Time to trade Brady?

[winsomme]

Who are going to have the three worst records in the NFL next season?

Pretty impossible to predict.  Look at the Rams this season.

my point exactly...it's not outside the realm of possibility that you could end up with a really high pick considering how volatile the NFL is...

[winsomme]

So the idea of trading Brady isn't all that outrageous. Especially if you could put yourself in line to somehow get the Stanford QB down the line...

  So the plan is to trade Brady and end up with one of the worst records in the league?

well I was thinking more of trading him somewhere and getting a pick that could potentially be a #1 pick in return...

The Bruins seem to have done it.

  The NHL has a lottery. You'd really have to trade him to a team that's so bad that even with Brady they'd be one of the worst teams in the league. Teams that are that bad don't trade draft picks for 33 year old quarterbacks.

How about 30 year old linemen?

[BballTim]

So the idea of trading Brady isn't all that outrageous. Especially if you could put yourself in line to somehow get the Stanford QB down the line...

  So the plan is to trade Brady and end up with one of the worst records in the league?

well I was thinking more of trading him somewhere and getting a pick that could potentially be a #1 pick in return...

The Bruins seem to have done it.

  The NHL has a lottery. You'd really have to trade him to a team that's so bad that even with Brady they'd be one of the worst teams in the league. Teams that are that bad don't trade draft picks for 33 year old quarterbacks.

How about 30 year old linemen?

  Okay, so they traded an all-pro lineman with the hopes of getting a top draft pick and they'll end up with, what, the 16th pick or so? And the Raiders went to 8-8 with Campbell and Gradkowski as quarterbacks. Give them Brady and they make the playoffs, and you'd have traded him for a pick in the 20s.

[winsomme]

So the idea of trading Brady isn't all that outrageous. Especially if you could put yourself in line to somehow get the Stanford QB down the line...

  So the plan is to trade Brady and end up with one of the worst records in the league?

well I was thinking more of trading him somewhere and getting a pick that could potentially be a #1 pick in return...

The Bruins seem to have done it.

  The NHL has a lottery. You'd really have to trade him to a team that's so bad that even with Brady they'd be one of the worst teams in the league. Teams that are that bad don't trade draft picks for 33 year old quarterbacks.

How about 30 year old linemen?

  Okay, so they traded an all-pro lineman with the hopes of getting a top draft pick and they'll end up with, what, the 16th pick or so? And the Raiders went to 8-8 with Campbell and Gradkowski as quarterbacks. Give them Brady and they make the playoffs, and you'd have traded him for a pick in the 20s.

well they took this year's because of rookie contract questions....they could have had last years which was #8...

[Rondo2287]

So the idea of trading Brady isn't all that outrageous. Especially if you could put yourself in line to somehow get the Stanford QB down the line...

  So the plan is to trade Brady and end up with one of the worst records in the league?

well I was thinking more of trading him somewhere and getting a pick that could potentially be a #1 pick in return...

The Bruins seem to have done it.

  The NHL has a lottery. You'd really have to trade him to a team that's so bad that even with Brady they'd be one of the worst teams in the league. Teams that are that bad don't trade draft picks for 33 year old quarterbacks.

How about 30 year old linemen?

  Okay, so they traded an all-pro lineman with the hopes of getting a top draft pick and they'll end up with, what, the 16th pick or so? And the Raiders went to 8-8 with Campbell and Gradkowski as quarterbacks. Give them Brady and they make the playoffs, and you'd have traded him for a pick in the 20s.

well they took this year's because of rookie contract questions....they could have had last years which was #8...

Do you have a link for this?

[winsomme]

So the idea of trading Brady isn't all that outrageous. Especially if you could put yourself in line to somehow get the Stanford QB down the line...

  So the plan is to trade Brady and end up with one of the worst records in the league?

well I was thinking more of trading him somewhere and getting a pick that could potentially be a #1 pick in return...

The Bruins seem to have done it.

  The NHL has a lottery. You'd really have to trade him to a team that's so bad that even with Brady they'd be one of the worst teams in the league. Teams that are that bad don't trade draft picks for 33 year old quarterbacks.

How about 30 year old linemen?

  Okay, so they traded an all-pro lineman with the hopes of getting a top draft pick and they'll end up with, what, the 16th pick or so? And the Raiders went to 8-8 with Campbell and Gradkowski as quarterbacks. Give them Brady and they make the playoffs, and you'd have traded him for a pick in the 20s.

well they took this year's because of rookie contract questions....they could have had last years which was #8...

Do you have a link for this?

I'll have to look around but that was definitely the reporting at the time. The Raiders would have given the 2010 pick but the Pats didn't want it due to the rookie contract situation..

but leaving that aside for a second, is it that outrageous to think that the Raiders would have bombed again this season....I mean, they just fired their coach again...

[BballTim]

So the idea of trading Brady isn't all that outrageous. Especially if you could put yourself in line to somehow get the Stanford QB down the line...

