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Re: 2010-11 NBA Playoffs
« Reply #2340 on: May 24, 2011, 12:55:15 AM »

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What a game by Collison, and what a shame that it was kinda wasted by the Dysfunctional Duo, Westbrook and Durant.  If those two ever learn to run an actual offense, they'll be unbeatable. 

One has to think that Nowitski has learned a lot from Carlisle about Bird, and watched a lot of Bird tapes, he plays so much like Bird, as a shooter. It's fun to see that.  But it also sucks the way he gets the calls, especially in the crunch.  In particular, Collison's steal was such an inspired play, and such a clean steal.  Man.

I wonder if any of Perkins' haters will note that he and Harden had the only favorable plus/minus ratings on the team.

Re: 2010-11 NBA Playoffs
« Reply #2341 on: May 24, 2011, 12:55:59 AM »

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I thought _____ were rubbish at the end of the game.

Late in the fourth quarter, they were more concerned about running down the clock then generating quality shot attempts which resulted in a bunch of low percentage shots + turnovers.

Then in overtime, they were so much directionless play.

No quality shots.

Their offense was train wreck. Looked like they had no clue about what they wanted to try to do.

Very poor play offensively from ______ down the stretch.

Sorry, I couldn't resist . . . seems like it'd be painfully easy to slot "Boston" or "the Celtics" into those blanks.

Especially considering the more specifics comments you made about the stars defaulting to tough jumpshots.
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Re: 2010-11 NBA Playoffs
« Reply #2342 on: May 24, 2011, 01:31:56 AM »

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Re: 2010-11 NBA Playoffs
« Reply #2343 on: May 24, 2011, 01:49:17 AM »

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Perkins didnt even play in the 4th

got benched in favor of collison lol

please i hope this puts to rest who won the trade

danny ainge is a great GM

If you say this enough maybe, just MAYBE you'll start to actually believe it  ::)

Re: 2010-11 NBA Playoffs
« Reply #2344 on: May 24, 2011, 02:05:19 AM »

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Anybody else see this ...

Darnell Mayberry, of the Oklahoman, calling for Perk's playing time to be slashed

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Scott Brooks made two declarations Sunday.

He will not change his starting lineup.

And he will not slash starting center Kendrick Perkins' minutes.
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There is no excuse, though, for continuing to stick with Perkins so much. His value has diminished against Dallas.

And how ironic. The man the Thunder shied away from at the trade deadline two seasons ago is now exposing the man it acquired at this year's deadline.

Mavs center Tyson Chandler is a nightmare matchup for Perkins. The 7-foot-1 Chandler is one of the most athletic big men in the league, and Perkins, a more plodding, traditional center, has had problems containing him.

In three games, Perkins has scored 15 points, grabbed 14 rebounds and blocked three shots in 82 minutes. Chandler scored the same number of points in Game 2 alone, and in Game 3, Chandler pulled down one more rebound than Perkins has corralled all series.

The evidence runs even deeper.

In Perkins' 82 minutes of playing time, the Thunder has been outscored by 32 points. With Perk on the bench, the Thunder has outscored the Mavs by 23. Furthermore, with Chandler on the court, Perkins' plus/minus per 36 minutes is minus-17.7, according to NBA.com's StatsCube data.

Perkins has the worst plus/minus of any Thunder player in this series.

By comparison, the Mavs have outscored the Thunder by 19 points with Chandler on the court. And Chandler has made his impact mostly against Perkins, compiling a per 36-minute plus/minus of plus-17.7 with Perkins on the court and a minus-15.8 with Perkins on the bench.
http://newsok.com/its-time-to-reduce-kendrick-perkins-minutes/article/3570478?custom_click=rss

Very good article.

Some good stuff on how moving Ibaka to the center position with Collison defending Dirk would free Ibaka up to be more of a shot blocker again. How Dirk has kept him away from that so far in this series. Plus, praise for Collison's defense on Dirk. Raising the idea of Durant playing the four in a small ball lineup. Also, mentions how Perk's limited offensive game is freeing Chandler up to play help defense.

I enjoyed the stats too ... especially the plus minus stuff.

