Great come back but...the Refs gave us that game in the end...

[gpap]

I don't think we can complain much about the reffing after being gifted a foul on the Carmelo/Pierce offensive foul and the non call on Garnett's blatant moving screen.
Think about how lucky we were (even after grinding our way back into the game and being so tough)...
1) Pierce gets the garbage call
2) Garnett doesn't get the offensive foul
3) Ray hits that shot.

Very lucky sequence of events but I guess it's all about putting yourself in the position to have a mini miracle series of events like that...

It's like the refs were watching Ray to see if he'd hit it!
Tough biscuits for the Knicks though...
Watch the KG screen...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rp4N-BadKo

Hmmm....not sure if you saw the game last night, but the refs let the Knicks get away with murder the entire game!

And by the way, that was a foul on Carmelo Anthony!

Come on!

[Chris]

A win is a win is a win.  I agree that we got the breaks down the stretch, but like in every NBA game, it generally evens itself out.  They had some tough calls against the C's earlier in the game as well.

This game came down to a couple things.  The C's hit the shots they needed to, and the Knicks did not.

[paulball2007]

Honestly that was foul was no worse then the one they called on Garnett on Turiaf.  How about the no calls on Amare and the one on Carmelo when Garnett went up for a dunk in the 1st half or the one missed on Kristic in the 1st half or the one Melo should have had on Pierce in the 1st half.  Melo should have fouled out of this game.  Amare should have been in foul trouble.  I thought that the elbow on Melo wasn't that bad but could have and was called.  The C's might have gotten a few calls their way but I think the Knicks had the more favorable calls when totaling them up against each other.  Being that ours came at the end of a close game well they should call it a little tighter since not calling those calls can impact the game even more.

[hwangjini_1]

I missed the foul by melo on pierce, so is anyone able to post a video of it?

Thanks in advance.

[Tai]

Pierce was elbowed by Melo at least twice, I'd be mad if that wasn't called. Wanna elbow him once and get away with it? Fine. But at some point, Melo was just playing with fire.

The only thing working in Toney Douglas' argument that he was illegally picked is that he fell. That's it. KG set his pick without suddenly lunging to the side after setting it; that's usually what Perk was famous for and got called for. If Douglas didn't fall, no one's even bothering about that play at all.

Ultimately, I don't care for taking a topic like this seriously after some people were saying that the Celtics would have to deal with not getting calls in their home court. I'm convinced that every fanbase (EVERY fanbase) simply thinks they're being screwed or going to be somehow, and then this paranoia carries over the course of the game. If one or two of those calls went the other way, we'd have two topics by others saying the refs were jobbing us. Does that make them right?

[CDawg834]

It's also very fortunate that the C's bench didn't get T'd up at the end of the game.  I don't know how all 3 refs missed Delonte run onto the court to chest bump Ray, and he came an inch away from interfering with Turiaf on the court.  A FT would have made it a 1 point game and could have changed everything.  If I was Turiaf I would have been screaming for a whistle there.

On a related note, how does a veteran team like the Cs not realize that the Knicks have no timeouts.  They were all celebrating instead of getting back on D.  Just a crazy end to that game.

[Roy H.]

It's also very fortunate that the C's bench didn't get T'd up at the end of the game.

This.  The Carmelo call and the KG call are at least close enough to be argued.  This wasn't; Delonte was out on the court doing chest bumps.  It absolutely should have been a T.

As the OP said, we got some very fortunate calls, but hey, that's why you play for home court advantage, right?  I'm sure we'll see our share of calls that go the other way before the playoffs are over.

[Chris]

It's also very fortunate that the C's bench didn't get T'd up at the end of the game.

This.  The Carmelo call and the KG call are at least close enough to be argued.  This wasn't; Delonte was out on the court doing chest bumps.  It absolutely should have been a T.

As the OP said, we got some very fortunate calls, but hey, that's why you play for home court advantage, right?  I'm sure we'll see our share of calls that go the other way before the playoffs are over.

Eh, that happens all the time.  You see it even more with coaches.  Since West got back off the floor before the play actually made it down that end, a no-call was correct there. 

It was just a horrendously dumb sequence by the C's though.  The obvious thing is forgetting the Knicks didn't have a timeout, and celebrating, but to me, that was minor compared to them completely ignoring Doc an Frank jumping up and down screaming to give a foul. 

Yes, the calls went the C's way down the stretch, but just like I won't blame the refs if the C's lose a game, I won't give them credit if they win one.  But to me, it was very disconcerting with the amount of mistakes they had in the last few minutes that they got away with.  Bad passes, dumb passes, illegal screens, offensive rebounds, and that whole last possession.  They are not going to be that lucky if they are doing that later in the playoffs against better teams.