  So the plan is to trade Brady and end up with one of the worst records in the league?

well I was thinking more of trading him somewhere and getting a pick that could potentially be a #1 pick in return...

The Bruins seem to have done it.

  The NHL has a lottery. You'd really have to trade him to a team that's so bad that even with Brady they'd be one of the worst teams in the league. Teams that are that bad don't trade draft picks for 33 year old quarterbacks.

How about 30 year old linemen?

  Okay, so they traded an all-pro lineman with the hopes of getting a top draft pick and they'll end up with, what, the 16th pick or so? And the Raiders went to 8-8 with Campbell and Gradkowski as quarterbacks. Give them Brady and they make the playoffs, and you'd have traded him for a pick in the 20s.

well they took this year's because of rookie contract questions....they could have had last years which was #8...

  Again, that pick would have been a lot worse than 8 if you switch Brady for JaMarcus Russell. Would it have been worth it 2 years ago to trade Brady for a mid 1st rounder?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth #20]

This thread was started as a joke or by a Jets fan. Obviously, no real Pats fan would suggest trading the best player in the league..unless its a joke but I'm thinking Jets fan rubbing it in.

[winsomme]

So the idea of trading Brady isn't all that outrageous. Especially if you could put yourself in line to somehow get the Stanford QB down the line...

  So the plan is to trade Brady and end up with one of the worst records in the league?

well I was thinking more of trading him somewhere and getting a pick that could potentially be a #1 pick in return...

The Bruins seem to have done it.

  The NHL has a lottery. You'd really have to trade him to a team that's so bad that even with Brady they'd be one of the worst teams in the league. Teams that are that bad don't trade draft picks for 33 year old quarterbacks.

How about 30 year old linemen?

  Okay, so they traded an all-pro lineman with the hopes of getting a top draft pick and they'll end up with, what, the 16th pick or so? And the Raiders went to 8-8 with Campbell and Gradkowski as quarterbacks. Give them Brady and they make the playoffs, and you'd have traded him for a pick in the 20s.

well they took this year's because of rookie contract questions....they could have had last years which was #8...

  Again, that pick would have been a lot worse than 8 if you switch Brady for JaMarcus Russell. Would it have been worth it 2 years ago to trade Brady for a mid 1st rounder?

or maybe the disaster known as the Oakland Raiders would have still imploded and been completely unable to protect Brady....maybe he would have gotten re-injured due to their coaching and front office ineptness...who knows what would have happend.

teams implode all the time. look at Denver and Cincinnati this year. did anybody think that they would end up with the #2 and #4 picks in the draft?

[BballTim]

So the idea of trading Brady isn't all that outrageous. Especially if you could put yourself in line to somehow get the Stanford QB down the line...

  So the plan is to trade Brady and end up with one of the worst records in the league?

well I was thinking more of trading him somewhere and getting a pick that could potentially be a #1 pick in return...

The Bruins seem to have done it.

  The NHL has a lottery. You'd really have to trade him to a team that's so bad that even with Brady they'd be one of the worst teams in the league. Teams that are that bad don't trade draft picks for 33 year old quarterbacks.

Arizona Cardinals seemed to do okay adding an older QB.

  So the Cardinals, before trading for an old draft pick, were so bad that they could have added Brady and been one of the worst teams in the league with him playing for them?

[BballTim]

So the idea of trading Brady isn't all that outrageous. Especially if you could put yourself in line to somehow get the Stanford QB down the line...

  So the plan is to trade Brady and end up with one of the worst records in the league?

well I was thinking more of trading him somewhere and getting a pick that could potentially be a #1 pick in return...

The Bruins seem to have done it.

  The NHL has a lottery. You'd really have to trade him to a team that's so bad that even with Brady they'd be one of the worst teams in the league. Teams that are that bad don't trade draft picks for 33 year old quarterbacks.

How about 30 year old linemen?

  Okay, so they traded an all-pro lineman with the hopes of getting a top draft pick and they'll end up with, what, the 16th pick or so? And the Raiders went to 8-8 with Campbell and Gradkowski as quarterbacks. Give them Brady and they make the playoffs, and you'd have traded him for a pick in the 20s.

well they took this year's because of rookie contract questions....they could have had last years which was #8...

  Again, that pick would have been a lot worse than 8 if you switch Brady for JaMarcus Russell. Would it have been worth it 2 years ago to trade Brady for a mid 1st rounder?

or maybe the disaster known as the Oakland Raiders would have still imploded and been completely unable to protect Brady....maybe he would have gotten re-injured due to their coaching and front office ineptness...who knows what would have happend.

teams implode all the time. look at Denver and Cincinnati this year. did anybody think that they would end up with the #2 and #4 picks in the draft?

