Is Kevin Love for Real?

[Snakehead]

The numbers don't lie regardless of who's on the court with him.  This kid is a player. 

The only valid reason I can see for questioning the legitimacy of his numbers is the fact that Minnie actually traded for HIM.  Minnie's track record in the draft and with trades is SOOOOO suspect, I can see where someone might question how good this kid is.   

Well if you don't play with any good rebounders you are going to get more rebounds.  And if you don't have anyone else who is a good scorer you are going to score more points, because everyone can hit shots and someone has to.  So in that way his numbers aren't quite legit.  Sure, he put up 40 points but would you say he is as good of a scorer as 40 point type scorers like LeBron, Wade, Kobe, or Carmello?  No.

It's the same thing with Beasley, look at his numbers. Everyone called him a bust on the Heat because he didn't score and though he has improved this year, he is putting up way better numbers on Minny mostly because they need someone to score.


All that being said, Love is a legit player and one of the best rebounders in the league.  It's just his numbers aren't legit in how they are inflated, if he played on a better team he wouldn't get quite the stats he does now.

[StartOrien]

Thirty Rebounds. I don't care who is on his team. Thirty.

[Snakehead]

Thirty Rebounds. I don't care who is on his team. Thirty.

I still stick by the inflation but it is not something you can ignore, like you say, because it's not like you see other guys on bad teams going out and grabbing 30 boards. 

He is probably in the top 3 rebounders in the league, and he might be the best.  I'd say he definitely has the best fundamentals and approach to rebounding I've seen in a player since the late 90's to now.  When everyone is so worried about skying for the ball he plays it smart and fundamental.

[incoherent]

The kid is definitely for real...  numbers speak for themselves.

[slamtheking]

The numbers don't lie regardless of who's on the court with him.  This kid is a player. 

The only valid reason I can see for questioning the legitimacy of his numbers is the fact that Minnie actually traded for HIM.  Minnie's track record in the draft and with trades is SOOOOO suspect, I can see where someone might question how good this kid is.   

Well if you don't play with any good rebounders you are going to get more rebounds.  And if you don't have anyone else who is a good scorer you are going to score more points, because everyone can hit shots and someone has to.  So in that way his numbers aren't quite legit.  Sure, he put up 40 points but would you say he is as good of a scorer as 40 point type scorers like LeBron, Wade, Kobe, or Carmello?  No.

It's the same thing with Beasley, look at his numbers. Everyone called him a bust on the Heat because he didn't score and though he has improved this year, he is putting up way better numbers on Minny mostly because they need someone to score.


All that being said, Love is a legit player and one of the best rebounders in the league.  It's just his numbers aren't legit in how they are inflated, if he played on a better team he wouldn't get quite the stats he does now.

So, your point is what?   

I'm stating the kid is a player.  the numbers he's putting up, regardless of whether someone considers them inflated, are significant enough to consider this kid legit, regardless of whether he's on the court with a bunch of bums or all-stars.  would the numbers be lower if he were surrounded by all-stars, well duh.  However, he's not playing with all-stars and unlike many other players on teams that lack all-star talent, Love is actually getting those rebounds and point where those other players do not. 

consider this, PP was a great player that wasn't surrounded by great talent until the big trades.  he put up better numbers than he does now.  does that diminish his credibility as a top performing player?  I hardly think so. 

It appears you've reached the same conclusion in a roundabout way as well but just chose to try to create an argument over it.

[Snakehead]

The numbers don't lie regardless of who's on the court with him.  This kid is a player. 

The only valid reason I can see for questioning the legitimacy of his numbers is the fact that Minnie actually traded for HIM.  Minnie's track record in the draft and with trades is SOOOOO suspect, I can see where someone might question how good this kid is.   

Well if you don't play with any good rebounders you are going to get more rebounds.  And if you don't have anyone else who is a good scorer you are going to score more points, because everyone can hit shots and someone has to.  So in that way his numbers aren't quite legit.  Sure, he put up 40 points but would you say he is as good of a scorer as 40 point type scorers like LeBron, Wade, Kobe, or Carmello?  No.

