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As Celtics near end of era, Rivers best served to leave now!
« on: April 05, 2011, 01:46:55 PM »

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http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/shaun_powell/04/05/doc-rivers-boston-celtics-future/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Just a piece I read on NBA.com. Now first off, I have alot of time for Shaun Powell and this blog post in no different.

Although the piece discusses what Doc should do next year in the form of not renewing his contract so as to watch his son play College ball, there still is enough in here that signifies that the Celtics are dead and buried from next year on.

His major worry is the following;

If he sticks around and tries to ride it out, Rivers must cope with the sensitive tendencies of KG's tendons. He must worry about protection for KG with Kendrick Perkins gone and Shaquille O'Neal soon to follow. He must deal with the quirks of Rajon Rondo -- who can be a diva -- and wonder how a franchise with a high payroll can add better pieces quickly.

Doc is possibly the only coach that can deal with this in my opinion, so losing him will be truely horrific. I'd nearly go as far as saying if Doc coached the Heat they would stroll the Playoffs.

Further on Shaun states the following in terms of what he'll avoid if he quits;

He'll avoid a decline and the messy fallout that comes with it. He can make money and demonstrate his knowledge of the game as a TV analyst, where he's proven he's solid.

My argument here is those who can't do, talk. So making the transition to TV is idiotic. You won't see Jackson, Riley and Co on TNT sitting beside the pie that is now Charles Barkley. Their legacy speaks for itself and they don't need TV to portray what knowledge they possess.

As a coach or a player do you not constantly look for new challenges? Would this not be one that Doc would grasp full steam? ... What do you think Doc should do?
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2011, 01:48:23 PM »

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He's gone.

I just pray he doesn't go to Miami

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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2011, 01:49:03 PM »

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Doc has already done radio and TV and been great at it.

If he doesn't want to rebuild he should just leave the team once its clear they're moving in that direction, he can take a year off and have his choice of jobs probably.

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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2011, 01:49:26 PM »

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He's gone.

I just pray he doesn't go to Miami
Just like Ainge is going to get fired if we don't make the Finals?

We heard plenty of noise about this last year, I think if this group commits to having another run next year in a likely shortened season he'll give it a go.

I don't think he's likely to stay for the rebuild unless we pull a hail mary and land Dwight Howard or another top level talent to pair with Rondo and whomever else.

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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2011, 01:51:07 PM »

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He's gone.

I just pray he doesn't go to Miami
Just like Ainge is going to get fired if we don't make the Finals?

I never said Ainge is going to be fired.  I think his job is as safe as any GM in the league.  Doc can stay as long as he wants too - I just dont see him wanting to stick it out after what we did to this roster as JO and Shaq get a year older and the post gets that much worse

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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2011, 02:40:58 PM »

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I think they made a mistake in the title of this article. Wasn't it supposed to be named "What would Phil Jackson do?".

Doc is many things, but a front-runner is not one of them, and I'd be surprised to see him jump the sinking ship first. Then again, if there is a lockout, things may pan out differently.

In any case, KG is on the record saying that when Doc is gone, that's the day he "tips his hat to the Boston area".
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2011, 02:42:17 PM »

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He's gone.

I just pray he doesn't go to Miami
Just like Ainge is going to get fired if we don't make the Finals?

I never said Ainge is going to be fired.  I think his job is as safe as any GM in the league.  Doc can stay as long as he wants too - I just dont see him wanting to stick it out after what we did to this roster as JO and Shaq get a year older and the post gets that much worse
It was an example of your hyperbole, just on a different topic.

I doubt Doc knows if he is going to stay or not at this point.

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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2011, 03:25:15 PM »

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He's gone.

I just pray he doesn't go to Miami

For anybody who thinks Rivers would have a major impact coaching another team.....

If Rivers goes to Miami, he'll be no less credible than Spoelstra to Moe, Larry, and Curly.  He'll be basically an older version of Spoelstra.  

Miami already has a coach.  It ain't Spoelstra.  And it wouldn't be Rivers if he went there, either.

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He's gone.

I just pray he doesn't go to Miami

For anybody who thinks Rivers would have a major impact coaching another team.....

If Rivers goes to Miami, he'll be no less credible than Spoelstra to Moe, Larry, and Curly.  He'll be basically an older version of Spoelstra.  

