Lakers struggles have Kupchak ready to make moves

[Bankshot]

Bynum & Artest

for

Biedrins, Wright, Radmanovic

Why would they take a damaged big man that can't stay healthy and that headcase Artest with 3 more years left on his contract?

[nba is the worst]

You guys are funny.

Buss is trying to save $.

Melo ain't happening.

But Walton and Blake for Conley?

Stay tuned...

[Bankshot]

You guys are funny.

Buss is trying to save $.

Melo ain't happening.

But Walton and Blake for Conley?

Stay tuned...

Memphis just signed Conley to a big contract that people though was too much.  But Conley is playing really well now.  Why would they take Blake for the young and improving Conley?  Memphis is a pretty good young team.  I don't see why they mess it up just to help the Lakers a second time.

[Q_FBE]

Mitch is just bluffing to light a fire under their ***. In case a trade is made, I would completely trust him to do it. I would like to do Bynum and filler for Melo and a decent center. Bynum's value is very high now. Gasol's not being traded.

I think your right Lakersfan_33. I like your TP total so I will not TP you. Denver is sending Melo to the East coast if they send him anywhere. Perhaps they can trade Artest and Lamar Odom to a bottom feeder like Cleveland for JJ Hickson and Anderson Varejavo [/s]

[Moranis]

Bynum & Artest

for

Biedrins, Wright, Radmanovic

Why would they take a damaged big man that can't stay healthy and that headcase Artest with 3 more years left on his contract?

because they are unloading a lesser talented damaged big man that can't stay healthy and has a contract just as long as Artest but at about 3 million more per year.

[nba is the worst]

You guys are funny.

Buss is trying to save $.

Melo ain't happening.

But Walton and Blake for Conley?

Stay tuned...

Memphis just signed Conley to a big contract that people though was too much.  But Conley is playing really well now.  Why would they take Blake for the young and improving Conley?  Memphis is a pretty good young team.  I don't see why they mess it up just to help the Lakers a second time.

Sorry, should have put (sarcasm) at the bottom...

[LakersFan_33]

Mitch is just bluffing to light a fire under their ***. In case a trade is made, I would completely trust him to do it. I would like to do Bynum and filler for Melo and a decent center. Bynum's value is very high now. Gasol's not being traded.

I think your right Lakersfan_33. I like your TP total so I will not TP you. Denver is sending Melo to the East coast if they send him anywhere. Perhaps they can trade Artest and Lamar Odom to a bottom feeder like Cleveland for JJ Hickson and Anderson Varejavo [/s]

We'll have to see. I have no problem getting Melo and sacrificing a year if it means setting up the franchise for the future/post-Kobe era. I'm not certain when Gasol's contract finishes, but If Melo is involved, then maybe Dwight Howard might take a closer look in 2012. Melo + Dwight Howard equals excellent core.

[LakersFan_33]

Mitch is just bluffing to light a fire under their ***. In case a trade is made, I would completely trust him to do it. I would like to do Bynum and filler for Melo and a decent center. Bynum's value is very high now. Gasol's not being traded.

How is Bynum's value high?  I don't believe the guy has had an injury free season yet.  And he sat out practice yesterday with a sore knee.

Knee soreness is being reported, but it's not anything that will sideline him. He hasn't missed a game since his return from surgery. He's playing well, and is a very large true center with good skills - Very valuable in this league.

[csfansince60s]

guys I can't see them trading Kobe, Gasol & Odom , Bynum if healthy

the rest of their roster isn't going to shake up any good trades...

best move is to trade kobe and build around gasol but that won't happen

TP, 2short.....best move for Mitch and Co. is to trade Kobe...sell high...with his right to veto any trade, the only place that might have the pieces to trade AND where he might agree to go would be NYC...hmmm....new thread?

[wdleehi]

Mitch is just bluffing to light a fire under their ***. In case a trade is made, I would completely trust him to do it. I would like to do Bynum and filler for Melo and a decent center. Bynum's value is very high now. Gasol's not being traded.

How is Bynum's value high?  I don't believe the guy has had an injury free season yet.  And he sat out practice yesterday with a sore knee.

