lets name the positive things about the trades today

[adrew35]

i am tired reading all the negative remarks lol

[throwedoff]

we got rid of Nate and his horrific decision making, and we got a young backup small forward

[vinnie]

Nate is gone and they got a 2017 draft pick from Sacramento. 

[CelticSooner]

Krstic will be able to spread the floor.

[action781]

Forget about wondering whether or not Perk for Green was fair value or not for a second.

I know this is a long shot, but if Dalembert gets bought out and signs with us, we essentially get Jeff Green for almost nothing!!!  That will be a heist!

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, that's a hard one to do. A lot of us are upset, and deservedly so.

We got a chance to see this Johnson kid. He played well, even though he's raw.

I am interested to see how Jeff Green will work with the team...Paul now has the quality backup he has always needed.

Plus, in some instances Jeff can spell KG.

Nenad? There is a 5:42 youtube clip of him...don't want to post it here because of the language associated with it. He seemed to play well vs LA's twin towers last season - during the playoffs.

I don't think Nenad is a bad addition at all.

[Q_FBE]

Forget about wondering whether or not Perk for Green was fair value or not for a second.

I know this is a long shot, but if Dalembert gets bought out and signs with us, we essentially get Jeff Green for almost nothing!!!  That will be a heist!

When is Andrew Bogut a FA?

[Kid Holla]

We get Green who can play the 3 or the 4. Spark off the bench, can defend Lebron\Melo when PP is out. Kristic isn't bad for the bench ethier. Three open spots on the roster. One for Murphy. And the other two for ethier Rip\Parker\Dalambert\Camby.

[vinnie]

The best news was Danny didn't have anymore healthy centers to trade.

[Q_FBE]

So in a Nutshell, we basically traded Wally Sczerbiak and Kendrik Perkins for Ray Allen, Glen Davis, and Nened Krstic plus a future Clipper pick. Jeff Green was our #5 pick in the Durant draft.

I just get the feeling that Jeff Green did not really fit in Oklahoma but could find his game in Boston.

It looks like Denver can make life miserable for a lot of folks in the WC including the Lakers. Oklahoma joins the Big 3 (DAL, SA, and LAL).

The Lakers won last night in Portland but they still look like they can be had.

Cleveland could be fun to watch with Luke Harongody and the Beast of Erden.  

It is what it is.

[action781]

So in a Nutshell, we basically traded Wally Sczerbiak and Kendrik Perkins for Ray Allen, Glen Davis, and Nened Krstic plus a future Clipper pick. Jeff Green was our #5 pick in the Durant draft.

I just get the feeling that Jeff Green did not really fit in Oklahoma but could find his game in Boston.

It looks like Denver can make life miserable for a lot of folks in the WC including the Lakers. Oklahoma joins the Big 3 (DAL, SA, and LAL).

The Lakers won last night in Portland but they still look like they can be had.

Cleveland could be fun to watch with Luke Harongody and the Beast of Erden.  

It is what it is.

Not only that, but in that "nutshell trade" we also got to keep Perk for 3 of his good years and then stole Green after he was spending time developing on another team.   

[LilRip]

1. i hope Green becomes our version of Lamar Odom.
2. it'd be very interesting to see what happens with our 3 free roster spots.
3. i hope that Clippers 1st rd pick turns out to be a good one

[aporel#18]

We'll see the positive things when they unfold, but for now, it seems like the summer of KG the Celtics will have the space to resign Green (if he takes the qualifying offer next year), to sign a big name free agent, and to resign KG and Ray for little money to play from the bench and retire as Celtics. And they'll have the Clippers pick and their own in the draft. Not bad.

We'll see if Green deserves to be resigned, if Nenad can be a good backup center. I guess Green will be the 6th-7th player beside BBD, with Shaq starting, and a bench of West/bought out SG/Green/BBD/Krstic. Add Wafer as 5th guard and JO or Sheed in a PJ Brown role and it would be a great 12 team. But I'm sure Danny will pickup something good in march. By tuesday we'll know who's available.

We still have the Big 4.

Bradley will be an asset in the 2012 great summer trade Danny is planning. There's a lot of positive stuff.

Go Celtics!!

[LarBrd33]

I don't really know how to rate Perkins accurately.   Depending on who you ask... he's either a poor man's Dwight Howard (with no offense, quickness or athleticism) or a rich man's Adonal Foyle.   He probably falls somewhere in the middle.  

Is he underrated?  On another team could he somehow average more than 26 minutes per game... suddenly become a consistent double-digit rebounder and average 2-3 blocks per game?... was he incredible unselfish in this system and will he suddenly see his numbers leap as dramatically as KG/Ray/Pierce's numbers dipped by joining together?...  Is he the best defensive big man in the league not named Dwight Howard?.. the "captain" of the Celtics defense?

Or is he overrated?  Good defensive big man with poor hands, limited athleticism, zero offense and happened to be in the perfect situation?  The guy has averaged 6 points, 6 rebounds and a block over his career.  He's never averaged 30 minutes per game.  The team arguably played better with elderly Shaq.   Perk's been back 12 games coming off a major surgery and this team had no trouble winning without him.  

