Doc Rivers: If we kept Perk we would have been a No. 1 seed

[dlpin]

The celtics were 4-3 with Perkins as a starter, with 5 of those games at home. After the trade, the winning percentage was exactly the same at 16-12.

Also, people keep forgetting that Perkins did NOT play the first half of the season. So we were the number 1 seed in february despite having to work Shaq, JO, West, Erden, and Von Wafer in.

Finally, chemistry is great and all but it is not magic. Perkins didn't practice or travel with the team most of the time we were in 1st. Does he have magical powers to influence team chemistry form hundreds of miles away?

[csfansince60s]

Finally, chemistry is great and all but it is not magic. Perkins didn't practice or travel with the team most of the time we were in 1st. Does he have magical powers to influence team chemistry form hundreds of miles away?

+1....Maybe we should have traded him to the Washington...wizards have magical powers, don't they?

[MBunge]

There's really no need to argue over the effect of the Perk trade.  It clearly did screw up team chemistry, but the responsibility for that has to go on Danny, Doc and the players equally.  Doc's comments, which you know have to reflect the feelings of the team's veterans, show that they really stewed over losing Perk.  From the start, this has been a very stubborn group who only want to do things a certain way and they obviously chafed at the trade forcing them to change.  I'll bring up the same point I have before, how many times did this team ever run a pick-n-pop play involving Krstic?  Especially as the season wound down, it was amazing to me how Doc and the rest of the team were straight up refusing to allow Krstic to do anything except what Perk would have done on offense, despite Krstic having much better offensive skills.

Mike

[KGs Knee]

I Sometimes wonder if it's the influence  of fantasy sports, though I've never done them.  Everyone seems to want to reduce everything in sports to stats, and to additive thinking.  Gee, if I take this guy's stats and add them to that guy's stats, WHAT A TEAM!

But a team is a collection of PEOPLE.

AMEN!

Stats, stats, stats!  ARRRGH!

[NoraG1]

There's really no need to argue over the effect of the Perk trade.  It clearly did screw up team chemistry, but the responsibility for that has to go on Danny, Doc and the players equally.  Doc's comments, which you know have to reflect the feelings of the team's veterans, show that they really stewed over losing Perk.  From the start, this has been a very stubborn group who only want to do things a certain way and they obviously chafed at the trade forcing them to change.  I'll bring up the same point I have before, how many times did this team ever run a pick-n-pop play involving Krstic?  Especially as the season wound down, it was amazing to me how Doc and the rest of the team were straight up refusing to allow Krstic to do anything except what Perk would have done on offense, despite Krstic having much better offensive skills.

Mike

This is why I give Ainge the brunt of the blame, knowing all these things he still did it.

[NoraG1]

The celtics were 4-3 with Perkins as a starter, with 5 of those games at home. After the trade, the winning percentage was exactly the same at 16-12.

Also, people keep forgetting that Perkins did NOT play the first half of the season. So we were the number 1 seed in february despite having to work Shaq, JO, West, Erden, and Von Wafer in.

Finally, chemistry is great and all but it is not magic. Perkins didn't practice or travel with the team most of the time we were in 1st. Does he have magical powers to influence team chemistry form hundreds of miles away?

Regular season stats are nice but he would have come in handy in the playoffs that is for sure

[Moranis]

No 1 seed, just like last year when we had Perkins, huh, Doc??


Oh wait a minute, we weren't the #1 seed in 2010 WITH perkins, huh?

What were we?....4th??

The difference is, this year we actually were the #1 seed in late February.

we had also extended our lead on the #1 seed by the end of the first week of March, two weeks after the trade. 

[Finkelskyhook]

Earth to Rivers....

You have two pretty good players you acquired in that trade that by virtue of your idiotic words....You're trashing. 

Rivers with his mouth is starting to show the same dumb  judgement with the press he did pre-Garnett/Allen.

[OsirusCeltics]

The Celtics integrate new players just about every year at the trading deadline, including our championship year.  

Not really true.. our starting five in the championship year was intact from start of season to end. Sam Cassell and PJ Brown were almost 'end of bench players' though with a greater impact.

  Gabe Pruitt was an end of the bench player. Brown and Cassell were a big part of the bench rotation for the playoffs.

TP
Exactly

[OsirusCeltics]

I Sometimes wonder if it's the influence  of fantasy sports, though I've never done them.  Everyone seems to want to reduce everything in sports to stats, and to additive thinking.  Gee, if I take this guy's stats and add them to that guy's stats, WHAT A TEAM!

But a team is a collection of PEOPLE.

AMEN!

Stats, stats, stats!  ARRRGH!

I'm not a stats guy either. Hate when fans judge the effectiveness as a player through the Stats

But with that said, I watch what is on the court and study from there. Perk wasn't really doing anything special that Kwame Brown or Drew Gooden wasn't doing. A good glue guy, but thats it. Never had that defensive impact of a Mutombo that many fans think he does

And if you go back to the 2008 Finals, he hardly even played to make a difference in the series. He's just a great lockeroom guy with a scowl

[pearljammer10]

The Celtics integrate new players just about every year at the trading deadline, including our championship year.  

Not 7 new faces to a 12 man roster like we did this season.

[BballTim]

The Celtics integrate new players just about every year at the trading deadline, including our championship year.  

Not 7 new faces to a 12 man roster like we did this season.

  Five of those new faces combined for 3 minutes of play in the postseason, and only one of them was a regular part of the rotation.

[OsirusCeltics]

Chemistry isn't magic
Miami has Lebron and Wade who are a spitting image in terms of styles. They play the same way and don't compliment each other

But with all of that, they were the #2 seed now in the EFC

[dlpin]

The celtics were 4-3 with Perkins as a starter, with 5 of those games at home. After the trade, the winning percentage was exactly the same at 16-12.

Also, people keep forgetting that Perkins did NOT play the first half of the season. So we were the number 1 seed in february despite having to work Shaq, JO, West, Erden, and Von Wafer in.

Finally, chemistry is great and all but it is not magic. Perkins didn't practice or travel with the team most of the time we were in 1st. Does he have magical powers to influence team chemistry form hundreds of miles away?

Regular season stats are nice but he would have come in handy in the playoffs that is for sure

Except I didn't mention any stats (other than record).

Again, the whole "chemistry" argument ignores that Perkins wasn't training or traveling with the team for most of the season. Is the "chemistry" he brings so great that it helps even when he is hundred of miles away?

[BballTim]

The celtics were 4-3 with Perkins as a starter, with 5 of those games at home. After the trade, the winning percentage was exactly the same at 16-12.

Also, people keep forgetting that Perkins did NOT play the first half of the season. So we were the number 1 seed in february despite having to work Shaq, JO, West, Erden, and Von Wafer in.

Finally, chemistry is great and all but it is not magic. Perkins didn't practice or travel with the team most of the time we were in 1st. Does he have magical powers to influence team chemistry form hundreds of miles away?

Regular season stats are nice but he would have come in handy in the playoffs that is for sure

Except I didn't mention any stats (other than record).

Again, the whole "chemistry" argument ignores that Perkins wasn't training or traveling with the team for most of the season. Is the "chemistry" he brings so great that it helps even when he is hundred of miles away?

  The biggest thing that the "chemistry" argument ignores is that the team really needed Perk to have chemistry.

  Unless, of course, they had a somewhat healthy Shaq. Then they didn't need Perk. Two guys, both play the same spot. They are fairly opposite players in skill sets and contributions. But either one of them would have fixed our "chemistry".

  So, I'm going with "not enough healthy and contributing centers", which Perk may or may not have fixed for us.