Confused By Danny's Picks

[Beat LA]

Willie Warren and Stanley Robinson were still on the board at 52 and Danny took Luke Harangody?  Really?  Two players projected to go as high as late first round and Danny took a guy who some thought might not be drafted at all?  A fat, undersized white PF?

Ugh...gonna need somebody to explain the reasoning behind both of the Celtics' picks for me.  I really just don't get it.

Ditto.  I couldn't believe that one, Willie Warren was available at 52, and two, that Danny didn't scoop him up.  He was clearly the best player available - regardless of whether he fits or not, you have to take him.

I wouldn't have touched Stanley Robinson with a ten foot pole.  I didn't watch alot of Uconn games, but when I did see him, all he did was dunk.  He's an athlete - not a basketball player.  I know this team needs athleticism and agility, but at the price of brains, I don't think so.  We sure don't need another Tony Allen out there.

Well, just because those guys have jobs don't mean they have a clue...

See: Larry Joe Bird

While I do agree on your first point, I don't agree with your second.  Yeah, Larry should have taken Blair instead of Hansborough last year, but I think that he hit a grand slam in the draft this year.  Paul George and Lance Stephenson - that's a great draft.  If we're going to talk about guys who don't have a clue, let's talk about Donny Walsh.  In consecutive picks he had the chance to take the two remaining lottery talents available in Willie Warren and hometown hero Lance Stephenson.  Lance would have at least brought more people to MSG and Warren could be an allstar as well.  Instead, he went with...Andy Rautins and Landry Fields?  What's up with that?  They really are putting all of their eggs in one basket with this free agency bonzana.  Regardless, good for Indiana.  The Pacers look like they have a bright future with Stephenson, George, Granger, and Hibbert - in addition to Psycho T.  Some think that if Lance played point, he would be a Tyreke Evans type of player.  All Larry has to do is keep the guys he has, develop the talent, and let the chips fall where they may.  BTW, was it Bird or was it Walsh that drafted Granger - I don't remember?

[hwangjini_1]

Ainge wasn't the only gm to pass on waren in the firs round. Perhaps some day Warren may prove them all wrong...

However, all the gms may have bee thinking along the lines of this info from draftexpress...

- Few players in recent memory have seen their NBA draft stock and overall reputation take as big of a hit as Willie Warren’s has this past season. Considered a likely top-10 pick had he elected to declare a year ago, Warren decided to stick around for another season and has seen his stock plummet to the point that it’s anyone’s guess where he might be picked at this point.

Some terrible losses early in the season, being benched in one game for undisclosed reasons, getting called out by his head coach in the national media at one point for his immature behavior, a nagging ankle injury that seemingly won’t heal, an untimely bout of mononucleosis–it’s tough to see how this season could have possibly gone any worse for the super talented sophomore. -
 

Toss in his 3.8 turn overs a game and his being a sg who is 6'2" and then at least we can see that the reasons for warren's fall from grace was not completely baseless.

He k, right about now I hope Luke makes the team just so we can see hi in the D league.

[Greenbean]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict none of the guys drafted from 50-60 ever play meaningful rotation minutes in the NBA.

To flip out at the 52nd pick in the draft is silly. You're lucky to get a rotation guy at 20, much less 50.

Seriously POS, maybe you should take a break from the Celts for a while. Everything you post lately just brings me down a bunch of notches. We are not even playing basketball right now. Can we speculate about anything without your bashing us over the head with impending doom posts?

Assuming you're speaking to me:

I'm having fun.  If you aren't, maybe you should take a break.

I took a break after the tough losses in game 6 and 7 myself.

But I don't think suggesting to other posters they "take a break" is a good idea. Tends to lead to flamewars.

Sorry you are probably right I was a little grumpy this morning. It just seems to me that Posmplous is angry at the Celtics for losing game 7 and is carrying his anger forward to everything else green related. Not really a big deal though. I just read a couple of his comments in different threads consecutively and over reacted.

It is a good discussion nonetheless and I actually also hate the Harangody pick myself only because I think he is an absolute bum.