Re: 2010-11 NBA Playoffs
« Reply #2345 on: May 24, 2011, 02:18:48 AM »

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Perkins didnt even play in the 4th

got benched in favor of collison lol

please i hope this puts to rest who won the trade

danny ainge is a great GM

If you say this enough maybe, just MAYBE you'll start to actually believe it  ::)

i beleived it when the trade happened, Perkins is damaged goods, and no way worth 9 mil per year

he wouldnt have made a big difference this year for the celtics
for sure

throw in the fact that ainge got a better player in jeff green who wont even get 9 mil per year and the clippers 1st round pick this is a steal for ainge


Re: 2010-11 NBA Playoffs
« Reply #2346 on: May 24, 2011, 02:46:32 AM »

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Perkins didnt even play in the 4th

got benched in favor of collison lol

please i hope this puts to rest who won the trade

danny ainge is a great GM

If you say this enough maybe, just MAYBE you'll start to actually believe it  ::)

i beleived it when the trade happened, Perkins is damaged goods, and no way worth 9 mil per year

he wouldnt have made a big difference this year for the celtics
for sure

throw in the fact that ainge got a better player in jeff green who wont even get 9 mil per year and the clippers 1st round pick this is a steal for ainge



Considering that overall Green and Krstic weren't exactly difference makers for us, either, you can only really think of the trade as a steal if you concede that the Celtics probably weren't going to win it all this year as constructed anyway.

I'm perfectly willing to concede that . . . I think Danny saw it, and that's a big part of why he made the trade.  He believed the only chance we had at winning it was if Shaq and JO were both healthy and productive.  In that light, the trade made perfect sense.  Unfortunately, Shaq wasn't healthy enough to contribute and as a result the Celtics couldn't take advantage of the Heat the way they did earlier in the season. 

At least the trade set us up to be better off for the future than we would have been -- not sure that I can say the same for the Thunder.
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Re: 2010-11 NBA Playoffs
« Reply #2347 on: May 24, 2011, 02:57:38 AM »

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Perkins didnt even play in the 4th

got benched in favor of collison lol

please i hope this puts to rest who won the trade

danny ainge is a great GM

If you say this enough maybe, just MAYBE you'll start to actually believe it  ::)

i beleived it when the trade happened, Perkins is damaged goods, and no way worth 9 mil per year

he wouldnt have made a big difference this year for the celtics
for sure

throw in the fact that ainge got a better player in jeff green who wont even get 9 mil per year and the clippers 1st round pick this is a steal for ainge



Considering that overall Green and Krstic weren't exactly difference makers for us, either, you can only really think of the trade as a steal if you concede that the Celtics probably weren't going to win it all this year as constructed anyway.

I'm perfectly willing to concede that . . . I think Danny saw it, and that's a big part of why he made the trade.  He believed the only chance we had at winning it was if Shaq and JO were both healthy and productive.  In that light, the trade made perfect sense.  Unfortunately, Shaq wasn't healthy enough to contribute and as a result the Celtics couldn't take advantage of the Heat the way they did earlier in the season. 

At least the trade set us up to be better off for the future than we would have been -- not sure that I can say the same for the Thunder.

danny knew perk was damaged, and wouldnt have been a help even this year, at least he got some healthy bodies and a talented wing that was needed since marquis went down and thought they would help

unfortunately rondo got hurt in game 3 and that really messed the celtics up vs miami imo

shaq not being healthy hurt also, but perkins wouldnt have made a difference this year, and considering that he got 9 mil from the thunder makes this a horrible trade for them

danny also got a clippers 1s round pick

Re: 2010-11 NBA Playoffs
« Reply #2348 on: May 24, 2011, 10:47:01 AM »

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Fun box score ...

Jason Kidd's line -- 17 points on 5-9 shooting including 3-6 from behind the arc and 4-4 from the FT line + 7 assists + 5 rebounds + 4 steals.

Shawn Marion with 4 steals and 1 block. Defensive disruptor.

Jason Terry also finished with 4 steals. Third Mavs player with that many steals. Tyson Chandler had another 2. Terry also finished with 20 points but needed 19 shot attempts + 4 FTs to get them. Five rebounds in 42 minutes for Terry.

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Ouch, Kevin Durant had 9 turnovers.