It's the same thing with Beasley, look at his numbers. Everyone called him a bust on the Heat because he didn't score and though he has improved this year, he is putting up way better numbers on Minny mostly because they need someone to score.


All that being said, Love is a legit player and one of the best rebounders in the league.  It's just his numbers aren't legit in how they are inflated, if he played on a better team he wouldn't get quite the stats he does now.

So, your point is what?   

I'm stating the kid is a player.  the numbers he's putting up, regardless of whether someone considers them inflated, are significant enough to consider this kid legit, regardless of whether he's on the court with a bunch of bums or all-stars.  would the numbers be lower if he were surrounded by all-stars, well duh.  However, he's not playing with all-stars and unlike many other players on teams that lack all-star talent, Love is actually getting those rebounds and point where those other players do not. 

consider this, PP was a great player that wasn't surrounded by great talent until the big trades.  he put up better numbers than he does now.  does that diminish his credibility as a top performing player?  I hardly think so. 

It appears you've reached the same conclusion in a roundabout way as well but just chose to try to create an argument over it.

Not creating an argument just saying I thought they were more inflated than you seemed to, especially in regards to his scoring, because you said "regardless of who is on the floor with him" when I see that as actually a factor in his numbers, because according to his numbers he is better than I believe he is.  Especially, again, the scoring because Love is simply not a "40 point" level type scorer. But don't worry, we agree on his quality as a player, especially in rebounding. Relax 

[slamtheking]

The numbers don't lie regardless of who's on the court with him.  This kid is a player. 

The only valid reason I can see for questioning the legitimacy of his numbers is the fact that Minnie actually traded for HIM.  Minnie's track record in the draft and with trades is SOOOOO suspect, I can see where someone might question how good this kid is.   

Well if you don't play with any good rebounders you are going to get more rebounds.  And if you don't have anyone else who is a good scorer you are going to score more points, because everyone can hit shots and someone has to.  So in that way his numbers aren't quite legit.  Sure, he put up 40 points but would you say he is as good of a scorer as 40 point type scorers like LeBron, Wade, Kobe, or Carmello?  No.

It's the same thing with Beasley, look at his numbers. Everyone called him a bust on the Heat because he didn't score and though he has improved this year, he is putting up way better numbers on Minny mostly because they need someone to score.


All that being said, Love is a legit player and one of the best rebounders in the league.  It's just his numbers aren't legit in how they are inflated, if he played on a better team he wouldn't get quite the stats he does now.

So, your point is what?   

I'm stating the kid is a player.  the numbers he's putting up, regardless of whether someone considers them inflated, are significant enough to consider this kid legit, regardless of whether he's on the court with a bunch of bums or all-stars.  would the numbers be lower if he were surrounded by all-stars, well duh.  However, he's not playing with all-stars and unlike many other players on teams that lack all-star talent, Love is actually getting those rebounds and point where those other players do not. 

consider this, PP was a great player that wasn't surrounded by great talent until the big trades.  he put up better numbers than he does now.  does that diminish his credibility as a top performing player?  I hardly think so. 

It appears you've reached the same conclusion in a roundabout way as well but just chose to try to create an argument over it.

Not creating an argument just saying I thought they were more inflated than you seemed to, especially in regards to his scoring, because you said "regardless of who is on the floor with him" when I see that as actually a factor in his numbers, because according to his numbers he is better than I believe he is.  Especially, again, the scoring because Love is simply not a "40 point" level type scorer. But don't worry, we agree on his quality as a player, especially in rebounding. Relax 

I'm chilled, no worries. 

I wasn't mentioning any specific numbers or saying he'd produce at his current level regardless of who's on the floor.  Just simply stating his numbers show he's legit no matter who's on the floor with him. 

Would "Love" to see him on the C's some day.

[Snakehead]

The numbers don't lie regardless of who's on the court with him.  This kid is a player. 

The only valid reason I can see for questioning the legitimacy of his numbers is the fact that Minnie actually traded for HIM.  Minnie's track record in the draft and with trades is SOOOOO suspect, I can see where someone might question how good this kid is.   