Honestly not sure.  I will say that you frequently see key role players on championship-caliber teams overrated significantly.  You see these players a lot, hear there names a lot and overrate their impact as a result.  Perkins was key to this team, but does that really mean he's that great?   There's a reason why general NBA fans have heard of the name "Luc Longley"... and it wasn't because he was a superstar.  Longley was the role playing big man on Jordan's last 3 titles... and not surprisingly got his biggest bucks after leaving the bulls (made 11 mil his first 7 years... then 30 mil over his next 5 post-Bulls craptastic seasons).  No doubt there were several better big men in the game than Longley at the time who would have flourished just as much on that team.  Same can be said for a guy like Steve Kerr... who would have been a nobody had he not lucked into the perfect role in Chicago.  

Personally, I'm not going to be at all shocked if Perk fails to make much of an impact in OKC.  This team had 4 all-stars helping them win games... Perk wasn't one of them... and Ainge may eventually be seen as a genius for dumping the overhyped "name" his team built up for a legitimate talent in Jeff Green. For what it's worth, I've yet to see any of the names who have left this squad take off in their new digs.  Are Leon Powe, Eddie House, James Posey and Tony Allen lighting the world on fire on their new teams?  Nope.  But general NBA fans know the names of these "huge pieces".    

At the same time, I'm not going to be shocked if Perk's numbers all take a jump and becomes a key piece of a contender in OKC... really can't tell with him.  

Gut instinct:  Jeff Green is by far the best talent in the trade and Boston will find a way to replace Perk's production... we'll just look a little different.

Might seem hypocritical, but my gut says Jeff Green's talents were overshadowed by a couple phenoms... while Perk's spotlight was overly bright by playing with 4 unselfish all-stars.

Last thought... pre-big 3 Perk wasn't really that much different than current Perk... but in 2007 there's no way you'd be able to trade Perkins for a top 5 pick.   The player hasn't really changed... just the circumstances.

 

[LilRip]

I don't really know how to rate Perkins accurately.   Depending on who you ask... he's either a poor man's Dwight Howard (with no offense, quickness or athleticism) or a rich man's Adonal Foyle.   He probably falls somewhere in the middle.  

Is he underrated?  On another team could he somehow average more than 26 minutes per game... suddenly become a consistent double-digit rebounder and average 2-3 blocks per game?... was he incredible unselfish in this system and will he suddenly see his numbers leap as dramatically as KG/Ray/Pierce's numbers dipped by joining together?...  Is he the best defensive big man in the league not named Dwight Howard?.. the "captain" of the Celtics defense?

Or is he overrated?  Good defensive big man with poor hands, limited athleticism, zero offense and happened to be in the perfect situation?  The guy has averaged 6 points, 6 rebounds and a block over his career.  He's never averaged 30 minutes per game.  The team arguably played better with elderly Shaq.   Perk's been back 12 games coming off a major surgery and this team had no trouble winning without him.  

Honestly not sure.  I will say that you frequently see key role players on championship-caliber teams overrated significantly.  You see these players a lot, hear there names a lot and overrate their impact as a result.  Perkins was key to this team, but does that really mean he's that great?   There's a reason why general NBA fans have heard of the name "Luc Longley"... and it wasn't because he was a superstar.  Longley was the role playing big man on Jordan's last 3 titles... and not surprisingly got his biggest bucks after leaving the bulls (made 11 mil his first 7 years... then 30 mil over his next 5 post-Bulls craptastic seasons).  No doubt there were several better big men in the game than Longley at the time who would have flourished just as much on that team.  Same can be said for a guy like Steve Kerr... who would have been a nobody had he not lucked into the perfect role in Chicago.  

Personally, I'm not going to be at all shocked if Perk fails to make much of an impact in OKC.  This team had 4 all-stars helping them win games... Perk wasn't one of them... and Ainge may eventually be seen as a genius for dumping the overhyped "name" his team built up for a legitimate talent in Jeff Green. For what it's worth, I've yet to see any of the names who have left this squad take off in their new digs.  Are Leon Powe, Eddie House, James Posey and Tony Allen lighting the world on fire on their new teams?  Nope.  But general NBA fans know the names of these "huge pieces".    

At the same time, I'm not going to be shocked if Perk's numbers all take a jump and becomes a key piece of a contender in OKC... really can't tell with him.  

Gut instinct:  Jeff Green is by far the best talent in the trade and Boston will find a way to replace Perk's production... we'll just look a little different.

Might seem hypocritical, but my gut says Jeff Green's talents were overshadowed by a couple phenoms... while Perk's spotlight was overly bright by playing with 4 unselfish all-stars.

Last thought... pre-big 3 Perk wasn't really that much different than current Perk... but in 2007 there's no way you'd be able to trade Perkins for a top 5 pick.   The player hasn't really changed... just the circumstances.

 

nice post. i especially like how you mentioned that role players on championship teams tend to look better than role players in other teams. TP for you!