Ongoing NFL draft chat

[Rondo2287]

I kinda loved the way Tyrod Taylor looked last night. Sorta like a mini-Vick.  Definitely a different type of player from Hoyer. Athletic enough to give you something different even if he's not a great QB.  Hopefully a very very good wildcat QB.

Tyrod Taylor is not an NFL QB.  Maybe he can be a slot reciever or something, but his arm is nowhere near accurate enough, and he has no pocket presence.

Andrew Luck on the other hand looks like the best QB prospect I have ever seen in college.  He has the size, fluid mobility in and out of the pocket (as well as awareness of where the pressure is coming from), lightning quick release, and pinpoint accuracy.  He hits every checkmark.  I can't think of any QB coming out of college with a more complete skillset.

Matt Ryan was a better college QB, Just sayin...

[Chris]

I kinda loved the way Tyrod Taylor looked last night. Sorta like a mini-Vick.  Definitely a different type of player from Hoyer. Athletic enough to give you something different even if he's not a great QB.  Hopefully a very very good wildcat QB.

Tyrod Taylor is not an NFL QB.  Maybe he can be a slot reciever or something, but his arm is nowhere near accurate enough, and he has no pocket presence.

Andrew Luck on the other hand looks like the best QB prospect I have ever seen in college.  He has the size, fluid mobility in and out of the pocket (as well as awareness of where the pressure is coming from), lightning quick release, and pinpoint accuracy.  He hits every checkmark.  I can't think of any QB coming out of college with a more complete skillset.

Matt Ryan was a better college QB, Just sayin...

I am not talking about how they played in college, I am talking about showing the complete package for the NFL.  Ryan did not have the mobility and ability to throw accurately on the run to the level that Luck has. 

[Rondo2287]

I kinda loved the way Tyrod Taylor looked last night. Sorta like a mini-Vick.  Definitely a different type of player from Hoyer. Athletic enough to give you something different even if he's not a great QB.  Hopefully a very very good wildcat QB.

Tyrod Taylor is not an NFL QB.  Maybe he can be a slot reciever or something, but his arm is nowhere near accurate enough, and he has no pocket presence.

Andrew Luck on the other hand looks like the best QB prospect I have ever seen in college.  He has the size, fluid mobility in and out of the pocket (as well as awareness of where the pressure is coming from), lightning quick release, and pinpoint accuracy.  He hits every checkmark.  I can't think of any QB coming out of college with a more complete skillset.

Matt Ryan was a better college QB, Just sayin...

I am not talking about how they played in college, I am talking about showing the complete package for the NFL.  Ryan did not have the mobility and ability to throw accurately on the run to the level that Luck has. 

What? Im at work and cant get to youtube, but the last minute drive against VT his senior year he didnt throw from the pocket once.  He was constantly scrambling and throwing on the run.  Matt Ryan was the better overall packagage coming out of college, and that includes intangibles.  Luck is very good and deserves to go number 1 but Ryan was better coming out of college.

[Chris]

I kinda loved the way Tyrod Taylor looked last night. Sorta like a mini-Vick.  Definitely a different type of player from Hoyer. Athletic enough to give you something different even if he's not a great QB.  Hopefully a very very good wildcat QB.

Tyrod Taylor is not an NFL QB.  Maybe he can be a slot reciever or something, but his arm is nowhere near accurate enough, and he has no pocket presence.

Andrew Luck on the other hand looks like the best QB prospect I have ever seen in college.  He has the size, fluid mobility in and out of the pocket (as well as awareness of where the pressure is coming from), lightning quick release, and pinpoint accuracy.  He hits every checkmark.  I can't think of any QB coming out of college with a more complete skillset.

Matt Ryan was a better college QB, Just sayin...

I am not talking about how they played in college, I am talking about showing the complete package for the NFL.  Ryan did not have the mobility and ability to throw accurately on the run to the level that Luck has. 