  Sure, they could have. Anybody could. But you're talking about trading away 4-5 of Brady's prime years for a draft pick that has a chance at being a good pick but probably won't. Even if they're bad enough to get you a pick in the 3-5 range that won't get you a franchise qb, and even if you get a top pick the odds are probably at least 20-1 against him ever being as good as Brady is now. So you're trading Brady for , what, a 15-1 shot that you'll end up with a quarterback as good as Carson Palmer? Sweet.

[Brendan]

Absolutely not.

The Pat's D line was in miserable shape, and the Jets exploited it. Nothing less, nothing more.

Brady's pick was about as poorly timed as possible, even tho the D held up, it was a 7 point swing. If the Jets get down 10, I think the Pats go into cruise control. Instead the Jets are down three.

The Pat's D is still young, I expect improvement every year for the next three years with this crew. The main question is can they snag some D-Line guys and keep Wilfork elite level.

It might have been better to have more 4-3 ready against the Jets at some point in that game - especially given the extra week to prepare and the lack of personnel at NT/DE for the 3-4.

All the being said Sanchez played a great game and Brady just played very good. The fact that Brady's game is considered bad is a a testament to how good he is and the fact that Sanchez's great game probably swung the outcome is why you keep Brady: he's more likely to produce those QB winning games than anyone else in the league.

[winsomme]

So the idea of trading Brady isn't all that outrageous. Especially if you could put yourself in line to somehow get the Stanford QB down the line...

  So the plan is to trade Brady and end up with one of the worst records in the league?

well I was thinking more of trading him somewhere and getting a pick that could potentially be a #1 pick in return...

The Bruins seem to have done it.

  The NHL has a lottery. You'd really have to trade him to a team that's so bad that even with Brady they'd be one of the worst teams in the league. Teams that are that bad don't trade draft picks for 33 year old quarterbacks.

Arizona Cardinals seemed to do okay adding an older QB.

  So the Cardinals, before trading for an old draft pick, were so bad that they could have added Brady and been one of the worst teams in the league with him playing for them?

well I'm saying a couple of things...You can have a Hall of Fame QB and still be bad...and you can also have a past their prime QB and still go to the Super Bowl.

The idea that no bad team would be interested in trading for a 33 year old QB (who might be the best of all time) considering how volatile the NFL doesn't seem certain to me...

Also the idea that adding Brady to any team would definitely mean the team goes to the playoffs does not seem a lock....but that's more about a Raiders type scenario where the organization is completely discombobulated.

[Roy H.]

Let's say the Pats trade Brady for Luck...  What's the best case scenario?  That in 2 - 3 years, the Pats are as good as they are right now?

What's the sense?  Trades should be made to improve, and Luck would be in all likelihood a big downgrade, but at the very best an eventual wash.

[winsomme]

So the idea of trading Brady isn't all that outrageous. Especially if you could put yourself in line to somehow get the Stanford QB down the line...

  So the plan is to trade Brady and end up with one of the worst records in the league?

well I was thinking more of trading him somewhere and getting a pick that could potentially be a #1 pick in return...

The Bruins seem to have done it.

  The NHL has a lottery. You'd really have to trade him to a team that's so bad that even with Brady they'd be one of the worst teams in the league. Teams that are that bad don't trade draft picks for 33 year old quarterbacks.

How about 30 year old linemen?

  Okay, so they traded an all-pro lineman with the hopes of getting a top draft pick and they'll end up with, what, the 16th pick or so? And the Raiders went to 8-8 with Campbell and Gradkowski as quarterbacks. Give them Brady and they make the playoffs, and you'd have traded him for a pick in the 20s.

well they took this year's because of rookie contract questions....they could have had last years which was #8...

  Again, that pick would have been a lot worse than 8 if you switch Brady for JaMarcus Russell. Would it have been worth it 2 years ago to trade Brady for a mid 1st rounder?

or maybe the disaster known as the Oakland Raiders would have still imploded and been completely unable to protect Brady....maybe he would have gotten re-injured due to their coaching and front office ineptness...who knows what would have happend.

teams implode all the time. look at Denver and Cincinnati this year. did anybody think that they would end up with the #2 and #4 picks in the draft?

  Sure, they could have. Anybody could. But you're talking about trading away 4-5 of Brady's prime years for a draft pick that has a chance at being a good pick but probably won't. Even if they're bad enough to get you a pick in the 3-5 range that won't get you a franchise qb, and even if you get a top pick the odds are probably at least 20-1 against him ever being as good as Brady is now. So you're trading Brady for , what, a 15-1 shot that you'll end up with a quarterback as good as Carson Palmer? Sweet.

you can't get a franchise QB in the 3-5 range?

I don't know where you are coming up with your odds or your likelihoods, but regardless, I'm not arguing to trade Brady, I'm pointing out that the idea is not as outrageous as you are saying...

as I've said, I want Brady to be our QB. It's the coach (and his doomsday vibe) that I'm tired of...