The Celtics MUST Call Out the Refs and the League

[Chelm]

Poor officiating is one thing.  Conspiracy theories about games being rigged by the league is another.  Do you realize how significant Stern's punishment would be if it were found out he actually rigged games?  Do you think he would ACTUALLY risk this?

The league as a whole is not going to purposefully mandate the outcome of games.

On topic, after PP's first foul, I think he should've played a little more carefully.  Even though I think the second T was completely bogus, he needs to be a little more careful.

I think the Heat won this game fairly.  We all knew Lebron/Wade were capable of having individually powerful performances.  The good news is that we can play better, and they can play worse, and this series is far from over.

[bmxgitch]

  Go to the NBA's web site. Scroll all the way down and click on contact us. Then go to the 4th headline - contact the NBA/WNBA ect. Here you put in your name and e-mail info. There is a place where you click on "select one" do that and then finally click on "officiating in the NBA" Now it is time to voice your opinion about the SAD and down right BAD state of NBA officiating. I always add "please don't send me back a form letter because it just shows you don't care" ! Lets flood the NBA with e-mails about how bad the refs are especially Ed Malloy and Joe Crawford !

[CelticG1]

Poor officiating is one thing.  Conspiracy theories about games being rigged by the league is another.  Do you realize how significant Stern's punishment would be if it were found out he actually rigged games?  Do you think he would ACTUALLY risk this?

The league as a whole is not going to purposefully mandate the outcome of games.

On topic, after PP's first foul, I think he should've played a little more carefully.  Even though I think the second T was completely bogus, he needs to be a little more careful.

I think the Heat won this game fairly.  We all knew Lebron/Wade were capable of having individually powerful performances.  The good news is that we can play better, and they can play worse, and this series is far from over.

I just absolutely despise how if you get a technical you would have to tip toe around with things like this so much because you can get kicked out of a game. Especially after Wade just leveled him. So if anyone gets a T during a game people can talk trash to them, elbow you, tackle you, pretty much anything but since you already have a T you just have to sit there and not react to anything. Doesn't this just seem a bit unrealistic??

It really does not make any sense. Technicals can be such minor infractions sometimes that it is ridiculous that you can get kicked out of a game because of "verbal taunting" AKA talking trash.

[Chelm]

Poor officiating is one thing.  Conspiracy theories about games being rigged by the league is another.  Do you realize how significant Stern's punishment would be if it were found out he actually rigged games?  Do you think he would ACTUALLY risk this?

The league as a whole is not going to purposefully mandate the outcome of games.

On topic, after PP's first foul, I think he should've played a little more carefully.  Even though I think the second T was completely bogus, he needs to be a little more careful.

I think the Heat won this game fairly.  We all knew Lebron/Wade were capable of having individually powerful performances.  The good news is that we can play better, and they can play worse, and this series is far from over.

I just absolutely despise how if you get a technical you would have to tip toe around with things like this so much because you can get kicked out of a game. Especially after Wade just leveled him. So if anyone gets a T during a game people can talk trash to them, elbow you, tackle you, pretty much anything but since you already have a T you just have to sit there and not react to anything. Doesn't this just seem a bit unrealistic??

It really does not make any sense. Technicals can be such minor infractions sometimes that it is ridiculous that you can get kicked out of a game because of "verbal taunting" AKA talking trash.

If you have a technical foul or a number of personal fouls then yes, you do change your game to ensure you don't head to the locker room early.  This is not new news.

[Chris]

I just absolutely despise how if you get a technical you would have to tip toe around with things like this so much because you can get kicked out of a game. Especially after Wade just leveled him. So if anyone gets a T during a game people can talk trash to them, elbow you, tackle you, pretty much anything but since you already have a T you just have to sit there and not react to anything. Doesn't this just seem a bit unrealistic??

It really does not make any sense. Technicals can be such minor infractions sometimes that it is ridiculous that you can get kicked out of a game because of "verbal taunting" AKA talking trash.

I agree with this.  And I have a feeling Ed Malloy has gotten a call from the league about being more aware, and not making calls like that last night.  I also got the impression that Dan Crawford was embarrassed by the call as well, and that it happened on his watch.

The problem is of course, by the rule of the law, it was a technical, so there is no way they could overturn it once Malloy had made the call.  However, I would be very surprised if we see anyone else thrown out of a game for the rest of the playoffs on a very borderline call like that.  Generally the refs are very good about knowing when a player already has one, and they swallow their whistle at that point.

This is actually something that a lot of the older guys like Bavetta, Dan Crawford, Joe Crawford, and even Benny Salvatore are really good at.  They might be quick to call a technical to show who is in charge, however, they are also incredibly aware when a guy already has one, and if they see things escalating, they will jump in there and tell the guy to cut it out, rather than throwing them from the game.

And here in lies the rub.  The fact that these guys do things like that can also be frustrating.  This is the same reason why you will never see Lebron James thrown out of a game.  They have more on their minds than just the rules.  They know they need to make judgement calls, and they don't want to throw someone out for a minor infraction.  

Malloy on the other hand was following the rules.  He saw an altercation breaking out, so he handed out techs.  That is what the rules say they are supposed to do.  However, we want them to have the common sense there not to make that call.  We just have to understand, they are also going to not make that call against the other team.

[TBreezy]

The celtics muct play better period.  It was a horrible effort all the way around.  Lets not make this aboutthe refs, when we couldn't run our offense and hit open jumpers when they were there.

[CelticG1]

Poor officiating is one thing.  Conspiracy theories about games being rigged by the league is another.  Do you realize how significant Stern's punishment would be if it were found out he actually rigged games?  Do you think he would ACTUALLY risk this?