What? Im at work and cant get to youtube, but the last minute drive against VT his senior year he didnt throw from the pocket once.  He was constantly scrambling and throwing on the run.  Matt Ryan was the better overall packagage coming out of college, and that includes intangibles.  Luck is very good and deserves to go number 1 but Ryan was better coming out of college.

Agree to disagree.  I remember that drive well, and while Ryan did a nice job scrambling and throwing the ball, he was not hitting guys in stride, and he was not throwing on the run.  He would scramble, set his feet, and throw to a receiver that was breaking off his routes.  Luck on the other hand can run naked boot legs, and hit guys perfectly in stride while he is running.  I have seen that from very few guys since Elway and Young. 

[Rondo2287]

I kinda loved the way Tyrod Taylor looked last night. Sorta like a mini-Vick.  Definitely a different type of player from Hoyer. Athletic enough to give you something different even if he's not a great QB.  Hopefully a very very good wildcat QB.

Tyrod Taylor is not an NFL QB.  Maybe he can be a slot reciever or something, but his arm is nowhere near accurate enough, and he has no pocket presence.

Andrew Luck on the other hand looks like the best QB prospect I have ever seen in college.  He has the size, fluid mobility in and out of the pocket (as well as awareness of where the pressure is coming from), lightning quick release, and pinpoint accuracy.  He hits every checkmark.  I can't think of any QB coming out of college with a more complete skillset.

Matt Ryan was a better college QB, Just sayin...

I am not talking about how they played in college, I am talking about showing the complete package for the NFL.  Ryan did not have the mobility and ability to throw accurately on the run to the level that Luck has. 

What? Im at work and cant get to youtube, but the last minute drive against VT his senior year he didnt throw from the pocket once.  He was constantly scrambling and throwing on the run.  Matt Ryan was the better overall packagage coming out of college, and that includes intangibles.  Luck is very good and deserves to go number 1 but Ryan was better coming out of college.

Agree to disagree.  I remember that drive well, and while Ryan did a nice job scrambling and throwing the ball, he was not hitting guys in stride, and he was not throwing on the run.  He would scramble, set his feet, and throw to a receiver that was breaking off his routes.  Luck on the other hand can run naked boot legs, and hit guys perfectly in stride while he is running.  I have seen that from very few guys since Elway and Young. 

I just remember the final pass of the drive throwing across his body hitting a sliding running back perfectly in stride in the other corner of the endzone. 

Course by the same token, isnt the ability to feel pressure, escape it, reset your body and hit receivers the more valued skill in the NFL. 

[Rondo2287]

Also something I was thinking about today.  Do we think the Dolphins are regretting their move to take Jake Long Number 1 overall?  Sure he has been solid, but I think they would be much better than they are now with Matty Ice and an average left tackle.

Sorry, Solid is an understatment for Long, he is Elite at his position.

[dpaps]

My dream pats draft, if they pick where they are currently sitting, which of course will not happen.

6 picks in the first 3 rounds. I'd like a rushing OLB, a DL, two OL, a CB, and a WR.

Pick 17 = Julio Jones, he is projected to be available right around this area. I think the guy is an absolute beast, he's tough, he plays injured, and he would automatically step in and be our #1 WR. Not ahead of Welker, but welker plays the slot. He'd jump Tate, Branch would be opposite him #2.

#32 & #33 = Best OL and OLB available. Pouncey, Castonzo, Carimi, Justin Houston, Ijalana, Let's say we get Houston and Carimi.

#64 = OL,  DL or CB, Marvin Austin (DL, UNC)

#74 = OL or CB, Rashard Carmichael ( CB, VT)

#96 = OL, Jason Pinkston (OL, Pitt)


Our offense would be unstoppable. Adding 2 stud offensive lineman just gives us depth and solidifies the talent for years to come (I really hope Mankins comes back, I think we franchise him if there's no agreement). I like BJGE and Woody at RB, we add another RB in the later rounds of the draft. TE is absolutely set for a decade with Gronk and Hernandez. And now Brady adds a premier talent in Julio Jones to stretch the field with Branch, Welker, Tate, and Price. Wow.

