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Re: Danny: Shaq ready for the Playoffs
« Reply #45 on: April 12, 2011, 04:30:50 PM »

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do we really need shaq against the knicks? it seems like they have a center group of shelden williams and ronny turiaf. i feel like if shaq is in and they start running, theres no way he'll keep up. im ok with playing him 10 min a game in the series. let him get a lil bit of run just to get his confidence back and get him into some sorta game shape for miami.

No, we don't need him against the Knicks.  However, we do need him against Miami, and the Knicks series should be used as a dress rehearsal for that series.  If we want to beat the Heat, we need to be hitting on all cylinders from the beginning in round 2, and a big part of that will be getting everyone into the correct roles for the first series, so they can have a few games to really start to click.

Re: Danny: Shaq ready for the Playoffs
« Reply #46 on: April 12, 2011, 06:09:46 PM »

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  If JO plays like he did last night he brings quite a bit of what Perk brings.


mmmm, not to my thinking...I would love to believe it, but he doesn't have the beef or the snarl.


While JO is not the enforcer Perk is, if he is healthy, I think he brings as much, if not more to the table than Perk, despite that.  Yes, you are giving up some thuggery (although JO can hold his own, even if it doesn't come across as sincere), but you are getting comparable rebounding, perhaps slightly better shot blocking, a little more mobility, and a significant upgrade offensively once he gets his timing fully back.

Now, Perk is still a significantly better post defender against Howard, but other than that, I would take a healthy JO over Perkins.

That said, we are certainly rolling the dice to expect JO will remain healthy.  Right now, he looks very good.  He is still getting his timing back offensively, but the quickness and explosiveness are there...but will it remain.

but we need Shaq slamming people around when they drive into the middle (like DRose for instance), so they think twice about it in the future.

This I agree with though.  As good as JO can be, Shaq brings a different dimension to this team on both sides of the floor.  He brings some of what Perk brought in the defensive post, and brings what this team has been missing the last few years offensively.  If we don't have Shaq, I just don't think JO (and maybe not even Perk) would be enough to get us past some of the very impressive teams out there this year.

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we also need someone to set big screens up top. Baby does a decent job on the screen front but again much better off the bench...

This has replaced Rondo's big hands as the overdone excuse du jour.  Sure, screens are important...but so are guys coming off them crisply.  While there might be a little bit to this, I think it is much more people reaching for answers.  In reality, I think the guys they have do a perfectly good job setting screens.  KG is still one of the best in the business, as is Davis, and Krstic is better than he is given credit for.  To me, the difference is, Ray is coming off them more than a step slower than he was earlier in the season, and that is allowing the defenders to avoid the screen a lot easier.  

So, Shaq may help on this a little bit, but I think it will be marginal at best.  The screens are going to look better when the guys using them start focusing, and turning up their intensity all game.

I don't know, Chris. I think there is a logic to everything you and Bball are saying here. I just don't necessarily see it happening out there.

The thing that seems to have made Danny okay with trading Perk was how they played with Shaq. That much I basically agree with. I'd prefer Perk but the team did perform well.

and when you break down what it was that both Shaq and Perk were contributing I think JO doesn't match it. Like BBall said, you have to win differently with JO. Maybe that's possible but I just don't think we have enough time to figure out what exactly that looks like. We can't be experimenting in the playoffs...not with the starting unit.

Shaq can fill just about everything Perk did (although Perk is probably a better one on one defender with someone like DH). So, for my thinking, we need the Big Shamrock.

You think the "screens" observation is overdone, but I think the "over-the-hill" and "Rondo's lost it" observations are the overdone criticisms...and getting Shaq in there could best dispel those ideas.

Re: Danny: Shaq ready for the Playoffs
« Reply #47 on: April 12, 2011, 06:41:21 PM »

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Now, Perk is still a significantly better post defender against Howard, but other than that, I would take a healthy JO over Perkins.



Very good post, Chris. I just don't think Perk is significantly better than JO at defending Dwight. Dwight didn't play well against Jermaine last year and I think that was one of the main things Danny was looking at when signing JO, besides the fact that Perkins was no guarantee to even be in game shape for the end of the season.

Re: Danny: Shaq ready for the Playoffs
« Reply #48 on: April 12, 2011, 06:48:42 PM »

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do we really need shaq against the knicks? it seems like they have a center group of shelden williams and ronny turiaf. i feel like if shaq is in and they start running, theres no way he'll keep up. im ok with playing him 10 min a game in the series. let him get a lil bit of run just to get his confidence back and get him into some sorta game shape for miami.

