Perk vs Green game to game stats

[bbd24]

How did Perkins play great D ?  NENE dominated him.  Perkins can hardly get up and down the floor, let alone stay out there for 30 mins per game.

Your paying 8/9 M per year for that ?

Kids, don't do drugs.

[IanMello]

Perkins isn't healthy right now and it's blatantly obvious if you watch him move. For that reason and the fact that they didn't want to overpay for him long-term, they moved him when his value was high and while Green's/Clippers pick was low.

[bbd24]

Perkins is not playing at 100% and his value is never in his stats.

Jeff Green is playing in a very limited role both in terms of minutes and touches.

For these playoffs, I feel reasonably confident that Jermaine, Shaq and Krstic can hold down the fort at Center.

Jeff Green can provide solid defense and scoring off the bench.

If you look at the trade, and fans hate this, it had A LOT to do with the future of the franchise. Ainge didn't like Rondo-Perkins long-term at a 40% share of the cap. I didn't either.

You also get trial period with Green with the possibility to resign for short (qualifiying offer) or small money (MLE type money, which was not even a remote possibility with Perkins.

Then you dump Robinson's dollars and add a potentially valuable first rounder.

Ainge made a gamble that J.O., Shaq and Krstic (and Jeff Green) could replace Perkins impact short term (largely because Perkins is not 100%) while strengthening the team long-term.

Regardless of how it turns out in these playoffs, I can live with the move.

Solid post.  I agree.

You straight dove hard, got the ball, and knocked Billups straight in the mouth in the process.  Nice post.  Tommy Point.

[Roy H.]

Kids, don't do drugs.

Second time:  the mocking of opposing viewpoints with comments like this, "Queen Perk", etc., is not helpful.  If you can't debate without being caustic or without baiting / trolling, it's time for you to move on.

[ballin]

The only time I get mad here is when some people make it sound as if Perk stinks it up on the floor. Perk is a good player. He's not a great player but he's the kind of guy you need to have on a winning team. You can't make a team out of All Stars and it work out.

I'm done with the trade talk. I hope that Green and the new guys work things out here and help us win. I've got nothing against any of them.

I also hope that Perk finds a good home in OKC. He's on a team with some great players and he should fit in well in time. I kind of like that team so it's easy for me to pull for him. And hey, they could be the ones to kill LA.

I'd like to fly into Boston the first time he's back there playing so I could cheer for him during the intros.

I don't quite understand the need to tear down Perk, but I guess some find it necessary to justify their own beliefs.

TP.

That's exactly what I've been thinking; plenty of the trade discussion on this forum seems like it's been ripped out of a page of a Psychology 101 textbook.

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/10/19/fighting-cognitive-dissonance-the-lies-we-tell-ourselves/


On the other hand, some of my fellow pro-traders are definitely guilty of the fundamental attribution error (in the sense that while I agree the trade hurt us, too many people have been attributing the terrible play lately entirely to the loss of Perkins, while his loss is only partially responsible in my opinion).

[scoop1977]

Perkins is moving pretty well. He won't be 100% without a training camp, but seems very close to it.

I confess I never heard or read that POV coming from someone other than Celtics fans. Have you?
 

Perkins isn't healthy right now and it's blatantly obvious if you watch him move.

[ballin]

Perkins is moving pretty well. He won't be 100% without a training camp, but seems very close to it.

I confess I never heard or read that POV coming from someone other than Celtics fans. Have you?
 

Perkins isn't healthy right now and it's blatantly obvious if you watch him move.

See the Cognitive Dissonance article I just posted above, and all will be explained.

[Eja117]

Isn't this apples & oranges?

I compare apples and oranges all the time.  Do I want apple juice or orange juice.  I don't usually compare apples and meat or apples and paint.

Perk and Green are definitely apples and oranges.

[dtrader]

I would also like to see a JO versus Perkins thread up. 

I know that JO wasn't involved in a trade, but more than anything, what will determine whether or not the trade was a success, will be how the players we have to fill Perks shoes play the rest of the year. 

I think if JO (and/or Shaq) plays well, it'll say more for the decision Danny made, than how Green plays. 

[xmuscularghandix]

J.O. versus Perk makes more sense... not the stats of a backup small forward. 

[IanMello]

Perkins is moving pretty well. He won't be 100% without a training camp, but seems very close to it.

I confess I never heard or read that POV coming from someone other than Celtics fans. Have you?

Perkins isn't healthy right now and it's blatantly obvious if you watch him move.

I've seen OKC fans on the RealGM forum talking about Perkins not being fully healthy. Looking at the history of similar knee injuries to basketball players in the past, it's quite apparent that players generally don't return to 100% physically until about a year and half after surgery.

Perkins was never a great fluid athlete but he's absolutely less quick laterally and less explosive vertically thus far in his return. Next year, if he doesn't have any setbacks, he'll be much much closer to being 100%. That's common knowledge not cognitive dissonance.

[LB3533]

I think we should combine the stats of all players involved and then include the draft pick's production too when he puts the numbers up in the future.

[scoop1977]

Perkins is moving pretty well. He won't be 100% without a training camp, but seems very close to it.

I confess I never heard or read that POV coming from someone other than Celtics fans. Have you?
 

Perkins isn't healthy right now and it's blatantly obvious if you watch him move.

See the Cognitive Dissonance article I just posted above, and all will be explained.

Yeps, you're probably right.

[pearljammer10]

I dont want to come across as rude or anything, but to me this type of comparison means nothing. Both players are playing completely different roles for their teams and were brought in for completely different reasons. To compare their impacts on their respective teams based on stats alone just seems irrelevant to me.

[ThaPreacher]

Kids, don't do drugs.

Second time:  the mocking of opposing viewpoints with comments like this, "Queen Perk", etc., is not helpful.  If you can't debate without being caustic or without baiting / trolling, it's time for you to move on.

Roy I can't agree more;
I think we all just have to remember one thing:  we all want the Celtics to win.

We should respect one another and save our caustic remarks for Laker and Heat fans.

Now onto the "kids don't do drugs" bit.
Scratches head.  I thought it was a positive line and anti-drug message.  Simple yes.
But direct.                    Kids don't do drugs.
Now I'm really confused.