We get Ty Warren and Leigh Bodden back on D (These would be two huge off season pickups normally, we get them back from the IR).

DL = Wilfork, Warren, Marvin Austin, Wright, Moore, Brace

LB = Mayo, Spikes, Cunningham, Houston, Ninkovich, Fletcher, Banta Cain

CB = Mccourty, Bodden, Aarington, Butler, Carmichael

S = Chung, Meriweather, Sanders, Mcgowan

Special Teams = Mesko, Gostkowski, Katula (LS)

With our young defense getting better with age and experience, and adding more top tier talent, this team is gonna be much better in the next few years than it is right now, and that's really saying something. The future sure is bright for the Pats.

[Eja117]

Also something I was thinking about today.  Do we think the Dolphins are regretting their move to take Jake Long Number 1 overall?  Sure he has been solid, but I think they would be much better than they are now with Matty Ice and an average left tackle.

Sorry, Solid is an understatment for Long, he is Elite at his position.

Yeah, but what helps your team more? An elite Qb or elite OT.

Who's the LT for the Falcons?  Who cares?  That's my point

[Chris]

Also something I was thinking about today.  Do we think the Dolphins are regretting their move to take Jake Long Number 1 overall?  Sure he has been solid, but I think they would be much better than they are now with Matty Ice and an average left tackle.

Sorry, Solid is an understatment for Long, he is Elite at his position.

Yeah, but what helps your team more? An elite Qb or elite OT.

Who's the LT for the Falcons?  Who cares?  That's my point

Absolutely.  But the reason you take a Tackle instead of a QB is because you are not convinced the QB is going to be truly elite.  Elite tackles are much easier to predict in the top 5 picks than elite QB's.  Matt Ryan still had some questions coming out of school.  He was the best QB in the class, but not many people predicted he would be this good this fast. 

[Eja117]

Also something I was thinking about today.  Do we think the Dolphins are regretting their move to take Jake Long Number 1 overall?  Sure he has been solid, but I think they would be much better than they are now with Matty Ice and an average left tackle.

Sorry, Solid is an understatment for Long, he is Elite at his position.

Yeah, but what helps your team more? An elite Qb or elite OT.

Who's the LT for the Falcons?  Who cares?  That's my point

Absolutely.  But the reason you take a Tackle instead of a QB is because you are not convinced the QB is going to be truly elite.  Elite tackles are much easier to predict in the top 5 picks than elite QB's.  Matt Ryan still had some questions coming out of school.  He was the best QB in the class, but not many people predicted he would be this good this fast. 

I see what you mean but I'd rather miss on a Matt Ryan than a Robert Gallery.

I think the worst thing is when you're QB is good, but not great like maybe Jay Cutler.

[Donoghus]

Also something I was thinking about today.  Do we think the Dolphins are regretting their move to take Jake Long Number 1 overall?  Sure he has been solid, but I think they would be much better than they are now with Matty Ice and an average left tackle.

Sorry, Solid is an understatment for Long, he is Elite at his position.

Yeah, but what helps your team more? An elite Qb or elite OT.

Who's the LT for the Falcons?  Who cares?  That's my point

Absolutely.  But the reason you take a Tackle instead of a QB is because you are not convinced the QB is going to be truly elite.  Elite tackles are much easier to predict in the top 5 picks than elite QB's.  Matt Ryan still had some questions coming out of school.  He was the best QB in the class, but not many people predicted he would be this good this fast. 

I see what you mean but I'd rather miss on a Matt Ryan than a Robert Gallery.

I think the worst thing is when you're QB is good, but not great like maybe Jay Cutler.

