Should Danny try to get another 1st rounder?

[KCattheStripe]

At some point you just have to say "hmmm. Maybe he's not that great a drafter"

... compared to...?

If you want to argue that DA is a bad drafter, fine.  But he has to be bad *in relation* to something.

I'm not saying DA is a good or bad drafter, bc I can't take the time to analyze what he has done relative to what other GMs have done.

I'll gladly take my hat off and give many TPs to the person who does the proper draft analysis this would take. 

That's a very good point.


San Antonio of course. They've done phenomenal.

Off the top of my just thinking out loud.

Ok City  Durant, Green, Russell W, Ibaka, Harden.  

Memphis   Gay, Arthur, Gasol, Conley

Indiana Paul George, Hibbert, Tyler Hansbrough, Danny Granger, Brandon Rush

Clippers Eric Gordon, DeAndre Jordan, Blake Griffin, Eric Bledsoe, Al Farouq Amini

OKC: Lotto, Lotto, Lotto, 24th, Lotto

Indy: Lotto, Lotto,Lotto, Taken just before the Cs could grab him, Lotto

Memphis: Lotto, Lotto, Traded to them, Lotto

Clippers: Lotto, Picked in the 2nd round where we can all agree Danny Excels, Lotto, Lotto, 18th pick.

Is it really fair to judge Danny's recent drafting history with a bunch of teams that have been losing enough to be in the lottery perpetually?

[nickagneta]

I am fine with buying another 1st rounder. Trading for one, not so much.

I have no problem with rookies as the 13th, 14th, and 15th bodies on next year's roster.

What happens if the new CBA calls for only 13 or 14 roster spots and you already have Bradley as one? Would you still want 2-3 rooks on the end of the bench?

Just wondering?

I've not heard anything about roster sizes being part of the discussion re: the new CBA.

Even so, I would be OK with certain rookies occupying those spots: four-year seniors, legit big men, defenders, rebounders.

If roster sizes should change between draft night and the opening of the new season, I'm sure Ainge can figure out a way to manage things.

Smaller roster sizes were discussed in January before the proposal came out in May but instead the owners came out instead with massive cuts in current contract salaries of up to 25%. The players hate this and my guess might be to keep current contracts intact and reduce roster size.

If that happened, I wouldn't be too cool with a roster size of 14 and 3-4 of those spots being rookies and Bradley. Not for a team trying to make one final run at a championship with basically ten players that can be relied upon in the playoffs and a bunch older and more prone to breaking down or injury.

[erisred]

I am fine with buying another 1st rounder. Trading for one, not so much.

I have no problem with rookies as the 13th, 14th, and 15th bodies on next year's roster.

I'd prefer he buy an early 2nd rounder, but I think...this year...a 1st rounder in the 15+ region is going to be as cheap (or cheaper) than a 2nd rounder.

The only downsides to the C's buying another 1st rounder are the money and the roster spot. Wyc said he would spend the money and the 14th and 15th roster spots will *not* make the difference between winning or not winning a championship next year.

[Lucky17]

I am fine with buying another 1st rounder. Trading for one, not so much.

I have no problem with rookies as the 13th, 14th, and 15th bodies on next year's roster.

What happens if the new CBA calls for only 13 or 14 roster spots and you already have Bradley as one? Would you still want 2-3 rooks on the end of the bench?

Just wondering?

I've not heard anything about roster sizes being part of the discussion re: the new CBA.

Even so, I would be OK with certain rookies occupying those spots: four-year seniors, legit big men, defenders, rebounders.

If roster sizes should change between draft night and the opening of the new season, I'm sure Ainge can figure out a way to manage things.

Smaller roster sizes were discussed in January before the proposal came out in May but instead the owners came out instead with massive cuts in current contract salaries of up to 25%. The players hate this and my guess might be to keep current contracts intact and reduce roster size.

If that happened, I wouldn't be too cool with a roster size of 14 and 3-4 of those spots being rookies and Bradley. Not for a team trying to make one final run at a championship with basically ten players that can be relied upon in the playoffs and a bunch older and more prone to breaking down or injury.

4 rookies is too much. I would be fine with 2, going back to the original question: yes, Ainge should buy another first rounder.