Miami already has a coach.  It ain't Spoelstra.  And it wouldn't be Rivers if he went there, either.

You actually passed up an opportunity to use "Messiah" in your post. :o ;)
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I think the band gets back together for one more ride next year in a shortened season. Practically everyone's contract is tied to KG's deal. No reason to think Doc won't be different.

Last time there was a lockout the season didn't start until January. With no preseason, training camp, etc. Doc will get a six months off if we play in June - if there is a season - because this lockout is shaping to be even nastier then last time. With the nfl locked out, the nba has a free pass and stern has shown weakness with his "I know where the bodies are buried crap"

I think Doc is the coach next year if there is a season.


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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2011, 04:31:15 PM »

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I think it depends on what happens this playoffs.  If it's bad and we get knocked out before the Conference Finals, I could see him walking away.  However, if we win a title, I think Doc's hardpressed to walk away if everyone's coming back for one last hoorah.  Not only would he be abandoning a group he's close with, he'd be turning down a shot at 3 titles, something that pretty much locks up his ticket to the Hall of Fame. 

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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2011, 05:45:32 PM »

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I dont think anyone is talking about what priority Doc him self has in this discussion.

Doc has publicly said he's a family man first, basketbal coach second and i do believe that still sticks to this day. With Austin Rivers entering the draft soon'ish, i do firmly believe its Doc's intention to be there for him in the first year or 2 to give his son the best possible base to succed in the NBA.

Even if doc were to wait 3-4 years, there would still be jobs waiting for him.

What ever he chooses to do, i'll be completly allright with it. He took something that was deemed impossible and made into the NBA norm (Heat & Knicks) he's gone above and beyond for this organisation and regardless of what he does has earned my respect, so i will respect his decision.
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2011, 06:41:53 PM »

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My argument here is those who can't do, talk. So making the transition to TV is idiotic. You won't see Jackson, Riley and Co on TNT sitting beside the pie that is now Charles Barkley. Their legacy speaks for itself and they don't need TV to portray what knowledge they possess.

As a coach or a player do you not constantly look for new challenges? Would this not be one that Doc would grasp full steam? [Edited.] What do you think Doc should do?

I don't get this part, and it really makes no sense and has little substance in my opinion.

How is making the transition to tv idiotic?  Danny Ainge, John Thompson, Mike Fratello, Hubie Brown, Jeff Van Gundy, PJ Carlesimo, Doug Collins, Steve Kerr, Kevin McHale, Flip Saunders, etc., etc.

They all went from coaching to broadcasting.  And several of them went back to coaching, and then back to broadcasting again!

Even Doc Rivers did this between his Orlando and Boston gigs.
Danny Ainge actually left his Phoenix job to spend more time with his family and almost immediately went into broadcasting.

Even our own Bill Russell, Bob Cousy, and Tommy Heinsohn went to broadcasting after playing and coaching.

Broadcasting is one of the cushiest gigs you can get.

Way back in 2002, Charles Barkley signed an extension with TNT that paid him $1.5M a year (latest data I could find).  Basically he goes to work one day a week for 6 months, plus a few special occasions (like the season opener, Christmas, All-Star game, etc.) and maybe 2 or 3 days a week for 2 to 2 1/2 months during the playoffs.  Pretty much the same schedule for all those guys, and similar pay too (although I might guess Barkley is on the higher end of the pay scale).

Again, broadcasting is one of the best gigs you can get.  Get paid $1 million a year to work maybe 50-75 days a year watching sports for a few hours then talking about it.  Even if your retired, it's still nice to have a million dollar income coming in to support you.  If anything, not moving to tv is idiotic.
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2011, 07:06:39 PM »

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Doc will do what he says he does every summer:  talk with his family and decide if he's going to work the following year.  No different this time around.

He definitely has established himself as a guy that can coach a title-ready roster through the season and playoffs, which really adds to his cred and makes him extremely valuable around the league.  Teams that think they're close, or who have put the pieces together, will want him desperately, perhaps even PJ money ($10 million/year).  Not many coaches can manage egos like Doc and PJ.

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I expect this will be Doc's last season with the Celtics.  His son starts at Duke and will most likely be a one and done player. 

Then I expect Doc to take over the Heat and win multiple championships.

Why would Doc want to rebuild again?  He would much rather watch his kid play for a year and then help the Heat win and be the savor of South Beach.