If you miss on a Top 5 QB, that sets your franchise back years.  Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Tim Couch, Joey Harrington, Jamarcus Russell.  The amount of money and time you dump into a guy expecting him to be a franchise quarterback and not having him pan out costs teams dearly.  Its the single most important position on the football field.  You swing and miss there and there are some serious problems.  Look at some of the quarterbacks being trotted out there these days.  There simply aren't a lot of good quarterbacks out there. 

If you miss on a Top 5 LT, its not necessarily the end of the world for an organization.  Teams seem to be much better being able to compensate for a deficiency at LT.  You can move guys around from left to right, guard to tackle, etc.  Still manage to throw someone competent at the position.

[boscel33]

in past years, bb has traded out of the first round due to the $.  i think this year, if they get the rookie salary scale, he keeps both picks.  i believe he will go a pass rusher with the first and an o-lineman with the second.  one name i've seen on a couple of mocks to keep an eye on in th 4/5 round area is stanzi from iowa.  that would be interesting!

[Donoghus]

in past years, bb has traded out of the first round due to the $.  i think this year, if they get the rookie salary scale, he keeps both picks.  i believe he will go a pass rusher with the first and an o-lineman with the second.  one name i've seen on a couple of mocks to keep an eye on in th 4/5 round area is stanzi from iowa.  that would be interesting!

I don't think they'll be a rookie salary scale in place when this year's draft rolls around.  I believe its the last firm item on the NFL calendar right before many believe a lockout will go down.   I think all 32 teams will be going into this draft blind in regards to what future rookie compensation will look like. 

So unless a new labor agreement is in place before the draft (doubtful), teams won't know what the future holds for rookie compensation.

[Rondo2287]

I kinda loved the way Tyrod Taylor looked last night. Sorta like a mini-Vick.  Definitely a different type of player from Hoyer. Athletic enough to give you something different even if he's not a great QB.  Hopefully a very very good wildcat QB.

Tyrod Taylor is not an NFL QB.  Maybe he can be a slot reciever or something, but his arm is nowhere near accurate enough, and he has no pocket presence.

Andrew Luck on the other hand looks like the best QB prospect I have ever seen in college.  He has the size, fluid mobility in and out of the pocket (as well as awareness of where the pressure is coming from), lightning quick release, and pinpoint accuracy.  He hits every checkmark.  I can't think of any QB coming out of college with a more complete skillset.

Matt Ryan was a better college QB, Just sayin...

I am not talking about how they played in college, I am talking about showing the complete package for the NFL.  Ryan did not have the mobility and ability to throw accurately on the run to the level that Luck has. 

What? Im at work and cant get to youtube, but the last minute drive against VT his senior year he didnt throw from the pocket once.  He was constantly scrambling and throwing on the run.  Matt Ryan was the better overall packagage coming out of college, and that includes intangibles.  Luck is very good and deserves to go number 1 but Ryan was better coming out of college.

Agree to disagree.  I remember that drive well, and while Ryan did a nice job scrambling and throwing the ball, he was not hitting guys in stride, and he was not throwing on the run.  He would scramble, set his feet, and throw to a receiver that was breaking off his routes.  Luck on the other hand can run naked boot legs, and hit guys perfectly in stride while he is running.  I have seen that from very few guys since Elway and Young. 

I just remember the final pass of the drive throwing across his body hitting a sliding running back perfectly in stride in the other corner of the endzone. 

Course by the same token, isnt the ability to feel pressure, escape it, reset your body and hit receivers the more valued skill in the NFL. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHLzF2YcApE

Still gives me goosebumps

[jr_3421]

I just posted this in another blog. I know we going to trade some picks but since I can't predict that, here is whoI want in the draft.

1st Round

17. Cameron Jordan DE, Cal
32. Stefen Wisniewski C, Penn St

2nd Round

33. Rodney Hudson OG, FSU
64. Jeremy Beal OLB, OU

3rd Round

74. Titus Young WR, BSU
96. Johnny Patrick CB, Lousiville