I am also skeptical that Bradley will be able to contribute much to a championship-contending club. He's still way too young to serve as a backup PG. His only real position with the club might be as a defender.

[bballdog384]

Danny should buy one more second round pick. It's going to be harder/impossible to sign undrafted FAs and, IMO, this draft has some solid role players all the way from 10 to 60. Buying an early second rounder means that they will have an extra chance to get someone for the future without sacrificing an extra roster spot (contracts for 2nd rounders aren't guaranteed).

[Eja117]

At some point you just have to say "hmmm. Maybe he's not that great a drafter"

... compared to...?

If you want to argue that DA is a bad drafter, fine.  But he has to be bad *in relation* to something.

I'm not saying DA is a good or bad drafter, bc I can't take the time to analyze what he has done relative to what other GMs have done.

I'll gladly take my hat off and give many TPs to the person who does the proper draft analysis this would take. 

That's a very good point.


San Antonio of course. They've done phenomenal.

Off the top of my just thinking out loud.

Ok City  Durant, Green, Russell W, Ibaka, Harden.  

Memphis   Gay, Arthur, Gasol, Conley

Indiana Paul George, Hibbert, Tyler Hansbrough, Danny Granger, Brandon Rush

Clippers Eric Gordon, DeAndre Jordan, Blake Griffin, Eric Bledsoe, Al Farouq Amini

OKC: Lotto, Lotto, Lotto, 24th, Lotto

Indy: Lotto, Lotto,Lotto, Taken just before the Cs could grab him, Lotto

Memphis: Lotto, Lotto, Traded to them, Lotto

Clippers: Lotto, Picked in the 2nd round where we can all agree Danny Excels, Lotto, Lotto, 18th pick.

Is it really fair to judge Danny's recent drafting history with a bunch of teams that have been losing enough to be in the lottery perpetually?

A lot of these picks are lotto. Some of them are teens. Danny has made some picks in the teens. They were all awful picks. 

Also the Spurs aren't consistently in the lotto. 

[Eja117]

Those aren't just two misses. Those are two pretty awful awful picks.  

I do not understand for the life of me why people are saying the jury is out on Bradley. It was a horrid pick the instant the pick was made and it's horrid now.  He did Nothing. Nothing. Nothing good whatsoever the entire year (except the 20 point game in a virtual exhibition game the last game of the year).  

I'd like people to point out other players that did nothing their first year and then became great. There aren't many. He's not Jermaine O'Neal, and to be fair O'Neal was drafted as an 18 year old, not after a year in the Big 12.


He picked Pruitt as the 2nd pick in the 2nd round. That has me concerned. He could have had Marc Gasol.

He picked Jeff Green #5, then traded him, then traded back for him.

He picked Gerald Green # 18

And he basically picked Marcus Banks #13.

I'm not confident in Danny Ainge as a drafter any more.

Cherrypicking of the highest order. Isn't there some sort of looking in the mirror that you have to do if you are constantly critical of Danny Ainge and Bill Belichick?

Oh God no......Well actually yes.  Hello genius GM of multiple sports. You look very handsome today. Oh no really. You do.

[Spoon]

A lot of these picks are lotto. Some of them are teens. Danny has made some picks in the teens. They were all awful picks.  

Also the Spurs aren't consistently in the lotto.  

The point was that almost of all those picks are lotto picks. The majority of picks from 13-30 flame out. So your comparisons are not apt.

The point is also you are cherry picking and being a whiny fan. Please listen to me. NO GM GETS EVERY PICK RIGHT. Now you wanted Marc Gasol. Where were you on draft night four years ago? Geez.

And you might be the first person in history to praise the GM of the Clippers. I guess after drafting early for the past 20 years, they finally got a few players.

But go on thinking Ainge is a bad drafter since he didn't hit with Giddens at #30 two years ago. And everyone would of picked Gerald Green at 18.

A bad drafter is some who screws up lotto picks. Very rarely do you get an elite player at #21 like Ainge did when he traded for Rondo.

The fact that you are calling Bradley a bust after one year is enough to ignore your opinion as trollish.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

How about Danny just try to get an early second round in exchange for his 2nd + some cash? He can maybe land a gem early in the 2nd round. Maybe Marshon Brooks might still be available at 34 or 35.