Harangody is trash... waste of a signing, but we all knew it was coming. Career D-Leaguer maybe a 10th player on the bench nothing special. Definitely an improvement over Scalabrine though as the customary roster token.
I hope Sims beasts in training camp and steals the spot away from him
Do you think that we are going to be able to sign 15 starters to play for us?! Don't you think that we need role players? Bench guys? What do you think BBD is? He's a career bench player. At best a team is going to have 7-8 "starter caliber" players. Then a handful of career bench guys. Then a couple of "upside" guys. Harangody has upside. He could move into that productive career bench mode very easily. He even has a chance of being a borderline starter. He did put up some huge numbers in a tough conference. He came into the summer league and put up great stats against some good competition. To say the guy has no upside is pretty ridiculous.
When did i ever say we were gonna sign 15 starters. I'm not one of those idiots trying to trade for Caron Butler or JR Smith to be the solution to our back up wing hole. Harangody does not have upside. If he did he would have been drafted a lot earlier given his college resume. The whole entire draft is based on upside and potential. His best case scenario is a below average Austin Croshere. I would give 50-1 odds that and put up a significant amount of money that Harangody will never be a "borderline starter"
Harangody was great in college and was also the very good in summer league however, this does not in anyway transfer to the NBA. Would it not make sense that he would put up very good numbers against the same players he was beating up on during his 4 years at ND??? The summer league means almost nothing. During training camp means a lot more than summer camp.
I see. So BBD had no upside whatsoever since he was drafted in the second round. Neither did Ryan Gomes. Neither did Michael Redd, or Rashard Lewis, or Manu Ginobli, or Carlos Boozer or Gilbert Arenas….
All second round picks have some limitation. Otherwise they'd be lottery picks. Using your theory about playing well against college players and summer league guys not translating, how exactly would you like to judge a players likely success?! His favorite color? How he cuts his hair?
Do you really want to peddle that nonsense that obviously comes from some personal bias against him? Be serious!
I never said 2nd rounders couldn't have upside. All I said were that Hansbrough doesn't, and if he does it doesn't account to much. All of the underclassmen and internationals selected in the second round are based on upside i.e. Bill Walker. It is extremely extremely rare that a 4-year senior gets drafted and amounts to something that late especially when they have limitations Harangody has.
Glen Davis was scouted by many teams and received many first round grades if you remember he was expected to go in the 20-30 range. He was drafted 32nd??? He was two spots away from being in the first round very similar to DeJuan Blair. Most people thought Harangody would go undrafted. There is a big difference between 32nd and 52nd. I love Gomes but he did not have a lot of potential coming into the NBA, at the time no one though it was a bad pick because they knew he had the athletic ability to play two positions solidly and played the college game like a seasoned vet. Since 2000 only Gomes, Ramon Sessions, Kyle Korver, and Luis Scola (who was drafted in 2002 but came into the league in 2007) have done anything in the NBA. Harangody is most likely going to be the next Rick Rickert/Brandon Hunter than Luis Scola.
Lewis and Ginobili are different. For one Lewis came straight out of high-school and was expected to be a lottery pick. He was all upside and no substance. Ginobili was drafted to store away for few years... (he was drafted in 1999 and made his debut in 2002).
Arenas and Ginobili were both very high 2nd round picks if I remember correctly. Arenas fell because he was (and still is) highly erratic and Boozer because he was getting beat in the pre-draft camps. Michael Redd was first rounder and potential star at OSU his first two years, but killed his draft stock. He was also a completely different player in college then he is in the NBA. He completely reinvented himself, Rondo should do whatever Redd did in college right now it would help his shooting tremendously.
Not only all second rounders have limitations, basically, all picks do. The reason you don't judge it on summer league is because for the most part these are the same players they have been playing against for the last 3-4 years in college... The NBA game is totally different. Harangody should be putting up similar numbers in College to what he does in the summer league, it is the same talent just redistributed. He was also the best player on a team filled with low ceiling prospects and euro-vets and unknowns. It would have been disappointing if he didn't produce. You judge a players likely success based on their the attributes skill-set and those of the position the player plays. Harangody's best strength is his effort level and strength, while that is good it does not make up for his lack of athleticism ball-handling and length of which at least one is necessary to play the 3 or 4 position.
I may have personal bias towards him, however, it is better than having the green goggles that a lot of you guys seem to have. I think Stanley Robinson would have been the perfect fit.
Oh and Smitty, I know Tyler is not an athlete but when you compare the two it is night and day.
