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No.  I see Ray and KG's expiring contracts for Wade and Bosh.  Leave LeBron all by his lonesome.
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My guess on their numbers next season:

(1) Wade -- 26ppg, 6.5apg, 5rpg with very good to excellent defense
(2) Bosh -- 18ppg, 12rpg, 3apg with very good defense
(3) Bron -- 27ppg, 8apg, 7rpg with excellent defense

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My guess on their numbers next season:

(1) Wade -- 26ppg, 6.5apg, 5rpg with very good to excellent defense
(2) Bosh -- 18ppg, 12rpg, 3apg with very good defense
(3) Bron -- 27ppg, 8apg, 7rpg with excellent defense


What do you expect their shooting percentages to be because they'd have to be very good for them to average that many points together. 
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My guess on their numbers next season:

(1) Wade -- 26ppg, 6.5apg, 5rpg with very good to excellent defense
(2) Bosh -- 18ppg, 12rpg, 3apg with very good defense
(3) Bron -- 26ppg, 8apg, 7rpg with excellent defense


Bosh with good defense? I'm eager to see that. He's not a physical player and shies away from contact on defense. He also doesn't defend the rim , something you would expect him to excel at it given his length and athleticism.  His pedestrian 1 block a game is pretty good indicator of this.

Wade is defensively overrated due to highlight reel steals and blocks. I still see a player who gambles way too much, gets beat off the dribble more than he should, fails to fight through screens, and takes poor angles chasing shooters running off screens.

I have no arguments with James D. His on the ball D and help D is top notch.

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My guess on their numbers next season:

(1) Wade -- 26ppg, 6.5apg, 5rpg with very good to excellent defense
(2) Bosh -- 18ppg, 12rpg, 3apg with very good defense
(3) Bron -- 26ppg, 8apg, 7rpg with excellent defense


Bosh with good defense? I'm eager to see that. He's not a physical player and shies away from contact on defense. He also doesn't defend the rim , something you would expect him to excel at it given his length and athleticism.  His pedestrian 1 block a game is pretty good indicator of this.

Wade is defensively overrated due to highlight reel steals and blocks. I still see a player who gambles way too much, gets beat off the dribble more than he should, fails to fight through screens, and takes poor angles chasing shooters running off screens.

I have no arguments with James D. His on the ball D and help D is top notch.

With Bosh, I would not argue he is a great defender at all but I would say that he had very little help on the Raptors.  You're talking a team that started Bargani at C...  Unless you're a Dwight Howard type beast you're going to need help down low to tie up offensive players or make them take tough angles so you can provide shot blocking over the top on help.  I would not be surprised to see him be a lot better on defense on a better and defensive focused MIA team.  1 block a game is not that great obviously but it's not bad, and yes with better teamates I see him able to provide more defensive help blocking shots.

Wade and LeBron I think are both great permiter defenders and should only improve feeding off one another.  And both will crash down on help and provide some huge swats on unsespecting low post shooters.  I'm scared of them.
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My guess on their numbers next season:

(1) Wade -- 26ppg, 6.5apg, 5rpg with very good to excellent defense
(2) Bosh -- 18ppg, 12rpg, 3apg with very good defense
(3) Bron -- 27ppg, 8apg, 7rpg with excellent defense


What do you expect their shooting percentages to be because they'd have to be very good for them to average that many points together. 
I expect all of them to post FG% above 50% and true shooting percentages in the 60-64% range.

Those numbers are similar to what Bosh and LeBron posted last year. Bosh was 52% and 59% respectively. LeBron was 50% and 60%. Wade was 47.5% and 56%.

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My guess on their numbers next season:

(1) Wade -- 26ppg, 6.5apg, 5rpg with very good to excellent defense
(2) Bosh -- 18ppg, 12rpg, 3apg with very good defense
(3) Bron -- 27ppg, 8apg, 7rpg with excellent defense


What do you expect their shooting percentages to be because they'd have to be very good for them to average that many points together. 
I expect all of them to post FG% above 50% and true shooting percentages in the 60-64% range.