[Greenbean]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict none of the guys drafted from 50-60 ever play meaningful rotation minutes in the NBA.

To flip out at the 52nd pick in the draft is silly. You're lucky to get a rotation guy at 20, much less 50.

Seriously POS, maybe you should take a break from the Celts for a while. Everything you post lately just brings me down a bunch of notches. We are not even playing basketball right now. Can we speculate about anything without your bashing us over the head with impending doom posts?

Excuse me? Presumably you're talking to someone else.

I really like the Bradley pick. And I'm counseling against doom and gloom.

Nope FG, I was directing that to the OP which was stupid of me to say in the first place. Sorry!

Note to self: Drink coffee BEFORE posting on CB

[Greenbean]

We as fans tend to look at the team as if there was no tomorrow, that's ok because we are fans.

The moves Danny made in the 2007 offseason brought a championship, and if the refs had called it right in the Orlando and LA series, we would be counting another one. The refs allowed Orlando to beat our players like if they were sparrings, and don't forget Artest injuring Ray and Co-b taking Perk out of the series. We can forget the bad calls in ticky-tacky fouls, but the way the refs disrespected the C's can not be forgotten. That's not a bad outcome for DA's trades. As some of you have pointed out in another thread, the Celtics didn't give that much, unfortunately for our former players.

But look at a bigger picture: in 2006 draft. Danny drafted the next Bob Cousy, and the original Cousy had to play a bunch of years for the C's before he got Russell and Tommy. That started the biggest dinasty.

I think Danny is working to get the next Russell, so you can consider the 17th banner a bonus, not an onus. I still don't get what can Harangody bring back in 2-3 years, and that's what confuses me the most. I don't see him as a future Celtic, nor a trade asset. But who knows... Avery Bradley has been drafted to see if he can be the next Darren Collison, so we have another good/great asset to get the Next Bill Russell, who can bring a big dinasty to the Celtics.

Hopefully some of the undrafted kids (Parakhouski, Zoubek and Radjulica for bigs, Torrance and Shved for guards) with good size, can be had for peanuts. The Rasheed retirement makes size a really big question for today, and I, as a fan, can't see a tomorrow. Get some size, Danny!!! 

Is this Tommy Heinshon?

Great post!

I just got giddy with the thought of somehow acquiring a great big man to pair with Rondo. TP for providing me with hope based on nothing but blind faith!

[dark_lord]

it is tough to truly analyze these picks, as there are so many other variables, leaving a domino effect for the team.  this is just one piece to a puzzle that wont be completed until the fall.  it will be interesting who comes back and what deals will be made. 

[Andy Jick]

if there was one draft to trade completely out of, it was this one.  outside of a small handful of picks, this whole draft sucked, especially the 2nd round.

[birdwatcher]

I would have at least traded down to second round and tried to sniff out some value. non guaranteed contracts is good for a team potentially over the cap if things don't pan out, and I'm okay with picking up a 3rd option at PG like Sherron Collins. He's a good shooter so at least we wouldn't totally fail in a half court offense when our vets aren't hitting...

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

I would have at least traded down to second round and tried to sniff out some value. non guaranteed contracts is good for a team potentially over the cap if things don't pan out, and I'm okay with picking up a 3rd option at PG like Sherron Collins. He's a good shooter so at least we wouldn't totally fail in a half court offense when our vets aren't hitting...

But you need another team to do that. A team that wants the #19 pick in a draft lacking depth. So The C's would have to throw something else in the deal, an expiring or something and they don't really have the chips, nor the incentive, to do so.

[housecall]

Willie Warren and Stanley Robinson were still on the board at 52 and Danny took Luke Harangody?  Really?  Two players projected to go as high as late first round and Danny took a guy who some thought might not be drafted at all?  A fat, undersized white PF?

Ugh...gonna need somebody to explain the reasoning behind both of the Celtics' picks for me.  I really just don't get it.

Im with you here,especially after the wasted time we just witness on JR GIddens&Billy Walker...by the way,just heard over weei radio Avery will need ankle surgery before the summer workouts.tp

Although its a long time to the beginning of the regular season,a lot can happen by that time.I hope Danny comes up with something better by the regular season.

