near the NBA level. Homecourt advantage is going very tough to get, might as well preserve Delonte and the vets. That is why I hope Bradley, J.J.J. and Brown and maybe even Moore would get minutes. It's the best for both worlds.

I'm confident in Rondo. A jump shot would mean he could have a much longer shelf life in the NBA.

slamtheking · « **Reply #5 on:** August 20, 2011, 09:22:22 PM »

Quote from: bfrombleacher on August 20, 2011, 07:53:55 PM

Quote from: Jon on August 20, 2011, 04:37:43 PM
Brown and Moore I don't see on the team. If they are, I don't see them doing much.

Troy Murphy is a crapshoot too.

With Avery Bradley, assuming Delonte comes back, he's not going to get a lot of playing time unless there's an injury. So my hope for him is really that he'll be able to fill in for Rondo or Delonte in a pinch. And my expectation is that he can at least play adequate NBA level defense.

JaJuan Johnson I actually have high hopes for, and it's not because I think he's the next KG. As a 4 year player he should be able to adapt to life in the NBA fairly well. On top of that, his ability to play above the ring should give him similar offensive opportunities to what Shaq had last year, assuming he plays at least part of the time with the starters. Thus, he doesn't need to be able to post up. He just needs to be able to finish an alley-oops when defenses sag off him. He can do that.

Green I also have confidence in. I think he'll improve and be more comfortable. And though he may never be an All Star talent, simply moderate gains in the aforementioned areas could make him look like an All Star playing with the talent he has in Boston.

Rondo is really the million dollar question. All of us certainly hope he develops a jumper and becomes a top 10 player in the NBA. However, I'd settle for him simply becoming a more consistent scorer. I love his unselfishness, but even without a jumper, attacking the rim more will open up things for everyone.

I think Brown and Moore have also done 4 years. I'm more interested in Brown since he can provide depth in both wings and the sportswriters are calling him Tony Allen 2.0. Moore I'm sure can become a solid role player. Neither would contribute next year, especially Moore. I think another hope for Moore would be for him to learn to play some at the point.

I think Avery's defense is very near the NBA level. Homecourt advantage is going very tough to get, might as well preserve Delonte and the vets. That is why I hope Bradley, J.J.J. and Brown and maybe even Moore would get minutes. It's the best for both worlds.

I'm confident in Rondo. A jump shot would mean he could have a much longer shelf life in the NBA.

the TA 2.0 analogy is a lot of hot air. If he really was that good, he'd have been drafted in the mid-1st round if not higher in this weak draft.

bfrombleacher · « **Reply #6 on:** August 21, 2011, 04:59:38 AM »

Quote from: slamtheking on August 20, 2011, 09:22:22 PM

Quote from: bfrombleacher on August 20, 2011, 07:53:55 PM
Quote from: Jon on August 20, 2011, 04:37:43 PM
Brown and Moore I don't see on the team. If they are, I don't see them doing much.

Troy Murphy is a crapshoot too.

With Avery Bradley, assuming Delonte comes back, he's not going to get a lot of playing time unless there's an injury. So my hope for him is really that he'll be able to fill in for Rondo or Delonte in a pinch. And my expectation is that he can at least play adequate NBA level defense.

JaJuan Johnson I actually have high hopes for, and it's not because I think he's the next KG. As a 4 year player he should be able to adapt to life in the NBA fairly well. On top of that, his ability to play above the ring should give him similar offensive opportunities to what Shaq had last year, assuming he plays at least part of the time with the starters. Thus, he doesn't need to be able to post up. He just needs to be able to finish an alley-oops when defenses sag off him. He can do that.

Green I also have confidence in. I think he'll improve and be more comfortable. And though he may never be an All Star talent, simply moderate gains in the aforementioned areas could make him look like an All Star playing with the talent he has in Boston.

Rondo is really the million dollar question. All of us certainly hope he develops a jumper and becomes a top 10 player in the NBA. However, I'd settle for him simply becoming a more consistent scorer. I love his unselfishness, but even without a jumper, attacking the rim more will open up things for everyone.

I think Brown and Moore have also done 4 years. I'm more interested in Brown since he can provide depth in both wings and the sportswriters are calling him Tony Allen 2.0. Moore I'm sure can become a solid role player. Neither would contribute next year, especially Moore. I think another hope for Moore would be for him to learn to play some at the point.

I think Avery's defense is very near the NBA level. Homecourt advantage is going very tough to get, might as well preserve Delonte and the vets. That is why I hope Bradley, J.J.J. and Brown and maybe even Moore would get minutes. It's the best for both worlds.

I'm confident in Rondo. A jump shot would mean he could have a much longer shelf life in the NBA.
the TA 2.0 analogy is a lot of hot air. If he really was that good, he'd have been drafted in the mid-1st round if not higher in this weak draft.