Those numbers are similar to what Bosh and LeBron posted last year. Bosh was 52% and 59% respectively. LeBron was 50% and 60%. Wade was 47.5% and 56%.

Bosh's points per game were way up last year than that, but they will drop.  I don't think LeCon and Wade will be able to average that many points together.  IMO if it works in Miami LeCon's scoring will go down and his other stats will go up so he will be real close to a triple double. I agree with you more so on the other numbers.
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My guess on their numbers next season:

(1) Wade -- 26ppg, 6.5apg, 5rpg with very good to excellent defense
(2) Bosh -- 18ppg, 12rpg, 3apg with very good defense
(3) Bron -- 26ppg, 8apg, 7rpg with excellent defense


Bosh with good defense? I'm eager to see that. He's not a physical player and shies away from contact on defense. He also doesn't defend the rim , something you would expect him to excel at it given his length and athleticism.  His pedestrian 1 block a game is pretty good indicator of this.

Wade is defensively overrated due to highlight reel steals and blocks. I still see a player who gambles way too much, gets beat off the dribble more than he should, fails to fight through screens, and takes poor angles chasing shooters running off screens.

I have no arguments with James D. His on the ball D and help D is top notch.
I am expecting Chris Bosh to blossom defensively while playing on a team like the Miami Heat.

I think his defensive play has been held back in a major way by playing on weak defensive teams in Toronto for so long. I've always thought he'd improve considerably the minute he landed on a defensive minded team and was playing alongside quality defensive players. Also, the reduced offensive responsibilities will give him more energy to expand on the defensive end than ever before. Similar to when he was with Team USA.

Chris Bosh will still be a finesse defender. That limitation will always hold him back from being an All-League defender ... but he has a good understanding of positioning and angles, reads the game well, makes good defensive rotations, is a willing defender with good quickness and mobility who can cover the pick and roll and gets back well in transition.

I'm expecting a 7.5 out of 10 type defensive performance from Bosh.

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No chance. I believe they all have the option to opt out after/in their 4th year, which at least one of them will no doubt do.

In 3.5 years when LeBron still doesn't have any rings he'll demand the spotlight for another over-hyped dramatic free agency decision.

IMHO if the Heat are asking Bosh to play the Center position he is likely to get hurt.

I don't think the big 3 in Miami will ever have a strong enough supporting cast to withstand the injury bug, which affects every team in the NBA at some point during an 82-game season + playoffs.
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No chance. I believe they all have the option to opt out after/in their 4th year, which at least one of them will no doubt do.

In 3.5 years when LeBron still doesn't have any rings he'll demand the spotlight for another over-hyped dramatic free agency decision.

IMHO if the Heat are asking Bosh to play the Center position he is likely to get hurt.

I don't think the big 3 in Miami will ever have a strong enough supporting cast to withstand the injury bug, which affects every team in the NBA at some point during an 82-game season + playoffs.

I am pretty confident MIA will have a title in 3 years.  Bosh will not be asked to play center unless it's viable.  Against Howard he will not, but they can absolutely run small ball with Bosh at C against plenty of NBA teams and run them off the floor.

As for injuries, that could obviously throw a wrench in the plans, but that's unpredictable.  Perkin's injury cost us the title in game 6.  These things happen, so we'll see, but one thing MIA absolutely has going for it is that Wade and LBJ all carried teams with pretty mediocre supporting casts to the playoffs (in LBJ's case 60 wins twice) so even if one went down for a while they would not be screwed.  In the playoffs it's different, but talking regular season here.

Also, I think the supporting cast for MIA is shaping up well already and will continue to be solid.  Discounts on quality players will continue to occur.  Guys like Mike Miller will thrive on this team.
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My guess on their numbers next season:

(1) Wade -- 26ppg, 6.5apg, 5rpg with very good to excellent defense
(2) Bosh -- 18ppg, 12rpg, 3apg with very good defense
(3) Bron -- 26ppg, 8apg, 7rpg with excellent defense


Bosh with good defense? I'm eager to see that. He's not a physical player and shies away from contact on defense. He also doesn't defend the rim , something you would expect him to excel at it given his length and athleticism.  His pedestrian 1 block a game is pretty good indicator of this.