[CDawg834]

It's also very fortunate that the C's bench didn't get T'd up at the end of the game.

This.  The Carmelo call and the KG call are at least close enough to be argued.  This wasn't; Delonte was out on the court doing chest bumps.  It absolutely should have been a T.

As the OP said, we got some very fortunate calls, but hey, that's why you play for home court advantage, right?  I'm sure we'll see our share of calls that go the other way before the playoffs are over.

Eh, that happens all the time.  You see it even more with coaches.  Since West got back off the floor before the play actually made it down that end, a no-call was correct there. 

This wasn't a coach taking a step onto the court, Delonte was inside the 3 point line while the clock was moving.

And he didn't get off the floor before the play made it down...Turiaf practically ran into him.  Sure, the ball wasn't there yet but some of the Knicks players were.  Absolutely should have been a T.  A clever player would have purposely "tripped" over West.

[Chris]

It's also very fortunate that the C's bench didn't get T'd up at the end of the game.

This.  The Carmelo call and the KG call are at least close enough to be argued.  This wasn't; Delonte was out on the court doing chest bumps.  It absolutely should have been a T.

As the OP said, we got some very fortunate calls, but hey, that's why you play for home court advantage, right?  I'm sure we'll see our share of calls that go the other way before the playoffs are over.

Eh, that happens all the time.  You see it even more with coaches.  Since West got back off the floor before the play actually made it down that end, a no-call was correct there. 

This wasn't a coach taking a step onto the court, Delonte was inside the 3 point line while the clock was moving.

And he didn't get off the floor before the play made it down...Turiaf practically ran into him.  Sure, the ball wasn't there yet but some of the Knicks players were.  Absolutely should have been a T.  A clever player would have purposely "tripped" over West.

I am not talking about a coach stepping on the court, I am talking about coaches running out 5 or 6 steps on to the court.  Happens all the time, and never leads to a T if it doesn't effect the play, the just get yelled at by the refs to get back. 

[LB3533]

Knicks lost this game when they stopped going to Amare.

Not even KG or JO could stop Amare going to the cup.

[LarBrd33]

I think makeup calls exist.  I've watched far too much basketball to dismiss makeup calls.  A ref messes up, a coach (or player) tells the ref he messed up... and suddenly there's another bogus call.  Sometimes the team doesn't even argue it, because they acknowledge it was a makeup call.  

The problem with people who blame refs for a win or a loss is that it dismisses previously bad calls that the refs are probably making up for in those final minutes.  Basically...  I never blame a ref for a loss or thank a ref for a win.  There are bad calls throughout the entire game.  You'd have the analyze the game like the Zapruder film to figure out how the game should have actually been called.   I don't think it's "corruption"... it's just hard for the refs to see everything at full speed.  It is what it is.

For example: You could argue that there were several offensive fouls by Melo that the refs hadn't called... and they probably were hearing it from Doc all night.    I personally don't really care.  We won a game.  Yay.  Lets see if we can win 15 more.

[Junkyard Dawg]

um, the OP and anyone who thinks the C's were "gifted" anything last night should check the cover story of the NY daily news today.  For those who don't know, this is like the FoxNews of NY sports.  If NY fans were upset about the officiating, this paper would be leading the charge: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2011/04/18/2011-04-18_final_ticks_a_real_dbacle.html

But the Knicks still had the lead. The Knicks had the lead and the ball and this still could have been their night, should have been their night. But then Carmelo Anthony, who scored one basket and three points in the second half, got called for an offensive foul on Paul Pierce, swinging an arm and clearing Pierce out when they were both fighting for position, 21 seconds left.

These refs called a good game Sunday night. It was a good call.

[Brendan]

I don't think we can complain much about the reffing after being gifted a foul on the Carmelo/Pierce offensive foul

Who knows? Pierce may have been pointing it out to the refs all game, and the refs may have already warned Melo that if they saw it they'd call it. There were plenty of non-calls and bad-calls against the C's that I cannot feel bad. (Not that I would anyways.)

[Chris]

I haven't watched it beyond the replays they showed during the game last night, but I thought that was a foul on Carmelo.  The only argument against it would be that the refs were calling the game very loosely all night, and that wasn't blatant...but it was a foul, and it wasn't even a really soft one.  

My problem was more with KG's pick, which was also a blatant foul.  But, it is also something that he does all the time, and something he gets away with a lot down the stretch.  

Basically, I think the C's benefitted because Melo happened to throw that elbow right when the ref was staring at him, and no one was watching KG's legs on that play.  

Let's just remember this though, when those 50/50 calls go against the C's later in the playoff run.