By weak draft they mean weak for lottery picks, there's quite a few solid, serviceable, non-superstar players in the middle. Don't quote me on this but from what I got through reading DraftExpress's report (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gilbert-Brown-5150/),I think Gilbert Brown was un-drafted because he's going to be at least 24 when the season starts and his offense is virtually not existent. I'm hoping this means he'll be a Tony Allen with 2 additional inches and while being less boneheaded on the offensive end.

slamtheking · « **Reply #7 on:** August 21, 2011, 09:47:10 AM »

Quote from: bfrombleacher on August 21, 2011, 04:59:38 AM

Quote from: slamtheking on August 20, 2011, 09:22:22 PM
Quote from: bfrombleacher on August 20, 2011, 07:53:55 PM
Quote from: Jon on August 20, 2011, 04:37:43 PM
Brown and Moore I don't see on the team. If they are, I don't see them doing much.

Troy Murphy is a crapshoot too.

With Avery Bradley, assuming Delonte comes back, he's not going to get a lot of playing time unless there's an injury. So my hope for him is really that he'll be able to fill in for Rondo or Delonte in a pinch. And my expectation is that he can at least play adequate NBA level defense.

JaJuan Johnson I actually have high hopes for, and it's not because I think he's the next KG. As a 4 year player he should be able to adapt to life in the NBA fairly well. On top of that, his ability to play above the ring should give him similar offensive opportunities to what Shaq had last year, assuming he plays at least part of the time with the starters. Thus, he doesn't need to be able to post up. He just needs to be able to finish an alley-oops when defenses sag off him. He can do that.

Green I also have confidence in. I think he'll improve and be more comfortable. And though he may never be an All Star talent, simply moderate gains in the aforementioned areas could make him look like an All Star playing with the talent he has in Boston.

Rondo is really the million dollar question. All of us certainly hope he develops a jumper and becomes a top 10 player in the NBA. However, I'd settle for him simply becoming a more consistent scorer. I love his unselfishness, but even without a jumper, attacking the rim more will open up things for everyone.

I think Brown and Moore have also done 4 years. I'm more interested in Brown since he can provide depth in both wings and the sportswriters are calling him Tony Allen 2.0. Moore I'm sure can become a solid role player. Neither would contribute next year, especially Moore. I think another hope for Moore would be for him to learn to play some at the point.

I think Avery's defense is very near the NBA level. Homecourt advantage is going very tough to get, might as well preserve Delonte and the vets. That is why I hope Bradley, J.J.J. and Brown and maybe even Moore would get minutes. It's the best for both worlds.

I'm confident in Rondo. A jump shot would mean he could have a much longer shelf life in the NBA.
the TA 2.0 analogy is a lot of hot air. If he really was that good, he'd have been drafted in the mid-1st round if not higher in this weak draft.

By weak draft they mean weak for lottery picks, there's quite a few solid, serviceable, non-superstar players in the middle. Don't quote me on this but from what I got through reading DraftExpress's report (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gilbert-Brown-5150/),I think Gilbert Brown was un-drafted because he's going to be at least 24 when the season starts and his offense is virtually not existent. I'm hoping this means he'll be a Tony Allen with 2 additional inches and while being less boneheaded on the offensive end.

this would be a contradiction in expectations in my book.

I don't have anything against bringing him in for a tryout and seeing how he pans out. it's not like undrafted players haven't made a roster but I think any aspirations for him to make the roster, much less break the rotation, are past the point of optimism.

Celtics4ever · « **Reply #8 on:** August 21, 2011, 04:34:38 PM »

I think what we expect depends on the length of the season. If we have a season....

Johnson - I think Johnson will be a starter in the league in a few years. He is a phenom athlete. I recall when Centers were routinely 230 like the Chief. He is a PF and he needs some strength and mass. Strength is the more important of the two and it's easier to add than the mass for most. I don't know his star potential but he is going to be a capable starter. I see him playing this year in the NBA.

Rondo - Rondo needs to continue on improving his shot and his overall game. I hope he recovers completely from Wade's evil assault and borderline criminal takedown.

Bradley - Nothing is wrong with Avery's defense. He just needs experience, respect from the refs and some playing time. He has a good motor and his defensive stance is good. I hope he works on his shot too.

Pierce, Allen and KG - stay healthy.

Delonte - stay healthy. I am increasingly souring on his dependability as a player. I know he is a gamer but I think we over rate him a tad here.

Rest of the roster is up in the air. I am for trading Davis for a more traditional aging big man. I 'd rather have Kurt Thomas type than Big Baby at this point.

If we don't have a season this year. Then we go into rebuild mode and play the kids. I'd even consider sending some of the vets packing for a younger building block. I am not convinced that the Big Three can play at a high level in another year. While we might contend this year sooner or later one of the wheels is going to fall off. I've seen us grow old once and it was very painful and left the cover bare for years.

bfrombleacher · « **Reply #9 on:** August 21, 2011, 09:00:21 PM »

Quote from: slamtheking on August 21, 2011, 09:47:10 AM

Quote from: bfrombleacher on August 21, 2011, 04:59:38 AM
Quote from: slamtheking on August 20, 2011, 09:22:22 PM
Quote from: bfrombleacher on August 20, 2011, 07:53:55 PM
Quote from: Jon on August 20, 2011, 04:37:43 PM
Brown and Moore I don't see on the team. If they are, I don't see them doing much.