Wade is defensively overrated due to highlight reel steals and blocks. I still see a player who gambles way too much, gets beat off the dribble more than he should, fails to fight through screens, and takes poor angles chasing shooters running off screens.

I have no arguments with James D. His on the ball D and help D is top notch.
I am expecting Chris Bosh to blossom defensively while playing on a team like the Miami Heat.

I think his defensive play has been held back in a major way by playing on weak defensive teams in Toronto for so long. I've always thought he'd improve considerably the minute he landed on a defensive minded team and was playing alongside quality defensive players. Also, the reduced offensive responsibilities will give him more energy to expand on the defensive end than ever before. Similar to when he was with Team USA.

Chris Bosh will still be a finesse defender. That limitation will always hold him back from being an All-League defender ... but he has a good understanding of positioning and angles, reads the game well, makes good defensive rotations, is a willing defender with good quickness and mobility who can cover the pick and roll and gets back well in transition.

I'm expecting a 7.5 out of 10 type defensive performance from Bosh.

TP-You made a good case for him, but I just can't agree. Him publicly stating that he does NOT want to play the 5 really says a lot about him. I think you'll see the same old soft Bosh.

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No chance. I believe they all have the option to opt out after/in their 4th year, which at least one of them will no doubt do.

In 3.5 years when LeBron still doesn't have any rings he'll demand the spotlight for another over-hyped dramatic free agency decision.

IMHO if the Heat are asking Bosh to play the Center position he is likely to get hurt.

I don't think the big 3 in Miami will ever have a strong enough supporting cast to withstand the injury bug, which affects every team in the NBA at some point during an 82-game season + playoffs.

I am pretty confident MIA will have a title in 3 years.  Bosh will not be asked to play center unless it's viable.  Against Howard he will not, but they can absolutely run small ball with Bosh at C against plenty of NBA teams and run them off the floor.

As for injuries, that could obviously throw a wrench in the plans, but that's unpredictable.  Perkin's injury cost us the title in game 6.  These things happen, so we'll see, but one thing MIA absolutely has going for it is that Wade and LBJ all carried teams with pretty mediocre supporting casts to the playoffs (in LBJ's case 60 wins twice) so even if one went down for a while they would not be screwed.  In the playoffs it's different, but talking regular season here.

Also, I think the supporting cast for MIA is shaping up well already and will continue to be solid.  Discounts on quality players will continue to occur.  Guys like Mike Miller will thrive on this team.

You have only proven my points further....

Bosh WILL be asked to play center despite not being viable to play the position. He doesn't get excited to bang in the post because he is a face up 4 (who elects to settle for the jumper). His lack of interior presence/toughness will frustrate Wade/Lebron beyond belief and then it's onto the blame game.

Injuries are unpredictable? That's news to me. I"m pretty certain depth is so important for reasons beyond foul trouble, but in the NBA you simply have to account for injuries...otherwise you'll crumble down the stretch.

Winning 60 games in the regular season is MEANINGLESS. Regular season is an entirely different game than playoffs and last I checked you can't win a ring in the regular season. There is simply no point in talking about the success the Heat can have in the regular season as the point of their big 3 teaming up is to win Championships.

I question Mike Miller's competitive nature when it counts. He's never been praised as a defender of any caliber, and just because he can shoot the 3-ball doesn't equate to any type of assumed success for their team, at least IMHO.
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No chance. I believe they all have the option to opt out after/in their 4th year, which at least one of them will no doubt do.

In 3.5 years when LeBron still doesn't have any rings he'll demand the spotlight for another over-hyped dramatic free agency decision.

IMHO if the Heat are asking Bosh to play the Center position he is likely to get hurt.

I don't think the big 3 in Miami will ever have a strong enough supporting cast to withstand the injury bug, which affects every team in the NBA at some point during an 82-game season + playoffs.

I am pretty confident MIA will have a title in 3 years.  Bosh will not be asked to play center unless it's viable.  Against Howard he will not, but they can absolutely run small ball with Bosh at C against plenty of NBA teams and run them off the floor.

