troy murphy in the playoffs

[adrew35]

how many mins you think he will get a game in the playoffs.

Assuming Shaq and JO are healthy

[droponov]

Regularly, none. To use in special situations.

He'd be a lot more useful in Miami.

[EDWARDO]

If he's even remotely healthy, he will play A LOT...

Last season, Troy Murphy(notes) averaged 14.6 points and 10.2 rebounds for the Indiana Pacers, spread out over 32.6 minutes per game in 72 contests. He pulled in over 17 percent of the rebounds that were available for him to grab while on the court, a very good mark, and shot 38 percent from long range. His Player Efficiency Rating of 18 was a career high, as he worked through the entire season at age 29, usually the peak age for NBA players.
And while NBA types usually sustain that production at age 30, or slightly drop off, nobody could have predicted Troy Murphy's sudden fall from grace. Traded to the New Jersey Nets over the offseason, the double-double machine is off the team's active roster.
Why? Because of Avery Johnson. That's why.

[droponov]

If he's even remotely healthy, he will play A LOT...

Last season, Troy Murphy(notes) averaged 14.6 points and 10.2 rebounds for the Indiana Pacers, spread out over 32.6 minutes per game in 72 contests. He pulled in over 17 percent of the rebounds that were available for him to grab while on the court, a very good mark, and shot 38 percent from long range. His Player Efficiency Rating of 18 was a career high, as he worked through the entire season at age 29, usually the peak age for NBA players.
And while NBA types usually sustain that production at age 30, or slightly drop off, nobody could have predicted Troy Murphy's sudden fall from grace. Traded to the New Jersey Nets over the offseason, the double-double machine is off the team's active roster.
Why? Because of Avery Johnson. That's why.

Three factors those stats don't capture:
- the system and coach in Indiana were perfect for him;
- his rebounding is overrated because he pads it by cleaning up uncontested and below the rims rebounds in the defensive glass (see how Indiana replaced him with 2 mediocre and 1 awful rebounders in McRoberts, Hansbrough and Posey and their rebounding improved by a lot);
- he's one of the worst defenders in the entire league.

[EDWARDO]

If he's even remotely healthy, he will play A LOT...

Last season, Troy Murphy(notes) averaged 14.6 points and 10.2 rebounds for the Indiana Pacers, spread out over 32.6 minutes per game in 72 contests. He pulled in over 17 percent of the rebounds that were available for him to grab while on the court, a very good mark, and shot 38 percent from long range. His Player Efficiency Rating of 18 was a career high, as he worked through the entire season at age 29, usually the peak age for NBA players.
And while NBA types usually sustain that production at age 30, or slightly drop off, nobody could have predicted Troy Murphy's sudden fall from grace. Traded to the New Jersey Nets over the offseason, the double-double machine is off the team's active roster.
Why? Because of Avery Johnson. That's why.

Three factors those stats don't capture:
- the system and coach in Indiana were perfect for him;
- his rebounding is overrated because he pads it by cleaning up uncontested and below the rims rebounds in the defensive glass (see how Indiana replaced him with 2 mediocre and 1 awful rebounders in McRoberts, Hansbrough and Posey and their rebounding improved by a lot);
- he's one of the worst defenders in the entire league.

Those are good points. I agree that he grabbed the 17% of rebounds that were below the rim and consistently put up double doubles for 10yrs in the NBA by playing on a string of teams that had coaches that were "perfect" for him. In fact, the coaches were so "perfect" for him, he probably would have shot worse than 39% from the 3pt line and 78% from the line for the past 10yrs. In fact, in a feat of incredible coaching, he's finished in the top 5 in rebounding twice in his career!!  Of course, the coaching must have slipped up some because he was SEVENTH in the NBA IN REBOUNDING LAST YEAR!!

[RockinRyA]

If he's even remotely healthy, he will play A LOT...

Last season, Troy Murphy(notes) averaged 14.6 points and 10.2 rebounds for the Indiana Pacers, spread out over 32.6 minutes per game in 72 contests. He pulled in over 17 percent of the rebounds that were available for him to grab while on the court, a very good mark, and shot 38 percent from long range. His Player Efficiency Rating of 18 was a career high, as he worked through the entire season at age 29, usually the peak age for NBA players.
And while NBA types usually sustain that production at age 30, or slightly drop off, nobody could have predicted Troy Murphy's sudden fall from grace. Traded to the New Jersey Nets over the offseason, the double-double machine is off the team's active roster.
Why? Because of Avery Johnson. That's why.

Three factors those stats don't capture:
- the system and coach in Indiana were perfect for him;
- his rebounding is overrated because he pads it by cleaning up uncontested and below the rims rebounds in the defensive glass (see how Indiana replaced him with 2 mediocre and 1 awful rebounders in McRoberts, Hansbrough and Posey and their rebounding improved by a lot);
- he's one of the worst defenders in the entire league.

what is he supposed to do with those rebounds then, let it go? he must be so lucky that he has uncontested and below the rim rebounds all the time while those with poor rebounding stats dont.

[droponov]

7th? In rebounds per game? That's because of Indiana's frenetic pace. Amongst players with more than 500 minutes played, he was 29th league wide in rebounding rate. And part of that was the lack of other quality rebounders.

I'm not saying he's a bad rebounder. He's just a solid rebounder with stellar rebounding numbers.The impact he makes on his team is much smaller that the numbers would suggest. If you watch film of the type of rebounds he gets, you'd notice that.

Here's another stat. Last season, when he apparently was top-10 in rebounds per game, Indiana got:

- 46.6% of the available rebounds with Murphy on the floor
- 48.3% of the available rebounds with Murphy off the floor

They were a better rebounding team with him off the floor.

