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Lebron had a bad game 4, but the reason he has hit this rough stretch is actually because of Dywane Wade.

Wade is demanding the ball and continuously isolating against he Mavs wing defenders because he thinks he can beat them 1v1. (terry and Kidd and stevenson).
Problem is he's taking it himself so often that it's stopping Lebron from getting into a rhythm.

Wade's basically decided that he's going to win the title and it's his team and he doesn't want Lebron getting all the credit.
Go back and watch how many times wade has dribbled down the court- ala kobe bryant- from half way, waited till there's 14 seconds on the shot clock, then decided to take it to the hole for all the glory or leave his teammates with a jumpshot once the Mavs have doubled him.

I feel bad for Lebron because he should be getting the ball much more.

Maybe.  On the other hand, Lebron had 19 shot attempts (Wade had 12), and picked up 10 assists and 4 turnovers, so it's not like the ball isn't in his hands.

I would love to see how many jump shots Lebron took out of those possessions (and how much time was left when they were taken), and how many possessions were in the 4th quarter.

I believe D Wade's thirst for isolation is secretly killing his team. Like a Kobe Bryant game where he scores 40 and the Lakers lose. Dribble up from half court, wait till the clock winds down and take it mamba style-you'll hit enough if you shoot enough.




I guess the question is, is Wade to be blamed for Lebron's lack of aggressiveness, is that on Lebron's shoulders, or do the Mavs simply get a lot of credit for their defense?

I think the one thing that Lebron has done well, is not try to force too much- maybe that's a reaction to the Mav's defense or maybe it's a reaction to not getting the ball in ideal situations.

I just can't see the Heat winning both of the next 2 games with Dywane Wade bringing the ball up the court as the PG, standing at the top of the key, then dribbling left side and hoping something will happen with 10-15 seconds left on the clock.

They seem to run offense until about the end of the 3rd quarter onwards and Wade or Lebron decide to take over with the role players hitting bail out jump shots and threes.

I thought a good example of this was in game 4 with exactly 3 minutes remaining when Wade decided to hold the ball till the 18 second mark, then dribble left, and jack up a contested 3 with 14 seconds left- completely ignoring set plays.

I think Lebron guarding Terry has a lot to do with it as well.
He's had to chase him around through the pick and roll and multiple screens for 20 minutes a game which is completely different to chasing Derrick Rose for 5 mins in the 4th quarter.
This combined with his previous series vs us and the Bulls (although quite short) are starting to catch up with him.
The Mav's Zone has helped out Dirk immensely and kept him fresher considering his flu.
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I guess the question is, is Wade to be blamed for Lebron's lack of aggressiveness, is that on Lebron's shoulders, or do the Mavs simply get a lot of credit for their defense?
I think you have to credit the Mavs. LeBron hasn't done very well by his standards in all seven total games against them this season.



I think the Heat's eyes go wide open when looking at the G that would be defending Wade. 



Honestly, I don't know why they don't pick and roll Lebron and Bosh more in the 4th quarter.  Either Dallas switches (putting Dirk on Lebron) or Lebron gets a lane to attack. 
The problem with using Bosh that way is that they're just leaving Haslem/Anthony open to help on those P&Rs.

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I guess the question is, is Wade to be blamed for Lebron's lack of aggressiveness, is that on Lebron's shoulders, or do the Mavs simply get a lot of credit for their defense?
I think you have to credit the Mavs. LeBron hasn't done very well by his standards in all seven total games against them this season.



I think the Heat's eyes go wide open when looking at the G that would be defending Wade. 



Honestly, I don't know why they don't pick and roll Lebron and Bosh more in the 4th quarter.  Either Dallas switches (putting Dirk on Lebron) or Lebron gets a lane to attack. 
The problem with using Bosh that way is that they're just leaving Haslem/Anthony open to help on those P&Rs.


Haslem used to be able to hit those shots.  Can he now? 

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I talked to LeBron before the game and asked him for a dollar. He gave me 75 cents. I asked him where the rest was and he told me, "I don't have a 4th quarter."

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I guess the question is, is Wade to be blamed for Lebron's lack of aggressiveness, is that on Lebron's shoulders, or do the Mavs simply get a lot of credit for their defense?
I think you have to credit the Mavs. LeBron hasn't done very well by his standards in all seven total games against them this season.



I think the Heat's eyes go wide open when looking at the G that would be defending Wade. 



Honestly, I don't know why they don't pick and roll Lebron and Bosh more in the 4th quarter.  Either Dallas switches (putting Dirk on Lebron) or Lebron gets a lane to attack. 
The problem with using Bosh that way is that they're just leaving Haslem/Anthony open to help on those P&Rs.


Haslem used to be able to hit those shots.  Can he now? 
He's hit a number of jumpers this series, so I'd say yes.

But I'd prefer them to use Haslem as the screener and have Bosh cut or move to get the ball without any help being available.

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I guess the question is, is Wade to be blamed for Lebron's lack of aggressiveness, is that on Lebron's shoulders, or do the Mavs simply get a lot of credit for their defense?
I think you have to credit the Mavs. LeBron hasn't done very well by his standards in all seven total games against them this season.



I think the Heat's eyes go wide open when looking at the G that would be defending Wade. 



Honestly, I don't know why they don't pick and roll Lebron and Bosh more in the 4th quarter.  Either Dallas switches (putting Dirk on Lebron) or Lebron gets a lane to attack. 
The problem with using Bosh that way is that they're just leaving Haslem/Anthony open to help on those P&Rs.


Haslem used to be able to hit those shots.  Can he now? 
He's hit a number of jumpers this series, so I'd say yes.

But I'd prefer them to use Haslem as the screener and have Bosh cut or move to get the ball without any help being available.


I would use whoever Dirk is defending. 

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I agree with this topic 100%
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