No, we don't need him against the Knicks.  However, we do need him against Miami, and the Knicks series should be used as a dress rehearsal for that series.  If we want to beat the Heat, we need to be hitting on all cylinders from the beginning in round 2, and a big part of that will be getting everyone into the correct roles for the first series, so they can have a few games to really start to click.
Exactly we can't just play the hold Shaq out and opt for rest card saving him for the second round he has got to play and get into game shape and rhythm. We can't expect to hold him out then throw him out there in the second round after having what would be months and months off by then, it won't work that way.

We have got to be clicking with some momentum by the time we face Miami bad enough we don't have homecourt. So yes we do need Shaq against the Knicks be it limited minutes as he eases back.
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Re: Danny: Shaq ready for the Playoffs
« Reply #49 on: April 12, 2011, 08:45:58 PM »

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I do feel significantly better after watching JO put up a double double with 5 blocks in 35+ minutes last night.  His shooting wasn't great, but if he can do that on the second night of a back to back, we can survive with Shaq only playing 15-20 mpg. 


Re: Danny: Shaq ready for the Playoffs
« Reply #50 on: April 12, 2011, 09:53:33 PM »

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I do feel significantly better after watching JO put up a double double with 5 blocks in 35+ minutes last night.  His shooting wasn't great, but if he can do that on the second night of a back to back, we can survive with Shaq only playing 15-20 mpg. 


that was a good performance for JO, I am surprised he went 37 minutes.  If he can give 20 quality minutes i'd be satisfied with that in the playoffs.

Re: Danny: Shaq ready for the Playoffs
« Reply #51 on: April 12, 2011, 09:58:17 PM »

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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/212991/Ainge_Shaq_Will_Be_Ready_For_Playoffs

According to Boston Celtics president Danny Ainge, Shaquille O'Neal is expected to practice Thursday and be ready for Game 1 of the Celtics' first-round series on either Saturday or Sunday.

"I have every confidence that he will be ready and play in the playoffs," said Ainge.




OMG! Shaq's career is over!

Re: Danny: Shaq ready for the Playoffs
« Reply #52 on: April 13, 2011, 03:59:38 AM »

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We need Shaq so lets hope he stays healthy.

Re: Danny: Shaq ready for the Playoffs
« Reply #53 on: April 13, 2011, 04:05:45 AM »

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do we really need shaq against the knicks? it seems like they have a center group of shelden williams and ronny turiaf. i feel like if shaq is in and they start running, theres no way he'll keep up. im ok with playing him 10 min a game in the series. let him get a lil bit of run just to get his confidence back and get him into some sorta game shape for miami.

No, we don't need him against the Knicks.  However, we do need him against Miami, and the Knicks series should be used as a dress rehearsal for that series.  If we want to beat the Heat, we need to be hitting on all cylinders from the beginning in round 2, and a big part of that will be getting everyone into the correct roles for the first series, so they can have a few games to really start to click.
only problem I have with not playing him vs the knicks is that while he is somewhat limited, ronnie turiaf is a really physical guy. He's extremely active on the boards and uses his body alot. He wont be able to muscle KG but he will dominate Krstic.
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Re: Danny: Shaq ready for the Playoffs
« Reply #54 on: April 13, 2011, 07:20:46 AM »

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We don't need a lot of Shaq against New York as long as Nenad and Jermaine are there. Against Miami and Chicago it's a different story.

Re: Danny: Shaq ready for the Playoffs
« Reply #55 on: April 13, 2011, 09:11:32 AM »

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aahhh danny ainge blew up the team, without perk our all star we can't win
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center depth for playoffs
shaquille oneill, jermaine oneill, nenad krstic, kevin garnett and glenn davis

shaq=i dare you to guard him, even at age 52 he adds so much to a team
if he and jermaine play every other game in first round that should be all we need

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Re: Danny: Shaq ready for the Playoffs
« Reply #56 on: April 13, 2011, 09:40:49 AM »

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[\quote]only problem I have with not playing him vs the knicks is that while he is somewhat limited, ronnie turiaf is a really physical guy. He's extremely active on the boards and uses his body alot. He wont be able to muscle KG but he will dominate Krstic.
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Are you kidding me? Ronnnie Turf IS one of the toughest centres a guys can meet! Did you see last year when he got more time than in NY. This guy is fierce!
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