[droponov]

If he's even remotely healthy, he will play A LOT...

Last season, Troy Murphy(notes) averaged 14.6 points and 10.2 rebounds for the Indiana Pacers, spread out over 32.6 minutes per game in 72 contests. He pulled in over 17 percent of the rebounds that were available for him to grab while on the court, a very good mark, and shot 38 percent from long range. His Player Efficiency Rating of 18 was a career high, as he worked through the entire season at age 29, usually the peak age for NBA players.
And while NBA types usually sustain that production at age 30, or slightly drop off, nobody could have predicted Troy Murphy's sudden fall from grace. Traded to the New Jersey Nets over the offseason, the double-double machine is off the team's active roster.
Why? Because of Avery Johnson. That's why.

Three factors those stats don't capture:
- the system and coach in Indiana were perfect for him;
- his rebounding is overrated because he pads it by cleaning up uncontested and below the rims rebounds in the defensive glass (see how Indiana replaced him with 2 mediocre and 1 awful rebounders in McRoberts, Hansbrough and Posey and their rebounding improved by a lot);
- he's one of the worst defenders in the entire league.

what is he supposed to do with those rebounds then, let it go? he must be so lucky that he has uncontested and below the rim rebounds all the time while those with poor rebounding stats dont.

Of course not, it's part of the mindset of every great rebounder to go after every ball, to fight for rebounds with the teammates if needed. Guys like Rodman and Love did/do it all the time.

Again, he is a solid overall rebounder. But he doesn't keep possessions alive on the offensive glass and his team rebounding, his ability to contribute to the team rebounding prowess, is more limited than the numbers suggest (especially those rpg numbers).

If he was an elite rebounder, Indiana wouldn't have been one of the worst rebounding teams in the league.

[LooseCannon]

Going away from rebounds per game to rebounding percentage, Murphy led the NBA in defensive rebounding percentage in 2008-2009 and was fifth last season.  He probably could be in the top ten this season if played.  He's 13th among active players in career overall rebounding percentage.

[MBz]

He's not a good defender.  He's not what we need.  If Jermaine O'Neal is healthy, Murphy will be our 6th big.  He'll be behind Shaq, KG, Davis, Krstic and O'Neal.  I really do not want Murphy at all.  If he is the only big that is available for us, then we have to sign him as we need numbers.  If there's a defensive big available I'd much rather go in that direction.  I just find Murphy to be redundant with Krstic and Glen Davis here.

[EDWARDO]

Going away from rebounds per game to rebounding percentage, Murphy led the NBA in defensive rebounding percentage in 2008-2009 and was fifth last season.  He probably could be in the top ten this season if played.  He's 13th among active players in career overall rebounding percentage.

Yeah, but who were his COACHES?

[droponov]

I think you misread my point, EDWARDO.The coach doesn't affect his rebounding one way or the other.

But if you're a 3pt shooting power-forward, there's no better coach for your career than Jim O'Brien.

[Neurotic Guy]

He's not a good defender.  He's not what we need.  If Jermaine O'Neal is healthy, Murphy will be our 6th big.  He'll be behind Shaq, KG, Davis, Krstic and O'Neal.  I really do not want Murphy at all.  If he is the only big that is available for us, then we have to sign him as we need numbers.  If there's a defensive big available I'd much rather go in that direction.  I just find Murphy to be redundant with Krstic and Glen Davis here.

Who would that defesnive big be? 
Murphy is a solid back-up 4 on this team -- and an 'in a pinch' 4th string 5.  He adds flexibility and depth.  He might also be motivated enough to challenge for minutes.  This is potentially a very positive dynamic for this team.  Giving it all you got for your time on the court not only helps team energy, but might earn you more court time.  Murphy helps this team.  I've got to believe his defense would improve in this system and with this group of teammates. 

[StartOrien]

Here's where I'd guess to see the playoff minutes if we sign Murphy:

Shaq (20) / Jermaine (10) / BBD (10) / KG (8 )
KG (22) / BBD (10) / Murphy (8 ) / Green (8 )
Pierce (35) / Green (13)
Allen (35) / Delonte (13)
Rondo (40) / Delonte (8 )

[MBz]

He's not a good defender.  He's not what we need.  If Jermaine O'Neal is healthy, Murphy will be our 6th big.  He'll be behind Shaq, KG, Davis, Krstic and O'Neal.  I really do not want Murphy at all.  If he is the only big that is available for us, then we have to sign him as we need numbers.  If there's a defensive big available I'd much rather go in that direction.  I just find Murphy to be redundant with Krstic and Glen Davis here.

Who would that defesnive big be? 
Murphy is a solid back-up 4 on this team -- and an 'in a pinch' 4th string 5.  He adds flexibility and depth.  He might also be motivated enough to challenge for minutes.  This is potentially a very positive dynamic for this team.  Giving it all you got for your time on the court not only helps team energy, but might earn you more court time.  Murphy helps this team.  I've got to believe his defense would improve in this system and with this group of teammates. 

Right and that's what I mean by saying if he's the only big available you need to sign him.  We need the depth, but I just think we have enough offense in our bigs already.  A PJ Brown type player would benefit this team more I think.  I do think he'd be the 4th 5 and that's fine, but I just don't see him taking minutes away from Big Baby at the 4 or even Jeff Green at the 4.  We have guys who can do what he does already.  KG, Jeff Green, Glen Davis, Nenad Krstic, all of them can stretch the defense from those positions.  You don't always need to stretch it out with the 3 ball.  If someone gets hurt, it would be nice having the insurance of Troy Murphy, but that's all I really think he's going to be.