[D Dub]

I wouldn't get too concerned about the rooks, they're likely just practice bodies anyways. 
Danny's offseason will be judged by the guys he picks up off the waiver wire.  There should be some decent talent available with every team dumping salary at will. 

[birdwatcher]

I would have at least traded down to second round and tried to sniff out some value. non guaranteed contracts is good for a team potentially over the cap if things don't pan out, and I'm okay with picking up a 3rd option at PG like Sherron Collins. He's a good shooter so at least we wouldn't totally fail in a half court offense when our vets aren't hitting...

But you need another team to do that. A team that wants the #19 pick in a draft lacking depth. So The C's would have to throw something else in the deal, an expiring or something and they don't really have the chips, nor the incentive, to do so.

The knicks didn't have a first rd pick but 2 second round picks. They wanted into the first but couldn't find anyone to trade with

[PosImpos]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict none of the guys drafted from 50-60 ever play meaningful rotation minutes in the NBA.

To flip out at the 52nd pick in the draft is silly. You're lucky to get a rotation guy at 20, much less 50.

Seriously POS, maybe you should take a break from the Celts for a while. Everything you post lately just brings me down a bunch of notches. We are not even playing basketball right now. Can we speculate about anything without your bashing us over the head with impending doom posts?

Assuming you're speaking to me:

I'm having fun.  If you aren't, maybe you should take a break.

I took a break after the tough losses in game 6 and 7 myself.

But I don't think suggesting to other posters they "take a break" is a good idea. Tends to lead to flamewars.

Sorry you are probably right I was a little grumpy this morning. It just seems to me that Posmplous is angry at the Celtics for losing game 7 and is carrying his anger forward to everything else green related. Not really a big deal though. I just read a couple of his comments in different threads consecutively and over reacted.

It is a good discussion nonetheless and I actually also hate the Harangody pick myself only because I think he is an absolute bum.

Only one who seems to be getting angry here is you, buddy.

I'm at peace with the game 7 loss and I'm looking towards the future of the C's and the NBA with as realistic an outlook as possible.  That's all.

[boscel33]

wonder what happened to scottie reynolds and can he be an undrafted free agent for us?

[aporel#18]

We as fans tend to look at the team as if there was no tomorrow, that's ok because we are fans.

The moves Danny made in the 2007 offseason brought a championship, and if the refs had called it right in the Orlando and LA series, we would be counting another one. The refs allowed Orlando to beat our players like if they were sparrings, and don't forget Artest injuring Ray and Co-b taking Perk out of the series. We can forget the bad calls in ticky-tacky fouls, but the way the refs disrespected the C's can not be forgotten. That's not a bad outcome for DA's trades. As some of you have pointed out in another thread, the Celtics didn't give that much, unfortunately for our former players.

But look at a bigger picture: in 2006 draft. Danny drafted the next Bob Cousy, and the original Cousy had to play a bunch of years for the C's before he got Russell and Tommy. That started the biggest dinasty.

I think Danny is working to get the next Russell, so you can consider the 17th banner a bonus, not an onus. I still don't get what can Harangody bring back in 2-3 years, and that's what confuses me the most. I don't see him as a future Celtic, nor a trade asset. But who knows... Avery Bradley has been drafted to see if he can be the next Darren Collison, so we have another good/great asset to get the Next Bill Russell, who can bring a big dinasty to the Celtics.

Hopefully some of the undrafted kids (Parakhouski, Zoubek and Radjulica for bigs, Torrance and Shved for guards) with good size, can be had for peanuts. The Rasheed retirement makes size a really big question for today, and I, as a fan, can't see a tomorrow. Get some size, Danny!!! 

Is this Tommy Heinshon?

Great post!

I just got giddy with the thought of somehow acquiring a great big man to pair with Rondo. TP for providing me with hope based on nothing but blind faith!

You just got a TP, so maybe you are right... 

Danny MUST have a plan, so I'm hoping at least is a good one. You can call it blind faith, or half-full glass thinking.