Troy Murphy is a crapshoot too.

With Avery Bradley, assuming Delonte comes back, he's not going to get a lot of playing time unless there's an injury. So my hope for him is really that he'll be able to fill in for Rondo or Delonte in a pinch. And my expectation is that he can at least play adequate NBA level defense.

JaJuan Johnson I actually have high hopes for, and it's not because I think he's the next KG. As a 4 year player he should be able to adapt to life in the NBA fairly well. On top of that, his ability to play above the ring should give him similar offensive opportunities to what Shaq had last year, assuming he plays at least part of the time with the starters. Thus, he doesn't need to be able to post up. He just needs to be able to finish an alley-oops when defenses sag off him. He can do that.

Green I also have confidence in. I think he'll improve and be more comfortable. And though he may never be an All Star talent, simply moderate gains in the aforementioned areas could make him look like an All Star playing with the talent he has in Boston.

Rondo is really the million dollar question. All of us certainly hope he develops a jumper and becomes a top 10 player in the NBA. However, I'd settle for him simply becoming a more consistent scorer. I love his unselfishness, but even without a jumper, attacking the rim more will open up things for everyone.

I think Brown and Moore have also done 4 years. I'm more interested in Brown since he can provide depth in both wings and the sportswriters are calling him Tony Allen 2.0. Moore I'm sure can become a solid role player. Neither would contribute next year, especially Moore. I think another hope for Moore would be for him to learn to play some at the point.

I think Avery's defense is very near the NBA level. Homecourt advantage is going very tough to get, might as well preserve Delonte and the vets. That is why I hope Bradley, J.J.J. and Brown and maybe even Moore would get minutes. It's the best for both worlds.

I'm confident in Rondo. A jump shot would mean he could have a much longer shelf life in the NBA.
the TA 2.0 analogy is a lot of hot air. If he really was that good, he'd have been drafted in the mid-1st round if not higher in this weak draft.

By weak draft they mean weak for lottery picks, there's quite a few solid, serviceable, non-superstar players in the middle. Don't quote me on this but from what I got through reading DraftExpress's report (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gilbert-Brown-5150/),I think Gilbert Brown was un-drafted because he's going to be at least 24 when the season starts and his offense is virtually not existent. I'm hoping this means he'll be a Tony Allen with 2 additional inches and while being less boneheaded on the offensive end.
this would be a contradiction in expectations in my book.

I don't have anything against bringing him in for a tryout and seeing how he pans out. it's not like undrafted players haven't made a roster but I think any aspirations for him to make the roster, much less break the rotation, are past the point of optimism.

Tony Allen also has zero offense but he regularly turns the ball over and has made some strange decisions on that end of the floor. Scouts say Brown plays within himself which is a good sign.

Let's hope Gilbert Brown did not get drafted because of his age and offense, which has not developed despite the experience. I honestly cannot tell since I don't follow college games.

diconzo · « **Reply #10 on:** August 22, 2011, 11:22:12 PM »

I have one expectation/idea for the Celtics. If the lockout goes until march and there is a 25 or 30 game schedule;

Avery,JaJuan,Ray,Rondo,KG,Paul, and Jermaine organize workout/rehab sessions and get Shaq and Rasheed back in playing shape. (I seriously think the lockout will be long enough to get RASHEED in playing shape) Also Shaq could pay for the best rehab/surgery in the world with the money in his couch. Also we would want to have Jeff Green, Delonte, and Big Baby come to these because its more than likely they get resigned. That's 12 people right there. I bet Rasheed and Shaq would be estatic to give up 3 months to steamroll to an NBA championship, Because an entire NBA season is a completely different story and must keep players from their families.

Keep in mind our roster would look like that without using any offseason tools like MLE. We could go out and sign a player like Jamal Crawford with the full MLE, or someone else. Because our roster would look like;

PG) Rondo, West, Bradley
SG) Ray
SF) Pierce, Green
PF) KG, Sheed, Big Baby, JaJuan
C) Shaq, Jermaine

To fill out the last 3 roster spots my 'ideal' choices would be Marquis, Crawford, and someone random to be the 3rd inactive with Bradley and JaJuan.

If that all went according to plan, (Shaq getting successful surgery and rehab, Sheed getting back in playing shape, etc.) You can't say that's not a contending team. On a regular season, that roster is iffy, but for an under 50 game season, its ideal in my opinion.

Redz · « **Reply #11 on:** August 22, 2011, 11:23:38 PM »

can't see Sheed or Shaq playing again.

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