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Re: Rebounding Theory
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2011, 10:31:56 AM »

Offline Jon

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My biggest problem with the Celtics' rebounding last game wasn't the number of rebounds they got, but rather the number of times they slapped the ball with one hand, rather than trying to catch it with two.  

I would've been fine with a rebounding deficit (knowing that it's partly due to us dropping back into early transition defense) had they actually corralled the rebounds that they should've gotten in the first place.  

Re: Rebounding Theory
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2011, 10:40:23 AM »

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Another thing I'd like to mention is that our low rebounding numbers are actually by design.  Our total rebound numbers are as low as they are because the celtics have been instructed to not attack the offensive glass and instead to get back to prevent transition offense.  That is why the celtics are dead last in the NBA in offensive rebounding % (edit: fixed) but also are second in the NBA in fast break points allowed per game at only 10.9.  So the celtics coaching staff has decided:  total rebound per game numbers are not as important as fast break points allowed per game and we are going to sacrifice rebounds for transition defense.

Has it been mentioned yet that the celtics outscored the knicks 16-4 in fast break points last game and have outscored the knicks 26-6 for the series?  I believe that is corrolated to one more important stat:  2-0.  When the knicks hold a +20 differential in second chance points for the series (we actually outscored them here in game 1 - what rebounding woes!), then I'll start to think it's a problem.  But like I said, I'm very confident that it's by design - and if we're winning then it's working.
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Re: Rebounding Theory
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2011, 10:57:29 AM »

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Its not really a theory... Its a fact of what happens. Doc preaches defense heavily. He tells his players to get back on defense so they can set it  up. Plus its hard to get rebounds when youre he number one shooting team in the league. Im not too worried about rebounds.

Re: Rebounding Theory
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2011, 01:09:58 PM »

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Maybe Game 2 was just a fluke?

We don't allow 20 opposing offensive rebounds every game.

And why is it that we can win the fastbreak points when we keep giving up offensive boards?

To run the break effectively we need to rebound the misses and make good outlet passes.

Re: Rebounding Theory
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2011, 01:34:20 PM »

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Maybe Game 2 was just a fluke?

We don't allow 20 opposing offensive rebounds every game.

And why is it that we can win the fastbreak points when we keep giving up offensive boards?

To run the break effectively we need to rebound the misses and make good outlet passes.


Steals is one way.  Also, offensive boards don't necessarily equate to baskets.  They can turn into more defensive rebound opportunities.
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Re: Rebounding Theory
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2011, 01:45:38 PM »

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Watching the Thunder last night, I saw a ton of times where Ibaka, Durant and either Collison or Perk were on the floor where Denver would take a shot and before it even hit the rim everybody would run back on defense.  I have noticed this in several other games too, not just this one, but it is was especially prevelant last night.

My theory is that against certain teams the opposing team knows their chances of getting an offensive rebound so they don't really try that hard to get one and risk being out of position in transition. 

When teams are playing the celtics they smell blood in the water and know if they send 2 guys to the boards they probably have at least a 20% chance of getting an O-reb.  I think that what the Perkins trade may have really done is take that fear out of the celtics opponents because Perk was also good at getting the ball to Rondo quickly so he could punish teams in transition.  Thoughts?

The Perkins trade had nothing to do with being outrebounded by the Knicks. First, as mentioned, the rebounding numbers are very similar pre and post Perkins.


Second, and most important, the reason the celtics were outrebounded was not due to the center position, as Turiaf and his 3 rebounds were largely irrelevant. The main issue is that the Knicks went small and crashed the boards while shooting poorly. Lots of opportunities + our big men on the bench or chasing wing players on the perimeter. Perkins would not even be out there on game 2, as I doubt Doc would have him guarding Walker or Jeffries.

Re: Rebounding Theory
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2011, 07:14:31 PM »

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Doc played 9 guys in Game 4.

All 9 guys that played had 5 rebounds or more against the Knicks.

That's what you call team rebounding.

Re: Rebounding Theory
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2011, 07:35:56 PM »

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Doc played 9 guys in Game 4.

All 9 guys that played had 5 rebounds or more against the Knicks.

That's what you call team rebounding.
agreed also quietly a very nice job rebounding in the series by ray allen, rondo's rebounding is amazing
the perk comments are comical, did he average 9 rebounds a game? 8?