Durant finished with 29 points on 9-22 shooting and 9-10 from the FT line. A huge 15 rebounds too. The rebounds don't negate the turnovers though, just too many of them.

Serge Ibaka finished with 18 points, 10 rebounds and 5 blocks. 12 and 7 from Collison.

Perkins had no points, no rebounds and no assists in the 8 second half minutes he played. Finished with 6, 3 and 2 in 25 minutes.

Westbrook had 19, 8 and 8 but also had 6 turnovers and took 22 shots + 8 FTs (26 possessions) to get 19 points. Including his turnovers, Westbrook only scored 0.59 points per possession. Yikes!

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55 rebounds to 33 in Oklahoma's favour

54 points in the paint to 36 in Oklahoma's favour

19 fastbreak points to 6 in Oklahoma's favour

26 turnovers to 13 in Dallas' favour leading to a 26-17 edge in points of turnovers for the Mavs.



You look at all those stats in favor of the Thunder and you can't help but think/believe they should have won that game in a blowout fashion.

I believe the Thunder also had an advantage of 20 ORB to the Mavs 5....leading to 24 2nd chance point to 12 advantage.

The Thunder lost this game because of turnovers.

I believe turnovers is the #1 most important statistic in basketball.

Re: 2010-11 NBA Playoffs
« Reply #2349 on: May 24, 2011, 04:41:46 PM »

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Fun box score ...

Jason Kidd's line -- 17 points on 5-9 shooting including 3-6 from behind the arc and 4-4 from the FT line + 7 assists + 5 rebounds + 4 steals.

Shawn Marion with 4 steals and 1 block. Defensive disruptor.

Jason Terry also finished with 4 steals. Third Mavs player with that many steals. Tyson Chandler had another 2. Terry also finished with 20 points but needed 19 shot attempts + 4 FTs to get them. Five rebounds in 42 minutes for Terry.

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Ouch, Kevin Durant had 9 turnovers.

Durant finished with 29 points on 9-22 shooting and 9-10 from the FT line. A huge 15 rebounds too. The rebounds don't negate the turnovers though, just too many of them.

Serge Ibaka finished with 18 points, 10 rebounds and 5 blocks. 12 and 7 from Collison.

Perkins had no points, no rebounds and no assists in the 8 second half minutes he played. Finished with 6, 3 and 2 in 25 minutes.

Westbrook had 19, 8 and 8 but also had 6 turnovers and took 22 shots + 8 FTs (26 possessions) to get 19 points. Including his turnovers, Westbrook only scored 0.59 points per possession. Yikes!

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55 rebounds to 33 in Oklahoma's favour

54 points in the paint to 36 in Oklahoma's favour

19 fastbreak points to 6 in Oklahoma's favour

26 turnovers to 13 in Dallas' favour leading to a 26-17 edge in points of turnovers for the Mavs.



You look at all those stats in favor of the Thunder and you can't help but think/believe they should have won that game in a blowout fashion.

I believe the Thunder also had an advantage of 20 ORB to the Mavs 5....leading to 24 2nd chance point to 12 advantage.

The Thunder lost this game because of turnovers.

I believe turnovers is the #1 most important statistic in basketball.

Yeah, Oklahoma City have to be sick to their stomachs after losing that game.

The way they lost ... ugh !! Hard to come back from such a devastating loss.

Re: 2010-11 NBA Playoffs
« Reply #2350 on: May 24, 2011, 08:12:27 PM »

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Re: 2010-11 NBA Playoffs
« Reply #2351 on: May 24, 2011, 08:33:02 PM »

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Yep ol Perk was the best player Dallas had. ::)

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Sounds like OKC got their moneys worth for sure.

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Re: 2010-11 NBA Playoffs
« Reply #2352 on: May 24, 2011, 08:40:46 PM »

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How can Rose not keep Mike Bibby in front of him?
Gosh he really is a horrible defender

Re: 2010-11 NBA Playoffs
« Reply #2353 on: May 24, 2011, 08:46:54 PM »

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Come on Miami! Close these Bulls out.

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Re: 2010-11 NBA Playoffs
« Reply #2354 on: May 24, 2011, 08:49:35 PM »

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