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Re: Chauncey is not an afterthought
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2011, 11:03:14 AM »

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A lot of people acted like Ray Felton was head and shoulders above Chauncey, which never made a lot of sense to me.

Good point.

Billups is a better player, but for D'Antoni's system, fast paced and with a very stretched floor, Felton is just as good, if not better. As he's also a better defender, the Knicks would be better with him.

Re: Chauncey is not an afterthought
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2011, 11:07:07 AM »

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A lot of people acted like Ray Felton was head and shoulders above Chauncey, which never made a lot of sense to me.

Good point.

Billups is a better player, but for D'Antoni's system, fast paced and with a very stretched floor, Felton is just as good, if not better. As he's also a better defender, the Knicks would be better with him.


Billups is the better defender.  He is also the  better leader. 


Felton was having a career year and still is not as good as Billups.

Re: Chauncey is not an afterthought
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2011, 11:15:04 AM »

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A lot of people acted like Ray Felton was head and shoulders above Chauncey, which never made a lot of sense to me.

Good point.

Billups is a better player, but for D'Antoni's system, fast paced and with a very stretched floor, Felton is just as good, if not better. As he's also a better defender, the Knicks would be better with him.

Billups is the better defender.  He is also the  better leader. 

Felton was having a career year and still is not as good as Billups.

I disagree about the defense. Felton is a very good defensive PG, Billups basically average and struggles quite a bit with the quicker penetrating guards.

I also disagree that Felton was having a career year. He was playing at around the same level he played in his last season in Charlotte. With worse shooting actually. But he was benefiting from the open or spaced floor that the Knicks type of offense offers to the primary ball-handler. That doesn't make him better.

I agree about the leadership, but I don't think it outweighs the rest.

I also agree that Billups is still a better player than Felton.

Re: Chauncey is not an afterthought
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2011, 11:21:49 AM »

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Re: Chauncey is not an afterthought
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2011, 11:36:06 AM »

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A lot of people acted like Ray Felton was head and shoulders above Chauncey, which never made a lot of sense to me.

Good point.

Billups is a better player, but for D'Antoni's system, fast paced and with a very stretched floor, Felton is just as good, if not better. As he's also a better defender, the Knicks would be better with him.
The team was a .500 team with Felton. Felton had a good start, but I don't think he is in Billups' league. Let's see if Felton ever again approaches his stat bubble from the beginning of the season.

At their primes, Billups is unquestionably superior. Now that Billups has aged, he likely has lost some physical ability, but his savvy is off the charts. Chauncey is a player who deeply understands how to get the most of his effort.

Billups has even been a more valuable player so far than Melo.

Re: Chauncey is not an afterthought
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2011, 11:43:53 AM »

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A lot of people acted like Ray Felton was head and shoulders above Chauncey, which never made a lot of sense to me.

Good point.

Billups is a better player, but for D'Antoni's system, fast paced and with a very stretched floor, Felton is just as good, if not better. As he's also a better defender, the Knicks would be better with him.
The team was a .500 team with Felton. Felton had a good start, but I don't think he is in Billups' league. Let's see if Felton ever again approaches his stat bubble from the beginning of the season.

Adjusted it for pace, the stretched floor in half-court sets and the level of ball-dominance and there's nothing particularly notorious about that stat bubble.

Billups is still a much superior player to Felton in a half-court offense. As a decision-maker, setting up his teammates for plays, deciding where to go, to the post in this possession, attack the break on this one, time to take a shot here, give a shot to that cutter there. I agree about his savvy.

In a fast paced offense + pick'n'roll + patterned ball movement, they're players of similar value and Felton's superior defense makes him the larger contributor for NY.

I'd pick Billups, but I'd also use a different offense than D'Antoni.

Re: Chauncey is not an afterthought
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2011, 11:55:55 AM »

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yes, I agree, chauncey was an important component in that trade. Mr. Big Shot.

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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2011, 12:01:40 PM »

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I honestly think that Chauncey makes the Knicks better than the Heat. Wade and Lebron do the same thing so they can't both do it at the same time. Chauncey's consistency, leadership, and most of all shooting, at the point is what Miami doesn't have.

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« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2011, 01:22:33 PM »

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  Billups hit a couple of big shots, but I think that the fact that they didn't end up with a higher percentage shot in those possessions isn't a great thing. He also had 2 assists and 5 turnovers for the game. He's still clutch and he's still better than Felton but I think he's getting by on a lot of guile and not much athleticism.

Re: Chauncey is not an afterthought
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2011, 01:58:16 PM »

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Obviously not.  Last year Chauncey was widely considered a top 5 PG and this year he's still probably top 10.  He was perfectly capable as the second option to Melo, and now he's the third.  I've said it before: the all-around scoring of Melo, unstoppable pick and roll of Amare, and the shooting PG in Billups is a better combo than the 3 isolation scorers Miami has (at least offensively) even though they have 2 of the top 3 players in the game.  It's all about fit.
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