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Re: Carmelo Anthony Should Take a Lesson From Steve Nash
« Reply #75 on: December 21, 2010, 04:23:37 PM »

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The only issue I have here is that its a common belief that Defense is effort and Offense is talent.  Im not saying I agree with it but that may be why people think Nash isnt giving the effort but perk is.
I think that's a good way of putting my thoughts on Nash and his defense. TP

Re: Carmelo Anthony Should Take a Lesson From Steve Nash
« Reply #76 on: December 21, 2010, 04:24:45 PM »

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The only issue I have here is that its a common belief that Defense is effort and Offense is talent.  Im not saying I agree with it but that may be why people think Nash isnt giving the effort but perk is.
I think that's a good way of putting my thoughts on Nash and his defense. TP

Yeah, see, I think it is just that Nash has no lateral quickness.  Especially when I watch someone like Rondo getting constantly burned, I can't blame Nash too much for not stopping these guys. 

Re: Carmelo Anthony Should Take a Lesson From Steve Nash
« Reply #77 on: December 21, 2010, 04:38:49 PM »

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Suns just cut Earl Barron, giving them 2 empty roster spots.

Just sayin....

Re: Carmelo Anthony Should Take a Lesson From Steve Nash
« Reply #78 on: December 21, 2010, 04:52:05 PM »

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Steve Nash doesn't care about winning. It's not important enough to him.

Completely agree.  If Nash cared about winning, he'd make an effort at both ends of the court.
By that logic Perkins doesn't care about winning since he's a bad offensive player. I mean if he cared he'd try not to turn it over so much or bobble passes for easy dunks.

*insert Rondo with ft issues*,
*insert Dwight Howard with ft issues*
etc...

All the effort in the world doesn't change things sometimes.

There is no logic to that argument since Perkins' improving game offensively reflects his effort to improve.  His FG percentage reflects his knowledge of his limitations.  The same can be said for Howard.  Rondo, Howard, and Perk have improved every season offensively and defensively.

Nash shows no effort whatsoever on the defensive end and never has. If anything, he's regressed defensively...If that's possible.  His team doesn't win when the playoffs come around because his team is always playing shorthanded defensively.  With the kinds of instincts / skills Nash has offensively, you'd think he'd play Iversonesque defense from time to time and at least occasionally cheat a passing lane.  They can build any team around him they want.  It's not going to net him a championship because the good teams will exploit the defensive liability that Nash is.

The snitchster makes a pedestrian effort defensively.  He's much better defensively than he was when he came into the league.  While I'm no fan of Anthony, I see him making the same effort every game in spite of the distractions.  At least he's not overtly tanking for a trade ala Tank Carter, Iverson and McGrady.

Pertaining to Los Nash running his mouth about our country....Perhaps he ought to become a citizen so he actually affect some kind of change in the voting booth instead of the cowardly way he does it now.  I'd have no problem with him expressing his views in Canada.




But Perkins is still bad offensively, so clearly he's not "trying hard enough". If you'd apply the same lens to players you don't dislike for apparent issues outside of basketball.

I think Nash gives effort on defensive end, he's just a bad defender. I actually rate him better defensively overall than Iverson, because he'll at least try and rotate within the schemes. Nash over helps at times, but he's not gambling recklessly like Iverson.

With regards to his political statements, citizenship isn't required with regards to the first amendment or political activism. And our country is better for it on both counts, especially when conducted with class like Nash has.

If it were horse or 6-man basketball that some small school Iowa high school girls play, I'd love Nash's game.  He could play offense only and he'd be devastating....Sort of like now.  The reality is that he is exposed defensively by even pedestrian PGS and exploited defensively in the playoffs.  Comparing him to Perkins, who has improved markedly in every way since he came into the NBA...Who actually not only defends, but prides himself on it...No comparison.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the class part.  A person can say classless, ignorant things in a classy way, I guess.  Nash does that very well.  As a foreign national who reaps the benefits and then trashes that country with "class", I don't find him much different than Hugo Chavez....Or to be more on topic, Vincente Fox.


 




Re: Carmelo Anthony Should Take a Lesson From Steve Nash
« Reply #79 on: December 21, 2010, 04:54:20 PM »

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The only issue I have here is that its a common belief that Defense is effort and Offense is talent.  Im not saying I agree with it but that may be why people think Nash isnt giving the effort but perk is.
I think that's a good way of putting my thoughts on Nash and his defense. TP

Yeah, see, I think it is just that Nash has no lateral quickness.  Especially when I watch someone like Rondo getting constantly burned, I can't blame Nash too much for not stopping these guys. 
Rondo gets burned because his fundamentals are bad (he doesn't square his man) and he gambles. But the net effect of Rondo is plus defensively, and when you have Perk and Garnett behind you, that's not a bad gamble a lot of the time. He also competes hard on D.

Nash has plenty of lateral quickness on offense... I think he's a take blow on D so I'm ready to burn on O kind of guy.

And +1 for NBA players trashing the US irking me.