Well if you don't play with any good rebounders you are going to get more rebounds.  And if you don't have anyone else who is a good scorer you are going to score more points, because everyone can hit shots and someone has to.  So in that way his numbers aren't quite legit.  Sure, he put up 40 points but would you say he is as good of a scorer as 40 point type scorers like LeBron, Wade, Kobe, or Carmello?  No.

It's the same thing with Beasley, look at his numbers. Everyone called him a bust on the Heat because he didn't score and though he has improved this year, he is putting up way better numbers on Minny mostly because they need someone to score.


All that being said, Love is a legit player and one of the best rebounders in the league.  It's just his numbers aren't legit in how they are inflated, if he played on a better team he wouldn't get quite the stats he does now.

So, your point is what?   

I'm stating the kid is a player.  the numbers he's putting up, regardless of whether someone considers them inflated, are significant enough to consider this kid legit, regardless of whether he's on the court with a bunch of bums or all-stars.  would the numbers be lower if he were surrounded by all-stars, well duh.  However, he's not playing with all-stars and unlike many other players on teams that lack all-star talent, Love is actually getting those rebounds and point where those other players do not. 

consider this, PP was a great player that wasn't surrounded by great talent until the big trades.  he put up better numbers than he does now.  does that diminish his credibility as a top performing player?  I hardly think so. 

It appears you've reached the same conclusion in a roundabout way as well but just chose to try to create an argument over it.

Not creating an argument just saying I thought they were more inflated than you seemed to, especially in regards to his scoring, because you said "regardless of who is on the floor with him" when I see that as actually a factor in his numbers, because according to his numbers he is better than I believe he is.  Especially, again, the scoring because Love is simply not a "40 point" level type scorer. But don't worry, we agree on his quality as a player, especially in rebounding. Relax 

I'm chilled, no worries. 

I wasn't mentioning any specific numbers or saying he'd produce at his current level regardless of who's on the floor.  Just simply stating his numbers show he's legit no matter who's on the floor with him. 

Would "Love" to see him on the C's some day.

Okay, I just took it as you thought he might put up those numbers on any team but we are in agreement.

And on him being a C one day, agreed.  Hopefully he doesn't waste away on Minny like KG did and if he followed in his footsteps by coming here I would love it.  His rebounding, outlet passing, and  spot up 3 pt shooting make him a perfect complimentary player and would all be great skills along side Rondo in the coming years.

[guava_wrench]

Anyone read the Hollinger piece on good stats on bad teams?

[Snakehead]

Anyone read the Hollinger piece on good stats on bad teams?

Which one do you mean?  Don't think I read it anyways, but actually he has something up about Kevin Love's bid for the All-Star team and how it relates to his team being bad but I'm not able to see it because I don't pay ESPN.  That always is annoying.

[PosImpos]

Does a Geico ad campaign get played out fairly quickly?

Nicely done.

[D Dub]

He's legit, best position rebounder in the L right now.  
In a recent interview, he pulls a quote from the great #6 (ya know, the one with all the rings) --- "90% of rebounds occur below the rim".  Not many with that bbIQ these days...

Of course, there are a lot more rebound opportunities when none of your teamates can throw it in the ocean  

[Fafnir]

Of course, there are a lot more rebound opportunities when none of your teamates can throw it in the ocean  

Even by rebound rate he's the best in the league.

I think he's a legit player, but his defense will keep him from being a elite player. He also needs to work on finishing at the rim.

[Daddyfatsax]

It's good to see another team's fans accurately describe one of our players for a change. We usually just hear about how much Darko and Beasley suck...

[Chris]

I don't think he is as good as the stats look, but he is certainly a heck of a player.  He still has a ways to go defensively before he is a true franchise player, and I think he needs to diversify his offense a bit more, for once teams work harder on gameplanning for him.  But you simply cannot fake those numbers.  They may be inflated, but he would be producing on any team.  Particularly with the rebounds, he is just a beast.

I really hope they can put a strong team around him soon (or move him), because I am very excited to see how he grows.