Knee soreness is being reported, but it's not anything that will sideline him. He hasn't missed a game since his return from surgery. He's playing well, and is a very large true center with good skills - Very valuable in this league.

He hasn't missed a game in the past 24 games.


He of coursed missed the 24 games before that.

17 games in 09-10
32 games in 08-09
47 games in 07-08


Not counting games missed in the playoffs.

[csfansince60s]

I'm not sure Mitch would, but I would. Yah, I know he's the face of the franchise, and yah, I know the old maxim that the team who gets the best player, gets the best deal, but there are many reasons I do this.

1. Kobe is 32, prime time, right? (or just starting the downside). It could be and has been argued that his selfish play this season is a big part of the Fakers woes. It also has been and could be argued that Gasol's value to the team is as significant as Kobe. I like Gasol's next five years better than I like Kobe's.

2. His value to a wannabe team is huge. Fakers get excellent young team players in return and maybe draft picks. Fakers can rebuild on the fly and still be competitive now.

3. His value, both trade wise and production wise for the Fakers only gets worse next year and the year after.

The main problems in trading him are 3: in PR (he is the face of the franchise), giving up the best player and his right to approve any trade. That's why the Knicks are the best place to trade him for three reasons:1. the market is the only one to rival and perhaps exceed LA, and probably the only one he would accept, and with him, they would be challengers for the title, 2. the knicks have excellent young pieces to give the Fakers and 3. the Knicks (like every arrogant, impetuous New York team), would give ANYTHING to win NOW, and with Kobe, they would be challengers marginally now and have a three to four year window to win.

This trade works http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5830422 and I think would be good for both franchises.

NYK get Kobe, Fisher and Barnes

Fakers get: Curry (big expiring, big $$$ flexibility and savings), Felton, Gallinari, Chandler and Fields, all young talented , reasonable contracts who can produce now and have big upside. (If the knicks don't want to give up Chandler, Randolph can be substituted, but Fakers unlikely to do this because Randolph's stock has dropped.

[Fafnir]

No, he's the franchise to them as far as marketing goes. The Knicks lack the pieces to get Melo, they aren't getting Kobe.

[csfansince60s]

No, he's the franchise to them as far as marketing goes. The Knicks lack the pieces to get Melo, they aren't getting Kobe.

Faf, agree with first sentence, as I said in my post, not totally with the second. I'm not sure how much they lacked the pieces as much as it was that the Knicks weren't ready to almost gut the franchise for Melo. I think they would for Kobe.

[Fafnir]

No, he's the franchise to them as far as marketing goes. The Knicks lack the pieces to get Melo, they aren't getting Kobe.

Faf, agree with first sentence, as I said in my post, not totally with the second. I'm not sure how much they lacked the pieces as much as it was that the Knicks weren't ready to almost gut the franchise for Melo. I think they would for Kobe.

If you're trading the a key player on a contending team you better getting a young player with MVP potential. Instead they'd be getting a couple of maybe all-stars who probably won't make an all-nba team even.

The Knicks don't have the talent for Kobe or Melo. For all the Melo bashing that people have engaged in, Melo has just as much value if not more than Kobe. He's much younger and brings a very similar skill set.

[guava_wrench]

No, he's the franchise to them as far as marketing goes. The Knicks lack the pieces to get Melo, they aren't getting Kobe.

Faf, agree with first sentence, as I said in my post, not totally with the second. I'm not sure how much they lacked the pieces as much as it was that the Knicks weren't ready to almost gut the franchise for Melo. I think they would for Kobe.

If you're trading the a key player on a contending team you better getting a young player with MVP potential. Instead they'd be getting a couple of maybe all-stars who probably won't make an all-nba team even.

The Knicks don't have the talent for Kobe or Melo. For all the Melo bashing that people have engaged in, Melo has just as much value if not more than Kobe. He's much younger and brings a very similar skill set.

I would agree that Melo has more long term value. I disagree about skillset. Melo loves contested shots but hits an average % of them. Kobe loves contested shots but hits a high percentage of them.

Kobe can also pass. And Kobe can defend quite well.

Melo also elicits no fear in the playoffs. None.

Sometimes the 'similar skill set' concept can be tough when there are only so many skills you can have in basketball.