The league as a whole is not going to purposefully mandate the outcome of games.

On topic, after PP's first foul, I think he should've played a little more carefully.  Even though I think the second T was completely bogus, he needs to be a little more careful.

I think the Heat won this game fairly.  We all knew Lebron/Wade were capable of having individually powerful performances.  The good news is that we can play better, and they can play worse, and this series is far from over.

I just absolutely despise how if you get a technical you would have to tip toe around with things like this so much because you can get kicked out of a game. Especially after Wade just leveled him. So if anyone gets a T during a game people can talk trash to them, elbow you, tackle you, pretty much anything but since you already have a T you just have to sit there and not react to anything. Doesn't this just seem a bit unrealistic??

It really does not make any sense. Technicals can be such minor infractions sometimes that it is ridiculous that you can get kicked out of a game because of "verbal taunting" AKA talking trash.

If you have a technical foul or a number of personal fouls then yes, you do change your game to ensure you don't head to the locker room early.  This is not new news.

I think it is ridiculous that you can't show any emotion at all if you have a T. With all the tech's and double tech's they call these days over nothing I just think they continue to take the emotion out of the game.

It's ridiculous that you can get get a technical and essentially get thrown out of an NBA game for yelling "and 1" after making a basket.

Maybe thats just me

[Moranis]

Miami won because it was the more aggressive team.  I mean if you look at the stats they are almost identical, except Miami had significantly more foul shots (but the actual fouls were pretty close).  When you are constantly driving to the hole and the other team is not, you are going to win more times then not.

[Fafnir]

Miami won because it was the more aggressive team.  I mean if you look at the stats they are almost identical, except Miami had significantly more foul shots (but the actual fouls were pretty close).  When you are constantly driving to the hole and the other team is not, you are going to win more times then not.

Miami has has two better penetrators than Boston does, they're going to take more free throws in this series. The C's need to win the game in other areas.

[CelticG1]

Miami won because it was the more aggressive team.  I mean if you look at the stats they are almost identical, except Miami had significantly more foul shots (but the actual fouls were pretty close).  When you are constantly driving to the hole and the other team is not, you are going to win more times then not.

I don't know if this is entirely true. They were both equal with points in the paint at 26. Are you just going with the eye test? I thought the Celts were going to the hole a lot actually in particular both Rondo and Pierce but they weren't getting any calls.

[greenpride32]

Poor officiating is one thing.  Conspiracy theories about games being rigged by the league is another.  Do you realize how significant Stern's punishment would be if it were found out he actually rigged games?  Do you think he would ACTUALLY risk this?

The league as a whole is not going to purposefully mandate the outcome of games.

What you don't understand is the league is a private business that's interested in maximizing profits.  Who do you think Stern answers to?  There is no law that prohibits the WWE to predetermine the outcome of matches.  There is no oversight committee that exists to enforce fair and equal play like the Olympics.  That's why you don't have drug testing and I'm sure at least half the league is on PED's.   

Also millions of dollars are illegally gambled on sports games every day.  It's really no different than illegal drug trafficing or prostitution, etc.  Somebody is making large profits from it.  It would be naive to think spheres of influence do not exist.  Corruption exists everywhere; sports politics, corporations, Wall St. etc. 

Having said all that; I have called out the refs in some games.  But in game 1 I saw nothing wrong until the 2nd Pierce T.   The game was more or less decided by that point anwyways.  Bottom line is we got beat pretty badly.

[Moranis]

Miami won because it was the more aggressive team.  I mean if you look at the stats they are almost identical, except Miami had significantly more foul shots (but the actual fouls were pretty close).  When you are constantly driving to the hole and the other team is not, you are going to win more times then not.

I don't know if this is entirely true. They were both equal with points in the paint at 26. Are you just going with the eye test? I thought the Celts were going to the hole a lot actually in particular both Rondo and Pierce but they weren't getting any calls.

foul shots don't count as points in the paint.  So unless it is an and 1, they don't show up.

[kozlodoev]

Sure they should. And the effect will be about the same as the fans calling out Rondo for missing half of his free throws.

[CelticG1]

Miami won because it was the more aggressive team.  I mean if you look at the stats they are almost identical, except Miami had significantly more foul shots (but the actual fouls were pretty close).  When you are constantly driving to the hole and the other team is not, you are going to win more times then not.

I don't know if this is entirely true. They were both equal with points in the paint at 26. Are you just going with the eye test? I thought the Celts were going to the hole a lot actually in particular both Rondo and Pierce but they weren't getting any calls.

foul shots don't count as points in the paint.  So unless it is an and 1, they don't show up.

So you are basing it on the eye test?

Or because they had more free throws that automatically means that they attacked the hoop more?

[Chris]

Miami won because it was the more aggressive team.  I mean if you look at the stats they are almost identical, except Miami had significantly more foul shots (but the actual fouls were pretty close).  When you are constantly driving to the hole and the other team is not, you are going to win more times then not.

I don't know if this is entirely true. They were both equal with points in the paint at 26. Are you just going with the eye test? I thought the Celts were going to the hole a lot actually in particular both Rondo and Pierce but they weren't getting any calls.

foul shots don't count as points in the paint.  So unless it is an and 1, they don't show up.

So you are basing it on the eye test?

Or because they had more free throws that automatically means that they attacked the hoop more?

I'll base it on the eye test.  The Heat were absolutely more aggressive going to the hoop, particularly in the first half.  And more importantly, the C's were more consistently late on their backside help, which always leads to foul shots.