Re: Carmelo Anthony Should Take a Lesson From Steve Nash
« Reply #80 on: December 21, 2010, 05:43:14 PM »

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The only issue I have here is that its a common belief that Defense is effort and Offense is talent.  Im not saying I agree with it but that may be why people think Nash isnt giving the effort but perk is.
I think that's a good way of putting my thoughts on Nash and his defense. TP

Yeah, see, I think it is just that Nash has no lateral quickness.  Especially when I watch someone like Rondo getting constantly burned, I can't blame Nash too much for not stopping these guys. 

  Rondo doesn't constantly get burned. Most of the time players call for a big to come out and set a pick to get around him.

Re: Carmelo Anthony Should Take a Lesson From Steve Nash
« Reply #81 on: December 21, 2010, 08:10:33 PM »

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The only issue I have here is that its a common belief that Defense is effort and Offense is talent.  Im not saying I agree with it but that may be why people think Nash isnt giving the effort but perk is.
I think that's a good way of putting my thoughts on Nash and his defense. TP

Yeah, see, I think it is just that Nash has no lateral quickness.  Especially when I watch someone like Rondo getting constantly burned, I can't blame Nash too much for not stopping these guys. 

  Rondo doesn't constantly get burned. Most of the time players call for a big to come out and set a pick to get around him.

He gets burned way more than he should with his skills.  And generally he gets burned much more by no name guys, and somehow locks down against guys like Chris Paul and Deron Williams.  Funny how that happens...

Re: Carmelo Anthony Should Take a Lesson From Steve Nash
« Reply #82 on: December 21, 2010, 08:28:15 PM »

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The only issue I have here is that its a common belief that Defense is effort and Offense is talent.  Im not saying I agree with it but that may be why people think Nash isnt giving the effort but perk is.
I think that's a good way of putting my thoughts on Nash and his defense. TP

Yeah, see, I think it is just that Nash has no lateral quickness.  Especially when I watch someone like Rondo getting constantly burned, I can't blame Nash too much for not stopping these guys. 

  Rondo doesn't constantly get burned. Most of the time players call for a big to come out and set a pick to get around him.

He gets burned way more than he should with his skills.  And generally he gets burned much more by no name guys, and somehow locks down against guys like Chris Paul and Deron Williams.  Funny how that happens...

  How much should he get burned with his skills? No matter how he does it's not good enough because with his skills he could do better. And how many no name point guards have been putting up big numbers against Rondo?

Re: Carmelo Anthony Should Take a Lesson From Steve Nash
« Reply #83 on: December 21, 2010, 08:58:44 PM »

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Loyalty should work both ways.

Nash has decided not to leave the franchise when their down, but if his basketball talents suddenly drops would the franchise do the same?

Re: Carmelo Anthony Should Take a Lesson From Steve Nash
« Reply #84 on: December 22, 2010, 06:20:42 AM »

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The only issue I have here is that its a common belief that Defense is effort and Offense is talent.  Im not saying I agree with it but that may be why people think Nash isnt giving the effort but perk is.
I think that's a good way of putting my thoughts on Nash and his defense. TP

Yeah, see, I think it is just that Nash has no lateral quickness.  Especially when I watch someone like Rondo getting constantly burned, I can't blame Nash too much for not stopping these guys. 

  Rondo doesn't constantly get burned. Most of the time players call for a big to come out and set a pick to get around him.

He gets burned way more than he should with his skills.  And generally he gets burned much more by no name guys, and somehow locks down against guys like Chris Paul and Deron Williams.  Funny how that happens...

I agree with you. I mean I love Rondo, but I think he's over-rated defensively because of his steal numbers. He never gets down in a defensive stance.

I wish I could just sit him down and watch tapes of Gary Payton for one day. And just say Rondo, get in a defensive stance, don't let your man go by so you can try to poke the ball away from behind, and just lock your man down and keep him in front of you. Watching the glove would go a long way for Rondo's D.

Re: Carmelo Anthony Should Take a Lesson From Steve Nash
« Reply #85 on: December 22, 2010, 08:30:20 AM »

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The only issue I have here is that its a common belief that Defense is effort and Offense is talent.  Im not saying I agree with it but that may be why people think Nash isnt giving the effort but perk is.
I think that's a good way of putting my thoughts on Nash and his defense. TP

Yeah, see, I think it is just that Nash has no lateral quickness.  Especially when I watch someone like Rondo getting constantly burned, I can't blame Nash too much for not stopping these guys. 

  Rondo doesn't constantly get burned. Most of the time players call for a big to come out and set a pick to get around him.

He gets burned way more than he should with his skills.  And generally he gets burned much more by no name guys, and somehow locks down against guys like Chris Paul and Deron Williams.  Funny how that happens...

I agree with you. I mean I love Rondo, but I think he's over-rated defensively because of his steal numbers. He never gets down in a defensive stance.

I wish I could just sit him down and watch tapes of Gary Payton for one day. And just say Rondo, get in a defensive stance, don't let your man go by so you can try to poke the ball away from behind, and just lock your man down and keep him in front of you. Watching the glove would go a long way for Rondo's D.

  I could see Rondo being over-rated on blogs, but does that over-rating extend to nba gms or the coaches that Rondo goes up against? Because they seem to think pretty highly of his defense. Also, if you sat him down to watch Payton play defense, he'd probably have you pull up a chair next to him and explain how much more Payton was allowed to use his hands than point guards are now.