As for injuries, that could obviously throw a wrench in the plans, but that's unpredictable.  Perkin's injury cost us the title in game 6.  These things happen, so we'll see, but one thing MIA absolutely has going for it is that Wade and LBJ all carried teams with pretty mediocre supporting casts to the playoffs (in LBJ's case 60 wins twice) so even if one went down for a while they would not be screwed.  In the playoffs it's different, but talking regular season here.

Also, I think the supporting cast for MIA is shaping up well already and will continue to be solid.  Discounts on quality players will continue to occur.  Guys like Mike Miller will thrive on this team.

You have only proven my points further....

Bosh WILL be asked to play center despite not being viable to play the position. He doesn't get excited to bang in the post because he is a face up 4 (who elects to settle for the jumper). His lack of interior presence/toughness will frustrate Wade/Lebron beyond belief and then it's onto the blame game.

Injuries are unpredictable? That's news to me. I"m pretty certain depth is so important for reasons beyond foul trouble, but in the NBA you simply have to account for injuries...otherwise you'll crumble down the stretch.

Winning 60 games in the regular season is MEANINGLESS. Regular season is an entirely different game than playoffs and last I checked you can't win a ring in the regular season. There is simply no point in talking about the success the Heat can have in the regular season as the point of their big 3 teaming up is to win Championships.

I question Mike Miller's competitive nature when it counts. He's never been praised as a defender of any caliber, and just because he can shoot the 3-ball doesn't equate to any type of assumed success for their team, at least IMHO.

You obviously have you're own homer slant to everything.

1) Bosh will not be asked to play C against legit C's.  Guys like Perk and Howard I'm talking here, unless the Heat think they can really exploit that matchup and I doubt that happens consistently.  But I guess you have some inside to the Spolstra/Reilly camp where you know definitivley what they will do though...

2) Injuries may be inevitable but they are not predictable.  Use a dictionary my friend.

3) The point was not the 60 wins but the success of the team. The Cavs were a very good team that ran into a Celtics team playing outstanding D and pretty [dang] good O too. By no means were the Cavs a bad team.  Our great D exposed their flaws.  But now we are talking a team with Bosh plus Wade and LBJ, two guys who can carry a team.  LeBron made it to the finals before with a truly awful Cavs team and LBJ continues to improve as a player. Wade won his ring with Shaq and a pretty mediocre supporting cast and is better now. With all 3 of them they will guarenteed have playoff success.  They are too high caliber players to not.

4) Mike Miller is not that bad on D, and regardless he's not asked to be a great defender.  What is he asked to do? Shoot open 3's.  Mike shoots 40%+ and for a good part of this year shot 50%+ from three, which is insane.  Is he clutch?  Who knows, he never has really been called on.  Dude can play though.
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My guess on their numbers next season:

(1) Wade -- 26ppg, 6.5apg, 5rpg with very good to excellent defense
(2) Bosh -- 18ppg, 12rpg, 3apg with very good defense
(3) Bron -- 27ppg, 8apg, 7rpg with excellent defense


  These are close to the numbers Wade and James put up when they're ball dominant players with usage rates in the top 3 for the entire league. I don't see them putting up the same numbers playing together that they put up seperately.

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My guess on their numbers next season:

(1) Wade -- 26ppg, 6.5apg, 5rpg with very good to excellent defense
(2) Bosh -- 18ppg, 12rpg, 3apg with very good defense
(3) Bron -- 27ppg, 8apg, 7rpg with excellent defense


  These are close to the numbers Wade and James put up when they're ball dominant players with usage rates in the top 3 for the entire league. I don't see them putting up the same numbers playing together that they put up seperately.
I think Bosh is the player who is going to take most of the hit offensively.

A lower number of touches with a much larger proportion of his offense coming off of hustle plays (transition opportunities, offensive rebounds, cuts to the basket, drive and dumps by Wade/LeBron).

I think Wade and LeBron can maintain most of their offensive productivity while playing alongside one another with Bosh in this reduced role.